Forum:Where will we go?

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KrytenKoro - "I'm the doctor, I'm the patient. Don't forget that - it's important! If you love me like I love me, everybody will be sorry." TALK - Okay, this is crunch time people. We'll do this in two parts. We've all said our bit before, so it's decision time. Also, we NEED to contact bulbapedia, SmashWiki, and WoWWiki, and figure out how their situation is going.

Move or no?

This vote will be called on midnight of October 29. You are free to change your vote or abstain until then.

Move

1. (ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 14:30, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
2. Erry 14:39, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
3. 14:54, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
4. The17Master 15:01, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
5. --I'm so bored 15:05, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
6. [[ Soxra ]] 17:40, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
7. Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono 19:50, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
8. LapisLazuliScarab21:39, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
9. Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 21:42, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
10. ShardofTruth 21:52, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
11. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.
12. --Random!to a point! 22:40, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
13. BlackSoulBlade 22:48, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
14. ShadowsTwilight
15. Falcos 01:04, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Don't move

1. SeanWheeler 21:03, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
2. LightRoxas 21:09, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Where to?

This vote will be called on midnight of October 29
If you have other options, post them as a header with a link

ShoutWiki

• 14:55, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
• The17Master 15:14, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Wikkii

• (ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 14:30, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
• Erry 14:39, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
• maggosh 15:58, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
• While I think private hosting is the best option, it's not feasible for a community like this. [[ Soxra ]] 17:41, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
• BlackSoulBlade 22:49, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
• LapisLazuliScarab23:15, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
• Lapidothtill 23:19, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Private hosting

Please provide comments on your proposal

• Chitalian8
• I've already stated what I though would be optimum, through the utilization of MediaWiki. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

Discussion

We could move to another website altogether, like how wow.wikia.com moved to wowwiki.com. --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono 19:51, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, but do you have any details on how we'd do that?(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 20:49, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

No, I actually don't. I was thinking we could ask them how they did it, if I wasn't shot down. Sorry, that was just a suggestion :/ --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono 20:59, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Like I said [1] here, we could create our own website.Keyblade0

ShardofTruth Once you believe, truth and lie are quite the same thing. — 21:52, October 26, 2010 (UTC) Okay, we really need a discussion section on this page for constructive ideas and critism. At first I think every active Staff member should post his or her honest opinion on this matter, because they have the most influence (and control) on the wiki. Unspoken subjects will only cause bad blood, which is not needed in this situation. I for myself think that the current standard of the wiki can't be maintained with the coming changes nor be reobtained like Dragon Age wikia is trying to do, simply because essential customization is taken out of our hands. Bluerfn on the other hand thinks different about this, so I hope he will write something on this matter here. I didn't vote on a moving option yet, because I simply don't know which would be best. Were really need validated information on this topic. The reborn WoWWiki is hosted on Curse now, an option that is not open for us I think. We could cooperate with a Square Enix portal or a big role playing portal instead. But I don't have connections to any of them. All I heard from ShoutWiki is that they have only have a few servers which even caused crashs after popular wikis like the Simpsons moved. I don't know if that's true though. This thread of the Naruto wikia has some answers in regards of ShoutWiki. All in all I don't think ShoutWiki ist a good alternative at the moment. @Monobook skin: Will this skin really be available after Oasis is the only option and could we write a stylesheet for it?

KrytenKoro - Click TALK - I'm guessing nobody's contacted shoutwiki or wikkii yet. I have barely any internet access, so I can't do it; one of the other staff will need to. Please ask what would be entailed in moving, and what kind of setup they have (servers, customizing to monaco, etc.) There ARE a few things from Oasis that would be useful, like the features being recoded to be keyboard-only accessible. If we move, we need to have a project dedicated to suggesting helpful css features, and implementing them.

There is still Monobook after Monaco is gone. They are just keeping Monobook. If we move, we won't have Monaco because that is wikia exclusive. SeanWheeler 21:03, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

There has to be a way we can work it out without moving. LightRoxas 21:09, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

While polls (basically votes) don't solve jack, I still want the wiki to be a good place for readers, not for... wait, it's not really good for anyone... KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

Although they are keeping monobook, it will not be the automatic skin, so our pages would still look like shit. Monaco's features can almost certainly be replicated on any css we make.

Also, please don't place comments in the voting section. We've gone back and forth on thus forever without reaching consensus; we all know what each other will say. At this point, we need to be focusing on how we proceed from our discussions.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 22:37, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, 1, ShoutWiki loads like crap. Not good. Wikii or whatever may be fine, but, as Shard said above, it may be lacking that ability to customize. And second, what would happen to kingdomhearts.wikia.com? If we were to delete all articles and images on the site, Wikia would see it was vandalism and revert everything back to life, which, would, in effect, create two Kingdom Hearts wikis, and as mentioned before in another thread by Kryten, Google and other search engines will tend to side with Wikia and Wikipedia. That solves nothing. What the hell are we going to do? If we are voting, wouldn't it be better to give the staff the ability to vote twice, thus doubling thier power? Two votes for ShoutWiki is better than one. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

We wouldn't delete anything. This wiki would still exist, and it would still be open for anyone to edit. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 22:49, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

To clarify, google will side with wikia originally, but as we continue to edit at the new address, and this one continues to stagnate, we will begin getting top billing again. Also, I think Shard was talking about Oasis lacking the ability to customize, since wikkii lets you do whatever you want to your wikis, for free.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 23:12, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly my point. Even if we all leave, a whole new batch of users will take over. Eventually, they will adopt an order that will keep this place running, so, in other words, they will be on par with us... if we move. oh, and could a staff member sticky this thread, please? Oh, and Kryten, can you define "whatever you want", please. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

Unlikely. We are the ones who keep the wiki running so fast - if the current community leaves, it is highly unlikely that anyone who moves in will be anywhere near as driven as us. After all, if they were such hard workers, they'd be here already, wouldn't they?(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 23:35, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

wikkii: [2], [3], [4], [5].

I am seeing a significant problem in interwiki linking. This could be solved in several ways, if wikkii remained unwilling to add the entries to the interwiki database (don't know why they wouldn't, though) -

• Create a Template:w that replaced the [[wikipedia:X|X]] with {{w|X}}, and design a bot with a task being to add that everywhere.
• Do the same without a bot.
• Replace all the interwiki links with direct html links, with or without a bot.

I'd much prefer that they edit the interwiki database, though, since that seems much, much quicker.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 23:35, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Eh. Reading through some of their tech support forums (granted, they are a year old), it is starting to look like wikkii might be lacking quite a few features that we require simply to function as we do now. We really need a staff member to contact them and see what they have working. Specifically, remember to ask about favicon, interwiki linking, checkuser, allowing edits from ips and allowing editors to register, uploading images, uploading .ogg, .gif, .png, full wiki backups, namespaces, etc. This is beginning to look far inferior to anything could put up ourselves, despite what they advertise.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 23:35, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Followup: It seems that most of these features can be reenabled if we upgrade to Advanced Hosting. (Rules) We would need someone code literate to handle things, though, and we'd have to wait until we'd been there for a month to upgrade.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 23:39, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

One question about Shoutwiki and Wikii, will our editcounts be reset? I hope this doesn't make me seem like a person that cares too much about editcount, but I'm still curious about it. Chitalian8

@Inexistent: Well, that's certainly a risk. We are basically assuming that as a community that's been established we'd do a better job at adding content, staying up to date, etc, and that we'd stand above anyone who takes over here. It's possible that won't be the case, but it'll still be easier for us to do our business somewhere else. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 23:27, October 26, 2010 (UTC)