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Mysterious Tower Battle Music BBS

Can Anyone Post the batte music "Working Together" From Birth By Sleep? Not the Kingdom Hearts II Version.

No KH3, fansites mistranslated again:

Game Informer 207;

• Bryan Vore: "Translations of your interview in the Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep Ultimania seem to confirm that Kingdom Hearts III is coming along with two other games."
• Tetsuya Nomura: "Kingdom Hearts III is not a confirmed titles. I actually phrased my answer for the Ultimania "two titles other than III" to avoid speculation that we were working on Kingdom Hearts III."
• Bryan Vore: "Are there any hints you can provide about these games?"
• Tetsuya Nomura: "Hints would give away too much, and for Kingdom Hearts we're contractually obligated to keep any information that has not been officially released under wraps. However, I can say one of the two projects mentioned above came into existence because we wanted to do something for the North American fans, so we'll be announcing it at E3."

RE: your galleries

I notice at:

http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Sora#Forms/Costumes

The galleries are normal. As you may or may not know, they really messed up the galleries, causing a lot of frustration and anger. See:

http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sarah_Manley/Design_your_own_photo_galleries

An editor wrote:

I checked with the custom CSSs and KHWiki do not have one. Everyone else who's dissatisfied can check and see one of the example pages, because Wikia seems to have overlook this.

I wish to highlight that one of the Wikis, the Kingdom Hearts Wiki apparently managed to keep their old Wikipedia-style Gallery intact. How can they not be affected?

So how did you all doe this ? I would be dying to know because I despise the new galleries too. Please message me on my talk page with a response, or let me know when you responded here. Thank you. Anno1404 01:01, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Facebook symbol.

Organization 13 - If only the whispers at the top of the ladder carried to the bottom rung... TALK - Parley! Shouldn't there also be the Facebook symbol on the main page too because we have a page there too? http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=143194599040436&ref=ts.

Hello? Organization13 15:02, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone? Organization13 22:01, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

What about this? Can someone attach it onto the page? (with permission, of course)

--Axel - ^{Boo to you too!} 22:08, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Helloooooo? Organization13 16:04, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Doesn't it say at the top of the page "share this article" with a facebook icon next to it? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 16:29, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Beside the twitter and freenode symbol, the share the article is only for the page to be shown on your Facebook profile. Organization13 17:41, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Then I don't know. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 17:44, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I just mean shouldn't we add the facebook symbol beside the microphone on the main page beacause we do have a facebook page? Organization13 21:01, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

October 2010

Grimreaper10000 The Terra you know will be gone forever. — 04:48, October 3, 2010 (UTC) It's already the third of the month, and there's no new Article of the Month. Did...someone just forget or something...? I cast my vote in for Xehanort...

The New Look

Im sorry Kingdom Hearts Wiki, but this new look is anoying and confusing, if you please.... CHANGE IT BACK!!!

Wikia changed it. We did nothing. File:DL VentusHaste.png⁼⁼Pea14733₌₌File:DL VentusAutoCounter.png 07:51, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well then Wikia change it back!!!

If you read the forum with all the cursing symbols in it's name, and when i say in its name i maean as it's name, you'll find that we've been trying to convince them to do just that, but they just don't wanna listen to us. and please sign your posts--ShadowsTwilight 06:06, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Command Board updating

Yeah guys, all of the Heartless contained in the box have been updated accordingly. They need to be replaced with more articles in need of repair. I wasn't sure if I was allowed to do this without a staff member... so... yeah. Have fun. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON.

Question

Now that KHW has a YT page, should we link it to the main page ? Also bringing up the reminder about the Facebook group — it'd be great if we could edit just that section of the main page. ^Tambours_Tonnerre Ensemble ! 08:11, 10 February 2011 (EST)

News

I think our breaking off from Wikia has earned a mention on the news section on thi Wiki and the Wikia one. There should also definitely be a link on the Wikia-Wiki to this address. If we want thisWiki to get more traffic we need it to be more prominent on the original location.LapisLazuliScarab15:30, 12 February 2011 (EST)

I didn't notice the move until now. Until today, I thought that this wiki still was based on Wikia, and I see that several people have been editing there, possibly not knowing anything about the move. Wouldn't there be some way to get people to find this site from the old Wikia site?

For example, you could copy new sections of certain important articles from this site to the Wikia site. According to the Creative Commons licence, this requires attribution of the source of the relevant section (with a link to a page where the article history can be located), so you get a reason to include a link to this site. This link would have to go to the corresponding article on this site, so contributors might notice that the formulations are almost the same, realising that this is where to look instead.

It would also be nice if this would get people to go away from that annoying Wikia site. I had to add a bookmark to my bookmark toolbar appending '?useskin=monobook' (or '&useskin=monobook' depending on the URL) to the current data in the location bar just in order to read that site! --212.247.11.156 23:07, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

We actually can't advertise this site on the wikia site, as the people who own the wikia site (wikia) would erase that and ban anyone who put it up. The most we can do is put links to this site on the userpages of the people who've left the old site, which we've done.

Copying the content over to the old site would just make the old site easier to find on google, because of how it's algorithms work. On the long haul, it's better for us to just keep making high-quality, unique content so that we appear higher on google searches.

Yeah, we know, Oasis sucks."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 23:32, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Mirage Arena

Now that the Nominations are up and running and the Battle Box vote has started, shouldn't we post a link to them on the main page? AS IF! 15:57, 12 February 2011 (EST)

Yellow

LightRoxas - "I fight for the Users!" TALK - "I'm also better than you!" Why is everything that was blue now yellow? I don't have a problem with it but it makes the headers harder to see.

Erry - Deep Drive TALK - Moon shine down. ~ 15:02, 23 February 2011 (EST) I see no problems with the yellow. I can read everything perfectly.

KrytenKoro - "It is often said that before you die your life passes before your eyes. It is in fact true. It's called living." TALK - Erry, could you help him set up personal css so that it's blue again?

LightRoxas - "I fight for the Users!" TALK - "I'm also better than you!" Actually I think it was just the computer that I was on, on my personal rig I can read everything just fine. Nevermind.

Partnership

Hey, sry if I'm in the wrong section, I want to ask you about a partnership with the KH-Wiki. It's ok if you aren't interested in anything like this, just wanted to ask you, though. Just in case I'm one of the leading administrators. Greetings Sum2k3 14:28, 19 March 2011 (EDT) Ok, i was in the wrong section.. also partnership sounds a bit wrong. xD I found the right corner to ask about affiliation. Sum2k3 04:02, 20 March 2011 (EDT)

Interviews

So, mainly spurred by EnglishJoker going around checking our unsourced statements, I went through KHInsider's archives and got links to every interview I could find (excluding a few repetitive ones). I figure it's easier to have a shortlist here rather than having to do this every time we need a source. Most involve fluff we already know now or development things, but I have them for the sake of completedness. So... here:

"The Birth of Kingdom Hearts" [1]

• Very brief interview with some information about when Nomura began development on the KH concept.

The Birth by sleep ending video [2]

• Wide variety of information, mostly relating to the secret ending video of KHIIFM, and the then-recently named characters; Terra, Aqua, and Ven.

The tone of the Kingdom Hearts series [3]

• Again, only a very brief mention of KH, but Nomura notes the difference in tone between KH and FF (the latter is darker than the former), and may indicate the somewhat darker tone Days and BBS took.

The side stories of Kingdom Hearts [4]

• Generally nothing new except for some tidbits of developmental information, except for one part where Nomura describes the then-untold “side stories” that don’t focus on Sora, including the BBS video, Mickey finding the Kingdom Key D, Roxas’ life, and Riku activity during Sora’s slumber.

Days, coded, and BBS, post-reveal [5] [6]

• Simple interviews with Nomura not long after BBS, Days, and coded were revealed.

Nomura talks Kingdom Hearts [7]

• General stuff about the series, particularly BBS, coded, and Days.

Days and coded gameplay [8]

• A brief interview discussing some gameplay for Days and coded.

BBS, Days, and coded [9]

• Three sizeable interviews about BBS, Days, and coded, covering a wide array of topics about them.

More BBS, Days, and coded [10]

• A bit less info than the above interviews, but Nomura talks about the “Unbirths” and seems to make a direct reference to the “born” part of their names. Weird.

Tidbits of BBS, Days, and coded [11]

• Tiny interviews about the three games.

BBS, Days, and coded, take two [12]

• Contains another set of fairly large interviews about the games.

New trailers and interviews [13]

• Contains brief interviews about Nomura talking about the then-recently released trailers for the three games.

New trailers and interviews… again [14]

• Same as the above.

Three games, three developers, three interviews [15]

• Nomura and two other developers are interviewed.

Nomura, no answers [16]

• Contains a brief interview where Nomura doesn’t really reveal anything new.

Nomura and Hasagawa [17]

• Contains part of an interview with Nomura and Hasagawa about the development of Days.

Long gameplay… interview? [18]

• Contains a long bit of info about Days’ gameplay. KHInsider says it’s an interview, but either they’re talking about the link to Heartstation I’m too lazy to follow or I’m just not seeing the interview part. Including it for safety.

Long, missing Ultimania interviews [19] [20]

• Should contain a long interview about BBS and coded, but the links display 404 errors.

How coded connects [21]

• Contains a brief interview about the three games, and comments on how coded links up to the rest of the series.

Big Days interview [22] [23] [24]

• A big interview about things relating to the Organization and Days. No, Nobodies don’t age.

Big BBS interview [25]

• Equally large interview about BBS with a lot of info. Including the official name of the Unversed.

Interview with Yasue [26]

• Interview with co-director Yasue about BBS.

Interview with Nomura and Yasue [27]

• Interview with Nomura and Yasue about BBS.

Nomura’s opinions on BBS [28]

• Contains a brief interview with Nomura, which is mostly his opinions about BBS.

Nomura on BBS again [29]

• More of Nomura discussing BBS, particularly emphasizing how important Braig/Xigbar is in the series.

Another missing Ultimania interview [30]

• Should contain another Ultimania interview, but instead I get another 404 error.

Yet another BBS interview [31]

• Contains what I said.

Interview with other developers [32]

• Two developers, a rare interview devoid of Nomura, discuss the development of BBS.

Post-BBS interview [33]

• Nomura talks about the steps leading up to KHIII and hints at another game after BBS and coded, and ends by making me want to throw rocks at him for not telling us anything.

Massive BBS interview [34] [35]

• Massive interview about some new revelations made in BBS.

Non-Nomura coded interview [36]

• Jun Kato discusses the development of coded and hints at it being released for systems other than phones.

Nomura, yes answers [37]

• Large interview with Nomura actually directly answering plot questions for once, mostly relating to BBS and questions it raised.

Lots and lots of answers [38]

• More of the above, but much larger and answering more questions.

Nomura is a lying liar [39]

• Short interview about BBS where Nomura comments that there won’t be a game based on the Keyblade War. But he also says that there wouldn’t be a BBSFM, so we know how good his promises are…

Another short interview [40]

• Mostly about BBS and a bit about 3D development.

3D, coded, and Pixar [41]

• Contains brief info about 3D, coded, and Nomura’s interest in bringing in Pixar characters in the future.

BBS and Re:coded [42]

• Nomura talks about the changes to the English version of BBS and Re:coded.

BBS development and design [43]

• Nomura talks about the development and design decisions behind BBS.

Nomura talks 3D [44]

• Short interview with Nomura giving a few details about KH3D’s story and whatnot.

Nomura talks BBS development [45]

• Short interview where Nomura talks about why he made some development choices in BBS, like including Zack or some of the worlds.

Nomura talks 3D [46]

• Contains a brief Youtube of Nomura talking about 3DS.

Nomura talks Re: coded development [47]

• Short interview about Re: coded.

Nomura talks 3D and BBSFM [48] [49]

• Fairly large interview with Nomura discussing KH3D & BBSFM.

Re: coded mysteries [50] [51]

• Interview with Nomura about Re: coded and the questions it raised.

3D interview [52]

• A brief interview about the future of KH.

BBSFM interview [53]

• Short interview about the changes to BBSFM from the English BBS.

Wardrobe change in 3D [54]

• Very brief tidbit about Nomura looking into Sora and Riku’s outfits changing.

Yoko Shimomura interview [55] [56]

• Change of pace with Shimomura talking about the music.

20 Mysteries of KH [57]

• Don't think I found this one earlier. It's the one dealing with the origin of Xemnas, the Org., etc.

--LapisLazuliScarab09:21, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

SEIWA Box

Hey guys, sorry If I am out of place here; but I was wondering if someone could add a SEIWA area to the front page? Thank you for your time, Bud0011 01:36, 9 November 2011 (UTC).

Hmm... let me see what I can do.

Also, in the NIWA wikis, the logo's color is changed to match each wiki's overall color scheme. Would anyone object to me doing the same here? -- AS IF! 23:52, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

By chance, do you mean how some NIWA wiki's have the NIWA logo, like so?

Like, in some places it's red while in others it's blue or green or pink in order to match that wiki's theme. -- AS IF! 02:10, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, yeah. Minor cosmetic changes would probably be fine. So long as it is simple like a color change or something. ;). Bud0011 17:29, 10 November 2011 (UTC).

So, where can I find the crown image used as the website logo:

-- AS IF! 01:44, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Hold on, I'll go get the Hi-res version You have wormed your way to the very nadir of repugnance. - Erry 02:41, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Here: You have wormed your way to the very nadir of repugnance. - Erry 02:45, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Look's good.... especially the High-Def Vision. Also, was that a question? Bud0011 20:32, 11 November 2011 (UTC).

Can someone with coding knowledge put the template onto the main page so that it looks like this? -- AS IF! 01:02, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I tried, but the template's coding conflicts with whatever I try. The template's content goes outside my divs, even though it isn't supposed to. --Sove 01:33, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Will that work? if not, feel free to change it, Bud0011 02:23, 12 November 2011 (UTC).

It would look better if it was directly under the Helping out box, but something in the template screws it up when I try to place it there. --Sove 02:27, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok, changed. Bud0011 02:38, 12 November 2011 (UTC).

Past tense

Sooo...it turns out that "past tense" is what is used to describe even in-play events on most high-quality wikis, like tfwiki or wookiepedia. Do we want to start using it as well, or are we happy as we are?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 16:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Affiliate option

I have an option for affiliate that we need to discuss whether we should pursue, so all staff, please show up on the IRC today."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 17:07, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Shut down?

Wikipedia shuts down: Why aren't we protesting against SOPA and PIPA? (Wikipedia vs. United States Congress) --NumberXV 17:56, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

LightRoxas - "WHAT? I get to wear a COW SUIT?! COOL!" TALK - "Sounds like they were out for steak and eggs!" We're an independent wiki. And I hardly think anyone will notice/care if we black out for a day.

KrytenKoro - You should have figured out whether bodies age without their hearts, Nomura. TALK - Also the fact that shutting down to make a political statement is completely at odds with our mission statement, and that unlike wikipedia, we have absolutely no risk from SOPA, as both our material and sources are fair use. You guys are free to make personal statements, but anything like what wikipedia has ("this is what will happen if SOPA passes") would be a bald-faced lie for us.

Shortcut

Darth - Riku - This battle isn't over. And until it is, I still need the power of darkness! TALK - Come to the Dark Side! We have cooler Keyblades! Okay, we all know you can put a page on your Favorites list but let's say I use computer's at school which reset every day to hook up to the Wiki. With that in mind, what would I put in the URL to directly link to this Main Page instead of The Keyhole which is what comes up every time?

Search for khwiki.net--Dark-EnigmaXIII 17:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Darth - Riku - This battle isn't over. And until it is, I still need the power of darkness! TALK - Come to the Dark Side! We have cooler Keyblades! Thanks!

Mirage Arena

Darth - Riku - This battle isn't over. And until it is, I still need the power of darkness! TALK - Come to the Dark Side! We have cooler Keyblades! The Mirage Arena battle on the main page is wrong and I don't know how, if it can, or if it's supposed to be fixed.

Pea14733 Hey, it's their world. They get to decide what to do with it. — 16:20, 1 February 2012 (UTC) Done.

Look at this

http://disney.go.com/create/apps/digitalpainter/kingdom-hearts this was on disney.com, its pretty awesome and this is a game http://disney.go.com/games/play3/?content=863188#/games/play3/&content=863188

To clarify: these are official KH things and should be covered somewhere."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 07:21, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Xehanort renders

I think they make a good addition to the page, at least until we finally decide to update it. I don't find them to be an eyesore. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 19:03, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I do, especially since they're not even official. Since it's our KH3D theme, we should at least make it Sora and Riku, or the Wandanyan and Komori Bat. It's more fitting than randomly plopping Terranort and Xehanort on there. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 20:43, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I always thought that the Xehanort render is one of the best ever created, I'd really love to see a more prominent place for it. --ShardofTruth 14:31, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

I think it looks great. Sora and Riku already own the logo, let's give the villains a place to shine. LightRoxas 14:36, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Considering that I'm rarely on the Main Page anymore, I think it looks fine. It makes people think "Oh damn, they have renders. This must be a professional site." Maybe. *sniff* Maybe. Chitalian8 14:59, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Then we should be using the bloody official renders! The ability to extract and animate a render from game coding has nothing whatsoever to do with professionalism. I don't care how "cool" the one of Xehanort holding a heart is to people. It just looks so weird the way we randomly plop them, of all characters, on the page. The renders should at least have relevance to the Wiki-theme, which is, in this case, KH3D. If you're all so adamant on using Xehanort incarnations, why not just use Xemnas and Ansem, Seeker of Darkness? - Eternal Nothingness XIII 19:35, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

I have prepared models of the main page using the three of my suggestions:

• Option I - Sora and Riku
• Option II - Wandanyan and Komori Bat
• Option III - Ansem and Xemnas

I personally prefer Option I or II, but I'm willing to compromise and live with III... - Eternal Nothingness XIII 19:35, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, this is off-topic, but...damn, how small is your monitor, ENX? maggosh 19:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Calm down, ENX. We're all friends here.

Part of what attracts me to the Xehanorts is that I haven't seen these renders a million times before. There's uniqueness to it, because most people don't have access to unofficial renders. Also, the pictures of Sora and Riku feel much too static. They just stand there, not doing anything; at the very least we could use their fighting poses. LightRoxas 20:42, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not saying the render of Xehanort holding the heart isn't cool. It was excellently made. It's just not official, and we promote the usage of official material here. It's been our policy to always use official images if we have them before turning to fan-made ones; this has always been the case with articles, and I see no reason why it should not hold true here. I guess I'm just against the random usage of Terranort, when you get right down to it. I don't see any logic behind it other than the fact that he's posed the same way Xehanort is. Personally, I'd prefer to maintain the KH3D theme or just leave Apprentice Xehanort on there alone without Terranort or a second character. For those interested in what it would look like, here's a model of the Wiki's main page using Sora and Riku's battle poses:

• Click Me

Honestly, I quite like the way this looks. But here's another idea: Since the current Wiki-theme is emphasizing the Square-created characters so heavily and there's no way to persuade me to not fight against the usage of the Xehanort images, why not just use a Disney character, like Mickey or Yen Sid, who is still relevant but belongs to neither category? Even a plain old Moogle would suffice... We seem to be using these images simply because they're "unique" in comparison to the same, dry, official ones, why not just use characters who would stand out against the surplus of Square's? - Eternal Nothingness XIII 00:49, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

At least in my view, the reason these two are most appropriate is:

1. Unlike the other suggestions, these characters are posed to specifically highlight and draw attention to the welcome notice. They point the viewer to it, rather than just being fluff for hte sake of fluff.
2. It creates some parity for the already heavily protagonist-based layout.
3. Without getting into too many spoilers, the current game (and saga) revolves almost totally around these characters and their actions. If we could replace Terra-Xehanort with Young Xehanort in a similar pose, that would be slightly more ideal.
4. Using these images instead of Disney or Final Fantasy images highlights the franchise's ever-increasing focus on its own content and characters in favor of just crossovers, and on a second level, highlights our own community's amazing efforts and creations.
5. Although we have a policy of using official material on the articles, this is not one of the articles. This is our main page, whose primary purpose is to serve as our face and advertisement, to both direct readers to the articles and to, well, peacock. That's why half the page is various "featured" sections.

ENX, I certainly understand if you don't like the specific layout, characters used, poses, anything aesthetic about it, but I don't think that the issue of them being unofficial is truly a fault in this context."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 03:52, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Let me respond to your words accordingly:

• Using two images really squeezes the text of the welcome notice in a way I find discomforting. I see no reason to keep Terra-Xehanort if I'm forced to live with Xehanort, but Young Xehanort cannot be added as a replacement to Terra-Xehanort, or else one of the images would be pointing away from the welcome notice, due to the way both characters are facing the left side of the page. I see no reason why we could not just use Young Xehanort, since we could say he's holding his hand out "towards the welcome notice," and it's offical material. Not to mention it'd loosen up the text in the welcome notice a bit. Right now, the images we're using may as well just be fluff used simply because they're fluff on the grounds that they're not official. Not to mention the poses are rather corny in my opinion.
• I never agreed with the Wiki's merging Xehanort and Terra-Xehanort together with Terra-Xehanort being the main article (may be the source of some of my discomfort in terms of this). I saw the logic behind it, but I never supported/agreed with it, the same way I never supported/agreed with changing "Xehanort's Heartless" to "Ansem, Seeker of Darkness" or "Lingering Sentiment" to "Lingering Will." But I digress. The point is, I'm very unhappy with the usage of Terra-Xehanort, since that was only a Birth by Sleep-relevant character. If you want something that applies to the whole series, than we may as well use characters who appear in the whole series or change the Wiki-theme to be relevant to the entire series rather than a single game. Thus I still suggest using the Young Xehanort render alone. This way, he's relevant to the Wiki-theme and still serves the same purpose as the Terra-Xehanort and Xehanort renders.
• Young Xehanort is, in essence, the main antagonist of KH3D, thus it would emphasize him as such. The fact he's an antagonist in and of himself contrasts the protagonist-heavy Wiki-theme, which, may I point out, uses KH3D protagonists! I've always been big on consistency, especially in terms of aesthetics, so using Young Xehanort would really ease my present discomfort, and it serves as a fair compromise in my opinion.
• Young Xehanort, again, accomplishes the same things alone as the two Xehanort renders: he emphasizes "the series' ever-increasing focus on its own content." I in no way deny that the community is skilled and creative, but you're basically saying we're all in favor of using fanart, which is all these renders are. I could see the Keyhole doing something like this, but since this is a more official site where we emphasize the official content and enforce its usage so heavily, this creates a discomforting contradiction. A user page is where the community's skill and creativity should be featured, and no where else. Not to mention using the main page to emphasize the community's more creative side and "skill" strikes me as a bit snobbish and conceited.
• True, this is not one of the articles, but the main page is the "first impression" our readers/visitors get of our site. We want to "advertise" that we're serious about the Kingdom Hearts series and promise reliable, official content right from the very get-go. The usage of these images contradicts everything we stand for in my opinion, and quite honestly, I wouldn't want to delve deeper into a site that is so unprofessional with its images and how they're handled. You may as well cover the entire main page in fanart and unofficial content. I'm not buying your "various featured sections" argument, either, simply on the grounds that we use these sections to "advertise" official content, for the most part.

I truly do not mean to be as antagonistic or difficult as I seem to be coming across with all of this. I truly hope we can reach some sort of middle-ground. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 14:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

It's just two pictures. Nothing big. You have wormed your way to the very nadir of repugnance. - Erry 14:26, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Young Xehanort cannot be added as a replacement to Terra-Xehanort, or else one of the images would be pointing away from the welcome notice...

If we could replace Terra-Xehanort with Young Xehanort in a similar pose, that would be slightly more ideal.

maggosh 14:41, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Y'know, maggosh, we could simply mirror Young Xehanort's image... You have wormed your way to the very nadir of repugnance. - Erry 19:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

• ENX, the main page is already defined by our community creating a window into the KH universe. It's a simple fact that Square Enix hasn't produced a ton of "official art/text/coding for introducing the series to readers of a wiki", so a lot of creating that window is our own work (and seriously, it is really stretching it to call these fanart). We can't advertise that we're serious about the work if all we're doing is reposting the text and images from the games, instead of organizing them into some legible, cohesive body.
• "Fluff" and "unofficial" are completely unrelated. As I said earlier, these images have a very specific purpose: they point the reader's eye towards the welcome message. They are not simply there for decoration. You're trying to say that, basically, a turn lane sign is equivalent to the flowers by the side of the road.
• I totally agree with a Young Xehanort image, if we can produce one that has the same "traffic sign" function (cloaked or uncloaked). As for the relevance of these Xehanort images...I didn't want to spoil KH3D too much, but it's a 99% chance these "two" characters showed up in KH3D, and in the end the game is explicitly about "forms of Xehanort".192.249.47.177 19:36, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

For God's sake, why do we need the images in the first place?! Aesthetically speaking, they're an eyesore, and we've gotten by for so long without them that it hardly seems necessary to add them.

• While the renders may come directly from the coding of a Square Enix game, they are the work of one user, and one user only, a fan-created rendition of offical material. It's not the work of the community. Again, it's something a user would host on his or her page and say "Look what I made!" Sounds like fanart to me. Flaunting our "community"'s skill comes across as snobbish and conceited, a bad first impression of our Wiki on the so-called audience you seem to think these images are capable of attracting. Using what Square has provided for us (you really think they give a damn about a Wiki?) is not simply "copy/pasting" it. It's using it to our advantage. The point is, we're the unofficial "official" Kingdom Hearts Wiki. Ergo, it makes more sense to emphasize the usage of official material.
• My standpoint on the situation is simply this: Unless you know that the images are intended to draw one's attention to the welcome notice, they may as well be fluff added just for decorative purposes. The "turn lane sign and flowers by the side of the road" are the same when all the flowers do is make the turn lane sign look nice. If you actually want to emphasize the turn lane sign, then change the bloody sign itself! Don't just plant more flowers, because that's what sticks out. The flowers. Not the sign. Thus the images are fluff, and unofficial fluff at that (that's why I said I'd prefer official fluff over unofficial). Honestly, how many times do you see a "Welcome to <insert town name here>" sign and say "Ooo, what a pretty sign?" Plain and simple: You don't! You compliment the pretty flowers or shrubbery growing around the sign, if you don't completely ignore the sign altogether, which most people do. The images have and adverse effect, at least for me: they draw all my attention to themselves, and not the welcome notice as intended.
• There is no appearance of Terra-Xehanort at all in KH3D, and the most you ever see of Xehanort is his hand. If you're trying to suggest relevance to KH3D and the whole "forms of Xehanort" thing without spoiling the game, then use forms with more prominence, like Ansem and Xemnas, as I suggested. If you must used a posed T-render, I see no reason why one could not be produced.

And that's that. Tune in next week when "Battle of the Main Page Xehanort Renders" continues >_> - Eternal Nothingness XIII 22:16, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Chitalian8 Say... — And here's me, playing the world's tiniest violin. Your face is priceless. — 22:53, 16 April 2012 (UTC) 1. I'd say that there's a large difference between making a work of art from scratch and taking resources from in-game and posing them using a pose from in-game. The renders are basically just a fancy way of photoshopping a character out of the game. Regarding the crack about the "community", while the renders are not the work of the whole community, it shows that the wiki has a diverse collection of editors with a wide variety of skills. Aren't we supposed to flaunt the resources that we have, and the quality of our wiki? That's what makes people want to read it. 2. ...yes, it's for decorative purposes. It draws attention, plain and simple. If I could put myself in the mind of an average wiki reader, I'd look at the images first, then look at what they're pointing at. Honestly, the average reader wouldn't even take the time to care about what's in-between the images. There's really nothing in there that's beneficial to a reader. 3. Impartial to this, I'm fine with the images we have now, but I'm also okay with the Sora and Riku battle poses, Xemnas and Ansem, and the Dream Eaters. Again, some of your argument I'm a little unclear on. The whole point of the thing is to draw attention to the middle, I wouldn't say it's detracting any of it.

I hate to be the one pointing this out, but I believe that the reason behind them being an "eyesore" to you, ENX, is due to your small screen resolution and web browser. IE improperly wraps the text, based upon the images provided. Even in my strange screen resolution (1366x786), the main page looks quite good. I see no problems. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 04:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, how about we use this then? If everyone is okay with it, that is. You have wormed your way to the very nadir of repugnance. - Erry 06:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Not a big fan of that big space between the images and the logo, but I'll live with it. Yes, yes, YES!!! - Eternal Nothingness XIII 13:47, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I still like the Xehanort images better. They diversify the theme and show off our community. 67.52.57.114 16:55, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

We could always make a version with KH3D Antagonists, this is just the first draft, with the protagonists. You have wormed your way to the very nadir of repugnance. - Erry 01:07, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

LightGroose - "I like to call... the Legend of Groose." TALK - "I think I'll call this place... Grooseland." I fail to see this as an issue of this gargantuan size. They're just bloody renders. ENX, I know you feel like using unofficial renders is wrong, but in know way is it anywhere close to fanart - the models were still made by Squeenix, and so even if they are posed by an external force, the main gist of it is still the same. I'm all for using official renders, provided they can bring attention to the text/logo/whatever we choose to have in the middle. If we can't find images of sufficient quality, there should be no problem with bringing in unofficial models. Erry, I like it. I do agree that the white space seems like a bit too much; perhaps you could shrink the KHWiki logo and fit it up higher? Also, I like the idea of an antagonist version. If we really wanted to be dynamic, we could even have it be a random draw between a variety of these sets of images, so as to give a different feel every time you visit the site. That might be more work than anyone wants to do, though.

Erry - Let me think about it. TALK - Scherzo Di Notte ~ 12:07, 19 April 2012 (UTC) Made the images bigger so now there's less space. Take a look again and tell me what you think.

LightRoxas "Lead me into everlasting darkness!" Lookin' good! I would definitely feel compelled to spend time here if I saw that.

I just wish there was a way to move the "Featured" sections down without totally destroying the page so we could get Sora to the right far enough where we could fight "Kingdom Hearts Wiki" between him and Riku (so they're framing the logo), and then have the welcome notice directly beneath the images. But other than that, I'm really liking this, Erry! - Eternal Nothingness XIII 19:27, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

OR we could actually finish remodeling the main page as opposed to slightly changing the aesthetics. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 20:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Enemy sorting

Why are the pages for the different types of enemies inconsistent as to how the enemies are sorted? The Heartless are sorted by type of enemy (like all of the Red Nocturne, Yellow Opera, Green Requiem type enemies together), the Nobodies appear to be sorted by when they appear in the game, and the Dream Eaters are in alphabetical order.

Shouldn't they all be sorted in a uniform fashion? 131.128.130.106 18:57, 26 April 2012 (UTC)