Talk:Keyblade Armor

Name

When the real term for Armour appeared we'll change it immediatly. --Cococrash11 06:33, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

But why are we using some apparent form of old english, hm? "Armor" is the correct spelling, unless this name has been confirmed (which you said it's not, so this shouldn't even be here). Someone give me the green light to move the page please, or have a staff member delete/move it themselves. - EternalNothingnessXIII 10:58, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

I mean't to say the japanese word armour did appear in BBS's youtube video. --Cococrash11 23:28, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

@ENX: There's already a page named "Armor", which is about something else. We'd need to call it "Armor (Birth by Sleep)" or something.--Lapis ofthe Night 23:36, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

@LapisScarab: Why called Armor whats the diffrence between Armour just wondering? --Cococrash11 23:42, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Both spellings are technically correct, but we use American English on the wiki, so "Armour" is changed to "Armor" and so forth.--Lapis ofthe Night 23:49, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Wait you mean Amor is the American word for armour? So Armour is British word right? --Cococrash11 00:23, February 6, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

They're both English words that mean the same thing, but "Armor" is the American spelling and "Armour" is the Brittish spelling.--Lapis ofthe Night 00:32, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I say it shouldn't stay "Keyblade Armor", it seriously should be Armor, but it's about something else-maybe it should be added to the page Armor or be called Fighting Armor, I think that could be a good idea, the Keyblade dosn't make the Armor, and Xemnas doesn't wield a Keyblade, and Xion isn't wearing armor if you ask me, it's more of an outfit change Hangon - ^{All you need is love! ♫} 17:14, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Take it up with Nomura.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 17:52, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Form?

Armor is a From, like Valor Form, or Retro Form, right? If so, we should add it to the Form template. --LegoAlchemist 00:39, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so Armor are like the Keyblade and it seems that Armor had feelings like the Keyblades. Like when Kingdom Key chose Riku and then decided to return to Sora. Its just my opinion. --Cococrash11 01:24, February 6, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Any other opinions? --LegoAlchemist 17:51, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

It strikes me as more of a tool than a form. Sort of a precursor to the Gummi Ship.--Lapis ofthe Night 17:53, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Cape

No.i - I'm Ventus. Call me Ven. TALK - Leave this to me! ~ 23:48, February 6, 2010 (UTC) I just wanted to point out the reason for the capes not being on the armor in birth by sleep, and that is because it would take more time for the game to load if there was moving fabric involved, so it's not there for gameplay purposes. So in reality the capes are really there.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? You're correct that that is why they were removed, but they're not "really there". The Birth by Sleep game is a retcon of the Birth By Sleep ending video, meaning that canonically they never had capes.

No.i - I'm Ventus. Call me Ven. TALK - Leave this to me! ~ 00:18, February 7, 2010 (UTC) Ah, I see. But then why did the Lingering Sentiment have one in kingdom hearts 2 final mix?

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Probably because the designs hadn't been finalized for the characters, and because that was just Terra's armor in a secret boss fight. Like you said before, animating three capes throughout the entire game would have been too expensive and cause a lot of loading time.

No.i - I'm Ventus. Call me Ven. TALK - Leave this to me! ~ 04:43, March 28, 2010 (UTC) Are you sure it isn't canon? Because even the latest artwork has capes.

The "latest artwork" isn't new. It's the concept artwork from before the game was even released - the stuff they specifically had to leave out because of the rendering issues.Glorious CHAOS! 06:41, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

You'll also notice that Fresh Breeze has a different design in Ven's concept art, namely the "teeth" are facing the opposite direction, so it's not the final, canon design. --Neumannz 07:15, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Capitalized

Armor (Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep)'s Armor is capitalized because its a term that needs to be capiralized like the Keyblade, Gummi Ship, and etc. --Cococrash11 06:41, February 7, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Artwork?

Lord Captain Cecil Harvey - No one ever plays with me anymore. TALK - 21:19, January 2, 2010 (UTC) The "artwork" of the armor looks more like fanart to me...

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 02:21, April 14, 2010 (UTC)   It's from the Ultimania. It's official.

Japanese Name

Doesn't BBS Ultimania provide the Japanese name for Armor? --Cococrash11 05:25, April 14, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Throwback to old FF games?

It occurred to me a week ago so I might as well say it now. Has anyone noticed that the armor worn in BBS might be somewhat of a shout out to the older Final Fantasy games where the protagonists all wore some kind of armor and capes. Every single one up to FFVII where the trend stopped. Kaihedgie 18:50, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

I looked at it as more of a Kamen Rider/Super Sentai influence. Mostly because of the Henshin factor, the slap the sholder or arm peice and transform. And Terra's Keyblade Rider is something like a motorcycle/waverunner thing. Hyperwre_2.0 06:05, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Really looks more like an original concept, not a reference to any game, as far as I can see.--Lord Captain Cecil Harvey 01:21, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

maggosh ...the flint is struck. — "Maybe I should punish you after all." "Come on! Show a little backbone!" Nomura stated he used the Armor as opposed to Black Coats in The Gathering in part due to FFXII's release.

Xemnas

Disneyvillainman - I'm what you might call an expert in the art of Darkness. TALK - Rather a stubborn ol' goat, wouldn't ya say? What proof do we have that Xemnas's armor is keyblade armor. The two things look nothing alike. Is there any proof that his armor in Keyblade armor?

iZerox Think I'll pass. My heart won't be in it. Don't have one, you know? — 01:03, September 25, 2010 (UTC) Look nothing alike? I quite beg to differ. His armor is almost entirely designed in the likeness of Terra's armor. Armored Xemnas.png Terra armor.png Let us start with comparing the heads. Both have the metal plumes coming off on both sides and are identical in almost every way except for color. The only difference is that Xemnas dons a crown. All the keyblade armors have unique shoulder armors, so does Xemnas's. Compare the design and structure of the chest it's quite similar. The key difference here is that Xemnas's is parted by a nobody insignia in the center. Both armors feature elongated arm guards from the lower arm. Xemnas's is quite a deal larger but most everything in his armors design is over the top to add a powerful feel to it. Now I'd like to direct your attention to the feet. Both have metal wings that sprout from them. Xemnas's armor has much smaller ones but they are clearly there. Xemnas is indirectly the nobody of Master Xehanort through the possession of Terra and Xehanort and Terra coexisting as Xehanort. It's reasonable to assume that the abilities of both co-existed in one body much like that of Sora and Ventus. Roxas the Nobody of Sora was able to wield the keyblade and took on the look of Ventus. Why then could Xemnas as the nobody of Xehnort not take on the ability to use keyblade armor from Master Xehanort as both Master Xehanort and Terra coexisted much like Ventus and Sora inside the Xehanort who Xemnas was created from.

Disneyvillainman - I'm what you might call an expert in the art of Darkness. TALK - Rather a stubborn ol' goat, wouldn't ya say? Even though you do have a good point, this is still speculation/original research and therefore is not permitted to be on this wiki.

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - 03:18, September 25, 2010 (UTC) I don't recall MX had an armor piece, I thought Keyblade Armors required a piece of the armor to be put on the users body. Besides, the trio's armor doesn't have any insignia and yet Xemnas' has a Nobody insignia on it. But we still don't know, I can be wrong.

iZerox Talk about blank with a capital B. Man, oh, man. Not even the dusks are gonna crack this one... — 06:54, September 25, 2010 (UTC) We don't ever see Master Xehanort's armor piece but that doesn't mean he didn't have one in the past. Accoding to Xehanort Report II he once wore keyblade armor though he decided to no longer use it so he could grow from darkness. I have no proof and this portion is pure speculation but it is possible that the Crown Shoulder Plate would be Xemnas's shoulder piece used to summon the armor. It would not be impossible for him to have kept the armor piece hidden underneath his Black Coat.

That could be right, but if MX had armor and he decided to don't use it any more then Xemnas should have his armor because he couldn't get it somewhere else. --{{subst:User:Secret agent clank/sig}} 07:01, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - 08:20, September 25, 2010 (UTC) Oh yeah I just read that report. I guess your theory is pretty much acceptable. But the report kind of confused me, MX said the Armor's purpose is to defend the wearer from Darkness just like the Black Coats, then why didn't Aqua use her armor in the secret ending? Unless she didn't know the purpose of the armor except for travelling between worlds :/

iZerox Talk about blank with a capital B. Man, oh, man. Not even the dusks are gonna crack this one... — 15:45, September 25, 2010 (UTC) Are you talking about the secret ending where she meets Ansem the Wise? She's lost her armor by this point it was taken by Braig and the rest and put into Ansem's castle. This is why Xemnas has her armor on display in Final Mix +. Someone added to the article that the Xemnas's armor was attributed to Terra's presence within Xehanort. And I must say that's quite the jump as far as speculation is concerned. But none the less there may be some sense in that unless you consider the existance of the Lingering Sentitment. So Terra has no armor to give. Also @DisneyVillianMan: I understand the no speculation policy. But as the image is one extracted from the game it's official and it is recognizable to be armor like the rest. The origins of the armor are what is speculation but not the armor itself.

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} Xemnas armor is similar to Terra's but it doesn't mean that it is a Keyblade Armor, if we're going to consider it a Keyblade Armor we should also consider Riku's Sidecar Glider as one Keyblade Glider not saying that we should just saying that it would be as bad as saying that Xemnas's Armor is a keyblade armor

iZerox Talk about blank with a capital B. Man, oh, man. Not even the dusks are gonna crack this one... — 16:53, September 25, 2010 (UTC) Then perhaps a Trivia section along the lines of something like this, "Xemnas utilizes armor that bears strong resemblance to Keyblade Armor, though it is unconfirmed if it is Keyblade Armor." Would everyone prefer that?

KrytenKoro - Most bears were content to live their lives, mauling and eating one, maybe two humans at most. "Mass-murder," as the bears always said, "is for the sharks." But not Barry. Barry was different. He knew that one day, he would kill ALL of the humans. This is the inspiring, tear-jerking story of one bear and the dream he dared to dream. TALK - I've already changed the article to reflect that we are not 100% sure it is Keyblade Armor, but He IS a Keyblade wielder, even if he doesn't know how to do it. It should not be treated as trivia, since this type of thing is absolutely unique, and not a coincidence.

iZerox I'm enjoying this. you guys are something else! — 22:37, September 25, 2010 (UTC) I agree with KrytenKoro. Roxas and Xion didn't start out knowing how to use the Keyblade initially from what we know. Roxas at least in the data world had to figure out how to use the keyblade. It only makes sense that Xemnas as the nobody of a (two(?)) keyblade wielders would also have the ability same as Roxas. Though it remains dormant.

Well, that and Nomura point-blank said he is a Keyblade wielder, and just can't remember it.Glorious CHAOS! 23:04, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

iZerox I'm enjoying this. you guys are something else! — 23:14, September 25, 2010 (UTC) Where was this? O.O I'd really like to read this myself.

And the only reason Roxas could use the Keyblade is because Ventus's Heart is inside of him, which is also why Roxas has emotions. you would have known this if you have payed attention to Nomura interviews and the whole storyline, but i do think you are right at some part, his armor does look a great deal like Terra's Keyblade Armor, and he also had Xehanort's, Master Xehanort's, and Terra's memories but because he did not have Terra's Heart, (Which is in the revived Xehanort will will see in KH3 according to Nomura.) and his Soul. (Which is in the Lingering Sentiment.)--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 23:20, September 25, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

iZerox Talk about blank with a capital B. Man, oh, man. Not even the dusks are gonna crack this one... — 23:30, September 25, 2010 (UTC) The Lingering Sentiment is not Terra's Soul it was Terra's emotions that took life in his armor. Oh and I found where it talks about Xemnas and his special abilities, armor etc: Director's_Secret_Report_XIII This is where you were refering to right KrytenKoro?

KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow!" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT." TALK - No, the BBS Ultimania has Nomura explaining that when Terra sealed Terra-Xehanort's heart, he forgot how to wield the Keyblade.

iZerox Talk about blank with a capital B. Man, oh, man. Not even the dusks are gonna crack this one... — 05:21, September 26, 2010 (UTC) Oh okay. Though apparently the ability to use the keyblade still isn't necessary to use the armor.

iZerox, what you told about Ventus's heart inside Roxas. That would be crazy as Ventus's heart is inside Sora and if it would be inside Roxas too then Ventus has 2 hearts. {{subst:User:Secret agent clank/sig}} 06:01, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Okay seriously, Nomura said that, too. Ventus's heart is inside Roxas - that's not a matter for discussion.Glorious CHAOS! 13:07, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - 13:50, September 26, 2010 (UTC) oh yeah I forgot about that her armor is left with Xehanort -.- Maybe, after Roxas is born, Ventus' heart goes to Roxas, which explains the emotion and dual-wielding. Then, remember that BEFORE Sora awakes, Roxas has already merged with him, that's why Sora can use two Keyblades after he's awake. Although it's also possible Ventus' heart goes to Roxas when Sora's asleep

iZerox Talk about blank with a capital B. Man, oh, man. Not even the dusks are gonna crack this one... — 15:34, September 26, 2010 (UTC) Clank, I wasn't the one who said that it was Chihuahuaman. But he's correct none the less. Anyway glad I was able to help clear things up about Aqua's armor.

Thank you for pointing out that i'm right IZerox!--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 15:56, September 26, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

Not in use

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i really don't think the part under the arm armor that says it's the keyblade armor while not in use is accurate because when xehanort takes over terra's body and discards the keyblade armor, he still has the armor on his arm, despite the keyblade armor laying around him

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - 10:19, September 27, 2010 (UTC) When Aqua left her armor with Xehanort her armor piece was also still in her arm. I think the piece is more like a container for the armor.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA exactly, and of course when i try to edit it toeflect something more accurate, it's reverted

It's still part of the armor, and that's what it looks like when the armor is not in use. Even though it's possible for the armor to be left somewhere else or taken off (Terra-Xehanort v Lingering Sentiment, for example). It doesn't say "the armor turns into only this when not in use".Glorious CHAOS! 15:03, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

FM armor

Whether or not Eraqus is in it, it is Eraqus's armor. The mere fact that it has his Keyblade is proof of that - given canon is that only he and Aqua have held that Keyblade, and she doesn't wear that armor. There is no speculation in saying, "This is Eraqus's Keyblade Armor." The actual situation of the boss fight (or whether it's an actual fight) is what's uncertain.Glorious CHAOS! 20:36, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Keyblade Armor

shouldn't it be Keyblade Warrior Armor? I mean it's not Armor for the Keyblade, and it's not made from Keyblades, but it is Armor that Keyblade Warriors wear and it's appearance seems to vary on Rank, as Terra, Aqua and Ventus all look similar while Eraqus has a different, similar, but different look showing a higher rank? Zachariah Zuan 20:49, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Keyblade Armor is the term used in the series. We didn't make it up or anything.Glorious CHAOS! 23:01, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

ah alright then, was just checking Zachariah Zuan 14:11, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Xion

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Since when was Xion's armor Keyblade Armor? there is no resemblance and i don't recall any comfirmation

Well, it's armor, it's similar, and she's a Keyblade wielder. So, we cover it, saying "something resembling Keyblade Armor".Glorious CHAOS! 15:01, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA except the article doesn't say it "resembles" keyblade armor, it just talks about it as if it is normal Keyblade Armor

maggosh - I had been told the darkness would devour me, but what terrors could it possibly hold, so long as I found the strength to control it? TALK - This world is just too small. "Xion dons a suit of armor that combines motifs from the Keyblade Armor..."

Keyblade Master Xemnas?

"It's possible Xemnas intentionally wasn't using a Keyblade."

Wait, I don't get it. He wanted a Keyblade for his big plan. The Organization basically sat there twiddling their thumbs until Sora finally went Heartless so they could have one. Why wouldn't he use it? Especially with its tremendous powers?Neo Bahamut 23:47, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe he's a Star Wars fan. :D Just kidding, maybe he had the power to use a Keyblade, but didn't know he had the power to use a Keyblade. And what did you mean when you said that Xemnas abandons the armor? Xemnas never goes into space by my memory, and Mickey had a Gummi block. 66.215.20.249 23:59, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ironically, I'd just made a section below on that very thing. That's partially my fault. I often use "Xehanort" instead of "Master Xehanort." In Master Xehanort's reports, he says he travelled the Lanes Between without armor. Admittedly, Mickey can be handwaved with "magic Gummi Block thingy," which is why I didn't include him below.

What stands out to me, though, is that Nomura says "intentionally." I had been assuming myself that he just didn't know that he could. But that's not "intentional." It's mind-boggling, really. Does he say anything else about this?Neo Bahamut 00:03, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Well, maybe Darkness allowed MX to breathe. And Nomura did say it's possible Xemnas wasn't using the Keyblade intentionally, which doesn't rule out the possibility of him not knowing that he could use it. 66.215.20.249 00:14, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

1. He used the Black Coat, I'm pretty sure he even says so.
2. "It's possible there's another person inside Xemnas who doesn't WANT him to use the Keyblade, even if he can."(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 06:36, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

I remember no mention of the black coat. That would also be weird, considering it protects against darkness too. I do remember he was wearing it at the beginning, but I assumed he just didn't want anyone spotting him. Also, is that quote in the article? If not, can I put it in?Neo Bahamut 07:05, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. It might be in the Ultimania, or it might be OR, then. Still, that's what the coat is for - to allow you to dive into darkness without being devoured by it.

No no no no. That quote was me being extremely sardonic, not something from the games. I was just saying the implication is that Terra's heart is within Xemnas, hence him calling Aqua's armor "friend" and behaving oddly.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 15:09, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Avoiding Edit Wars

Why were some of my changes reverted? If we mention characters like Xion & Xemnas, we should mention Eraqus, who's definitely using Keyblade Armor. Additionally, why is there any reason to believe it's impossible to breathe in the Lanes Between? It's not like ordinary space. Monstro's hung out there just fine & Xehanort says he travelled it with no armor.Neo Bahamut 00:00, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it is like ordinary space, and Monstro was just affected by Darkness which allows him to breathe. 66.215.20.249 00:08, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Dude, seriously, it's your word against Nomura's. >_> maggosh 00:12, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Whose word? Mine or Neo Bahamut's? 66.215.20.249 00:15, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Neo Bahamut's. maggosh 00:18, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree. 66.215.20.249 00:38, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't see a single thing in any of the games that said you can't breathe in the Lanes Between. Or any references, for that matter. As a matter of fact, I saw plenty of evidence to the contrary. So, I don't see how this is "my word against Nomura's."Neo Bahamut 01:46, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

I meant about Xemnas using the Keyblade. maggosh 01:57, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Oh. Well, I still wouldn't call that "my word versus his," because I'm basically asking what the Hell he's talking about. Also, as someone else pointed out, he could be misleading us to some degree.Neo Bahamut 02:08, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Remove Xemnas and Xion

other than pure speculation, this isspecifically referring to "Keyblade Armor". A huge difference between TAV, Master Eraqus from Xemnas and Xion. Both Xemnas and Xion never wielded their keyblades in their armor form. Xemnas had a sword. Xion had monster like weapons that differed from keyblades each time and in the end also resembled swords but with a trinity spike at the top.Bijinder 00 01:53, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

This has already been discussed, look further up the page. Chitalian8 01:58, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

It's pure speculation on both parts though. YOu guys strive for the best right? THen why not have exact detail? NOt false pretenses>Bijinder 00 02:06, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

maggosh ...the flint is struck. — "Maybe I should punish you after all." "Come on! Show a little backbone!" IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED. LOOK FURTHER UP THE PAGE. Seriously, you're borderline illiterate.

To restate, to say they're "similar to Keyblade armor" isn't really that big of a deal.75.195.123.213 02:51, December 8, 2010 (UTC)