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{{TNE|time=02:13, July 11, 2010 (UTC)|text=Will we, by any chance, be archiving these rounds ?}}
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Probably. We need something to look back on for the Joint Struggle. It'll probably be something like ''Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Mirage Arena/Previous Winners'' or something like that. {{KKDSig|1}}
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{{R&D|time=02:18, July 11, 2010 (UTC)|yes=But of course. As KKD said, it's extremely necessery for Joint Struggle. I think the name Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Mirage Arena/Previous Winners sound pretty good, but we could make like the DNC archive pages. Now... why do you ask TNÉ?}}
*[[/Archive 1|Talk Archive 1]]
{{TNE|time=02:22, July 11, 2010 (UTC)|text=Or Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Mirage Arena/Hall of Fame ?


I asked simply because we haven't thought of an archive page yet !}}
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== What exactly is Joint Struggle? ==


{{R&D|time=02:26, July 11, 2010 (UTC)~|isee=Hall of Fame... that sounds good... But of course it will need several subpages so it doesn't get to crowded.
{{SC|time=02:16, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=Please elaborate.}}
Sorry if I sounded rude. :"(}}
{{TNE|time=02:35, July 11, 2010 (UTC)|text=Not at all ^_^


Anyway, we could have it like the Trinity Report's archives or even the Featured Media archives, where it's done per year. As for Joint Struggle, should it have its own archive page or shall we shove it all in one page ?}}
{{ST|text=the way i understand it, it's where they take the winners from the past MA battles and pit them against each other Keyblade War style}}
Since we have four-month rounds and then the Joint Struggle, we should do it by round. Cram all the winners, and the complete tourney bracket in, and then start a new section for the next round. sound good? {{KKDSig|1}}


{{R&D|time=02:42, July 11, 2010 (UTC)|yes=More than good. Perfect. And what the page will be called? Any ideas?
{{Chitalian8|time=02:32, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text= Are we gonna use a randomizer to pick the seeds? One thing that has piqued my curiosity is will there be things like "Vanitas vs. Radiant Garden"? Because honestly, I don't know how that's gonna play out. World vs. Character, Song vs. World, how will those kinds of matches happen?}}
:Pretty much what ShadowsTwilight said. Yes, the seeds will be randomized, so it's anybody's guess as to how it's going to play out. We've been planning the Joint Struggle since the conception of the Mirage Arena itself, and I'm hoping it'll be well received. You can expect the brackets and revised rules sometime this week, and the tournament should open in a week or so. After it's all over, we're gonna take a bit of a break from the Mirage Arena, and have a community-wide forum on how this first round went, and what we can improve on/fix. We've got a surprise waiting in the wings for all of you, so be on your toes... {{KKDSig|1}}


EDIT: Maybe we should call the Round Archives Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Mirage Arena/Previous Winners and the Struggle Archive Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Mirage Arena/Hall of Fame}}
==Warnings==
{{TNE|time=02:53, July 11, 2010 (UTC)|happytext=Good thought... ^_^}}
{{SilverCrono|time=20:23, December 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=[http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Kingdom_Hearts_Wiki_talk:Mirage_Arena/Archive_1#MA_Warning_templates_.3F I know TNE asked this before], but I wanna know if we need them. I've read threats to people, like "One more and you get a warning!" or something like that, so I wanted to know if you guys wanted me to make some templates. I'd be happy to do it.}}


== Edit Count ==
==Edit Count==
{{Asif|confused=I know that I don't have enough edits to vote yet, but I just have one or two questions. The rules ask users to check for Mainspace, Image, Main Page, Template, Walkthrough, Card, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, and MediaWiki edits; however, the edit count lists them as Main, Talk, User, User Talk, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, Kingdom Hearts Wiki Talk, File, Template, Help, and Forum edits.  Might the rules be adjusted to work with these names (I don't know how many card, walkthrough, etc. edits I have, which makes it fairly confusing).  Also, are we counting the edits we've made on other Wikia wikis as valid?}}
Worry not, my friend. In the break time we will take after the Join Struggle Tournament ends we will discuss and revise the rules and the edit count thing might just fall on ground. [[User:Redeemer &amp; Destroyer|Redeemer &amp; Destroyer]] 20:25, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
:For the time being at least, no, other Wikis are not counted. This Wiki only.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}20:58, January 7, 2011 (UTC)


I thought you guys had agreed on 100?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:02, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
== Time to open. ==
:I have no idea what made them change to 75... {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 00:06, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
We agreed (Me and R&D) that it would be more appropriate due to the slower activity here. {{KKDSig|1}}


I hadn't noticed the part that said "quality edits". How do we measure whether an edit is "quality" or not? Save for vandalism, and a vandal would be banned long before they hit 75 edits, what makes any mainspace edit better or worse than another one?{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}04:06, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
{{R&D|time=18:05, 10 February 2011 (EST)|happy=So we are here at the new KHWiki. And it's obviously time to re-open the MA. So I guess it's ok the start the nominations for the first battle of the Second Round! Or should we wait Friday (tomorrow)?}}
:We're the team, right ? We can always keep a tab on those who are voting through Contribs. If the user's bound to be a vandal, we confront him and if needed, we remove his vote. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 04:15, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
{{SC|time=18:10, 10 February 2011 (EST)|happy=Nah, start noms now.}}
::"Slower activity"? Redeemer himself doesn't have 100 mainspace edits. It would be hypocritical to tell users they can't vote when the one who helped start the whole thing hasn't even achieved the required goal. And anyway, we don't want to be complete Nazis when it comes to this. 100 mainspace edits are a bit much, after all. I think we need a number that isn't too high, but not so low that we accept users who barely contribute. The idea is to have something fun for regulars, and we do not want people coming to the wiki just to participate. U suggest a number between 40 and 70. Also, I think Image contributions should count as well, as there are many users (such as myself) that participate in the wiki and have mass image-contributions. That's all I ever do around here anymore anyway. --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 04:20, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
{{LapisScarab|time=18:13, 10 February 2011 (EST)|text=Thursday is a random time to start noms. Starting tomorrow would give a little more time for everyone to prepare. But you're in charge of it, R&D.}}
Now that I think about it, we need to re-consider the edit thing a lot. {{KKDSig|1}}
Tomorrow it is!{{User:Demonic Saint/Sig}}
{{Asif|sho=Shouldn't we vote on a new battle box?}}
{{R&D|time=19:15, 10 February 2011 (EST)|isee=I'm not sure... hmm... I'll ask KKD.}}


:::Lego is right... I belive Images contibution must be counted too... I think I'll add it to the rules. But I must discuss with KKD first.{{User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig}}04:24, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
== Temporary Management ==
Okay, spaces to be accepted : '''Mainspace, Image, Template (if we know the person has been contributing to templates on the Main Pages), Card, Walkthrough (in future), Kingdom Hearts Wiki, MediaWiki'''. This is just like mod elections. Other spaces will be taken into account only if we have a clear background of what the user has done in general. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 04:26, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


:This changes everything. Altought, keeping track of all this will be hard. Thank God we have the Contrib pages. So I'm changain quality mainspace edits to quality edits.{{User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig}}04:31, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
{{Chitalian8|time=22:01, 24 April 2011 (EDT)|sad= Since DS seems to be on break, and KKD has apparently left, a few people should take care of the MA while they're gone. I suppose I could help with it a little, like updating the current battle or writing fight descriptions. Anyone else is free to assist.}}
Good thought. It's never too late to mend ! ^_^ {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 04:32, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
{{Asif|shonormal=I'll help too.  I can help with archiving things and checking to see if everyone's following the nomination policy or has a high enough edit count.}}
{{DTN|time=22:11, 24 April 2011 (EDT)|text=Seems fine, especially if the arena seems to be falling behind or apart. If you two are up for the job, then by all means, go right ahead.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=03:24, 27 April 2011 (EDT)|text=I can do the battle descriptions if you want, now that I'm getting back into the swing of things a bit. }}


=== Grandeur Return ===
So far I have 67 Mainspace edits, and 1 Kingdom Hearts Wiki edit. That's 68 quality edits(Right?). But I'm making maps for TNE's walkthrough. Does that count?--[[User:Keyblade0|Keyblade0]] 03:05, July 14, 2010 (UTC)Keyblade0
{{R&D|time=19:09, 2 May 2011 (EDT)|happy=<big><big><big>'''I RETURN!!'''</big></big></big> (it was grandeur after all) Thanks guys for taking care of everything during my unannounced absence. And I would appreciate you if you guys would still help me with it since my life is still not <s>boring</s> settled enough for me to focus on the MA all the time.}}
:I'm not sure... That would easily make 26 edits from there. I think I'll let the rest decide. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 03:07, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
{{Asif|shohappy=Good to see you're back! And I'll be sure to still help out, don't worry.
::Yep, it counts. In a way, it's a quality edit. Fine by me.{{User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig}}03:12, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
:::So we're going with 75 edits? Man, I won't get on here in a while (not much to do, don't own a KH game...) --[[User:SilverCrono|<font color=darkkhaki>'''シルバ'''</font>]] [[User talk:SilverCrono|<font color=black>'''クロノ'''</font>]] 03:13, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
:Just a thought... what about Talk pages? Not usertalk, but the ones linked to articles... usually those are productive edits, and go toward bettering the article. Lego thought of this first, but he's not here to ask right now. {{KKDSig|1}}
::Truth be told, 75% of Talk Page edits are useless stuff. The users [[User:Hotdragon 295‎|Hotdragon 295‎]] and [[User:Oh,how the sea calls‎|Oh,how the sea calls‎]] are exemple of this. They revive old topics just for the heck of doing it, using information that is known to almost everyone and sometimes <s>Oh,how the sea calls‎</s> they are bashful on their messages.{{User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig}}03:24, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
Speaking of whom... he's rather frustrated right now because no one actually gave him a lowdown of the rules. Had anyone even thought of showing him the MOS in my absence ?! No ! {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 03:37, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
:not even crossed my mind, sorry.{{User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig}}03:40, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
/me sighs. This is PATHETIC ! But I forgive you. The next time, if someone asks for how the rules and spoilers are dealt with over here, show the MOS and the Spoiler Policy. Those are two core documents which we can't afford to even forget. KHFR sums it up into one - the MOS - so it's easier for the side of Darkness ; yet, it's still not an excuse for driving a new user to resentment. For all you know he'd have been a great contributor had he truly understood everything. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 03:46, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
:Wait! For what I "talked" to him, He didn't ask for the rules... now I see he asked to Lapis. So it isn't technically my fault. Only if I fault on not stalking him enough.{{User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig}}03:52, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
:No one showed me the MoS or spoiler policy when I got here, and look how i turned out!<small> No joke.</small> {{KKDSig|1}}
::This is nonsense. We have the [[Card:Main Page]] which is begging for edits, is ''not'' gnome work, and requires NO PHYSICAL RESOURCES. We also have the Gallery: space, where all you have to do is go to [[Special:UnusedFiles]] and post the images in whichever galleries they apply to. There's no reason to be lowering the bar here - you should have at least 100 edits in mainspace articles ([main], Card:, and Gallery:). Talk pages should absolutely not count, as well as Templates (since that is mostly fiddling with talkboxes). Images and Kingdom Hearts Wiki maybe.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:33, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
@TNE: He just asked about (really just passively mentioned) the rules today, and never asked about the spoiler policy.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}05:38, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
:Not accusing anyone here, but *shrugs* I just showed them to him. I don't know how it is going to be easily controlled or monitored... if we don't want to have users flouting the rules. I think we have to make it a point to remember them nonetheless.


:As for spaces... the only few people who have been helping us with Templates can get their votes counted - Kryten being part of the fray - MediaWiki edits are for those with admin capabilities only, mods and below can't touch them - so is a restructuring in place or... ? {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 11:45, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and by the way, Command Styles are now considered weapons.  Is that okay with you?}}
::Well, the rules covers all that, including '''Cards'''. For Media... I found it unecessary, should I take it out? Main Templates, well, few users actually edit that stuff, and it doesn't have many edits to be done there, but it is still important.{{User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig}}17:58, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
{{Chitalian8|time=19:26, 2 May 2011 (EDT)|text= Welcome back! I couldn't help as much as As if, though, as schoolwork and my social life is catching up.}}
{{R&D|time=20:55, 2 May 2011 (EDT)|isee=Well, seeing that Drive Forms are considered Weapons I guess we can say that Command Styles, Shotlocks, Dimension Links, Abilities and all of the sort that is in battle but isn't a Character or Enemy falls under the Weapons category.}}


What!?!? I thought you guys agreed '''''only''''' on 75 edits. Why’d you change it to 125? :( --[[User:Keyblade0|Keyblade0]] 01:09, July 15, 2010 (UTC)Keyblade0
==Edit Count==
:Pfffft. We need to avoid the situation where after 75 edits, people would concentrate on the MA. This is not the purpose for it. It should be an ''incentive'' to edit. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 01:19, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
I've made enough edits, so how come my vote just dissapeared for the last battle?[[User:AlVan|AlVan]] 10:59, 1 May 2011 (EDT)AlVan
{{Asif|shoangry=Try reading the '''whole''' rule next time.


== Might I recommend... ==
"You must have at least 145 edits before voting. Check your editcount Here, by typing in your username. <big><big><big>'''Please check for: Mainspace, Image, Main Page, Template, Walkthrough, Card, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, and MediaWiki edits.'''</big></big></big>"


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If the above were used, you would only have '''34 edits'''.  Make more edits in the above areas, and '''then''' you'll be able to vote.}}
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{{TNE|time=13:46, July 13, 2010 (UTC)|shocktext=In its own box ? I'm not sure. I'll ask the admins. One thing's for sure - we can't direct everyone's attention to the MA first.


Staff and regulars, please throw in your feedback here.}}
Dude...Chill out.[[User:AlVan|AlVan]] 14:54, 10 May 2011 (EDT)


{{R&D|time=14:18, July 13, 2010 (UTC)|squall=I don't know. It is still to soon to do such thing. Waiting is the best. Once the users are more used with the Arena, maybe we could do that.}}
{{Asif|shosad=Sorry, that came out wrong. Didn't mean it to sound that angry.}}


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{{KKD|time=[[User:KingdomKeyDarkside|KingdomKeyDarkside]] 17:09, July 13, 2010 (UTC)|roxas2=Not quite yet. It's a bit too early to be throwing it on the front page. However, it's there already (in the form of a Trinity Report entry). If anything, it should be put under the "community" section on the sidebar for now.}}


== Tie ==
{{(Darth - Riku)|time=Come to the Dark Side! We have cooler Keyblades!|text=I actually feel that a Userpage shouldn't count because I spent a whole mess of edits trying to fix it and haven't really done anything for the Wiki yet. So I'm not voting till I do. Heck, maybe it doesn't count anyway...}}
{{Keyblade0|time= July 19,2010|text=Is there some kind of way to choose a winner during a tie?}}


{{LA|Vtext=Joint Struggle.
== The Edit Sections ==


But the Arena is on hiatus right now, so we're not doing anything soon.}}
Ok, I know this is probably going to make me a sound like a complete and utter idiot, but could someone please tell me how to make a nedit in the Walkthrough, Card and MediaWiki category.{{User:Darkheart3/Autosig}}


{{R&D|time=20:29, July 19, 2010 (UTC)|yes=This is still being worked on. Once everything is ready, the battle will be untied.}}
You can't make an edit in the MediaWiki category, only admins can do that. There is no Walkthroughspace, but edits to a personal walkthrough count. As for the Cardspace, just go to any Card: article and edit that. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 10:49, 7 May 2011 (EDT)


{{Keyblade0|time=July 19,2010|text= Is there a way I can help with the Joint Struggle?(also, are we going to move on to round 2?)}}
So I can't edit in the Mirage Arena because i'm not an admin?{{User:Darkheart3/Autosig}}
:...you could just edit in the mainspace, or the Card space. You don't need to edit all sections. --{{SilverCrono/Sig}} 02:50, 8 May 2011 (EDT)


{{R&D|time=03:44, July 20, 2010 (UTC)|text=Help? I'm not sure... I mean... people are helping the way they can but considering the circumstances of the reason the Arena is closed for now I don't know if your help is currently needed. Once the Arena is open again, you can help through vote checking (making sure the rules are being followed).
Ok, now i'm just damn confused. To put it simply, can I vote yet?{{User:Darkheart3/Autosig}}
:What part don't you get? Edit the mainspace, or the cardspace, or upload some images. '''NO''', you cannot vote yet, because you don't have enough edits. --{{SilverCrono/Sig}} 02:56, 8 May 2011 (EDT)


If youn wanna know more about the reason the Arena is closed and when it next battle will be check these foruns:
Oh sorry, I see now. I have get 145 edits in either of the categories. Sorry.{{User:Darkheart3/Autosig}}
*[[Forum:Dragon's Neck Colosseum, KH style|Dragon's Neck Colosseum, KH style]]
*[[Forum:Bye-Bye, Mirage Arena|Bye-Bye, Mirage Arena]]}}


{{LA|Vtext=Keyblade0: "Hiatus" means to be on an extended period of time where there is no activity.}}
== I don't think... ==


{{Keyblade0|time= July 20,2010|text=Sorry, I didn't see the word hiatus}}
... I still can take care of this place... life is a little insane right now... I just can't have this responsibility anymore. Please... someone take over it... I'll see if I can come back when vacation starts, but for now I'm gone... Good bye (tho, I might pass by the IRC every once in a while) {{User:Demonic Saint/Sig}}14:48, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
 
== Question about edit count ==
{{Kamikaze Pardee - Talk Bubble 1|time=08:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)|text=I'm wondering what exactly what one's edit count must involve in order to vote. Recently, my votes were removed from the Joint Struggle brackets and I'm wondering why. One the main page, it says:
 
"#<big>You must have at least '''130 edits''' before voting. Check your editcount [[Special:Editcount|Here]], by typing in your username. </big> Please check for: '''Mainspace, Image, Main Page, Template, Walkthrough, Card, Kingdom Hearts Wiki,''' and '''MediaWiki''' edits.",
 
and when I check my edit count it says I have over the 130 required. But where my question is that is it only '''Mainspace''' edits that count or what? It does not clearly state whether that is the case or not. Thanks in advance.}}
 
{{Chitalian8|time=11:02, 13 September 2011 (UTC)|talk= The rules state that edits in the Mainspace, Image, Main Page, Template, Walkthrough, Card, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, and MediaWiki spaces count. When you tally up your total edits in those spaces, you have 76 edits, which makes you ineligible for the Mirage Arena.}}
 
{{Kamikaze Pardee - Talk Bubble 1|time=23:20, 13 September 2011 (UTC)|text= Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I understand now.}}
 
{{Braviaggron|time=11:38, 5 October 2014 (UTC)|text=But when I check [[Special:Editcount|this]], I don't find all of those spaces that you mentionned. So what spaces count in the page I shown?}}
 
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=14:47, 5 October 2014 (UTC)|default2=The spaces above do exist, unless you haven't edited in them at all. For example, for [[Special:EditCount/KeybladeSpyMaster|<font color=#FFFFFF>me</font>]], Walkthrough, Card, and KHWiki spaces do appear. Mainspace is also there for both of us (it appears as (Main)), as does Template. Only admins can edit MediaWiki pages, so that won't appear. Main Page is no longer its own space, so that wouldn't appear, either. And Image is replaced with File. Just thought I'd let you know for future reference.
 
More importantly, the conversation above is old, and is no longer relevant to the Mirage Arena. Due to low activity, the edit requirement has been lowered to 100 total edits (as seen in the official rules on the Mirage Arena page). You have 146 total edits, so if you want, you can vote in the Mirage Arena. If, as time goes by, we have more activity and a need to restrict access to the Mirage Arena, we will, and it will show on the Official Rules section. As for now, that is the edit requirement, so you don't have to worry about specific areas of the EditCount to vote.}}
 
{{Braviaggron|time=15:05, 5 October 2014 (UTC)|text=Okay ! Now I understand ! If that's the entire of total edits that counts, then there's no problem ! Thanks ! :)}}
 
==Question==
''If you are not logged in when you vote, '''your vote will be removed.'''''
But if it gets removed ¿You can log and re-add it?--{{User:Lukethehedgehog/Signature}} 20:12, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
 
== Arena "Revamp" ==
 
{{SidTalk|time=08:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)|kitanji= Shouldn't this arena be open to every user on the wiki? I understand if this should be a reward, but the Mirage Arena can pull in more users (who are capable of working), and that would be beneficial to this wiki. Also, the Mirage Arena can do with more voters, which would be an even bigger opportunity to pull in new contributors. }}
 
{{Pea14733|time=18:11, 4 February 2012 (UTC)|mrhintr= Well, they have editcount requirement to prevent sockpuppets, don't they? But It'd be great if the editcount required is lower...}}
 
{{17m|time=18:18, 4 February 2012 (UTC)|BeatNormal2= IMO 145 editcounts is low enough. Especially with stuff that can be done due to the merge. But yeah, making the MA public isn't a bad idea. Sockpuppets can be detected as well (and I doubt there are many here) so I don't see why not.}}
 
{{ErryTalk|time=18:21, 4 February 2012 (UTC)|edea=The editcounts are 130 and I think that's low enough, they could be lowered to 100 if we're desperate.}}
{{Chitalian8|time=19:57, 4 February 2012 (UTC)|nekutalk= I'm okay with it going as low as 80-ish, but that seems to be too low for everyone else.}}
{{LightRoxas|young=One of the reasons I actually started editing was so I could vote. Having the requirement gives users a reason to work.}}
 
==Keyhole Edits==
{{Coldasfire|time={{User:Coldasfire/Sig1}}21:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)|text=Do edits on the Keyhole count for your 130? I have 700 edits there, and 50ish here :P}}
{{Maggosh|flint=Does this look like the Keyhole?}}
 
== What happenned? ==
 
What happened with the arena? Is it stopped? - {{User:MateusinhoEX/SigTemplate}} 12:45, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 
Looks like the ideas simply stopped coming, thus there wasn't a way to continue it.--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 17:14, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
 
== Visual Revamp ==
 
So this is a tiny little suggestion - not very big!  But still!  It's just for the sake of looking pretty:  Rather than post just plain renders for the characters, why not use use the cards from Chi!?  1-They're pretty!  2-They're more dynamic!  3-Just about every character in the franchise is covered.  4-If they aren't, ''I'll just make it!''  Yay or nay?  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 03:44, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:I'm afraid I just don't see the appeal. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:49, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
::[http://www.khwiki.com/File:Riku_KHII.png This] or [http://www.khwiki.com/images/1/18/Card_00000882_KHX.png this]?  Yeah...I mean, don't worry about it lol.  It's just a small suggestion, and I made it knowing full well that visual appeal can be lost on some folks.  It's not a big deal.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 04:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
:::not sure about that for the mirage arena [[User:Kunoichi101|Kunoichi101]] ([[User talk:Kunoichi101|talk]])
 
== Banner ==
 
Dunno, how many of you guys can see this. But with photobucket's current policy, it messed with how the banner for the Mirage Arena appears. It's just a minor annoyance, but can be get around by a right click.--[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 03:07, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
:Yeah, it's pretty publicly visible. We're working on a replacement plan for the most widely used images and such, hopefully will be in place by next month. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 05:48, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
 
== A bit quiet these days ==
 
Shame there's so little activity on the Wiki these days, not many votes here as result.--[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 14:11, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 
== What to do with Mirage Arena ==
i know it's been a long time since then. as the only member of Mirage Arena, should we continue or start over the battle page etc? i advise SilentHero-san to discuss on this talk page as possible.[[User:Kunoichi101|Kunoichi101]] ([[User talk:Kunoichi101|talk]]) 20:19, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
:Honestly, I've lost interest in maintaining the Mirage Arena. You're free to take over yourself or find someone else who wants to. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 20:19, 25 October 2018

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Talk Page Archives

What exactly is Joint Struggle?[edit]

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SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. "Looks like you're prepared."

"What is with you and picking up stray puppies?" — 02:16, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Isa_bbs.png Please elaborate.


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ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person
TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Vanitas Sprite KHBBS.pngthe way i understand it, it's where they take the winners from the past MA battles and pit them against each other Keyblade War style



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Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves.

Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 02:32, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png Are we gonna use a randomizer to pick the seeds? One thing that has piqued my curiosity is will there be things like "Vanitas vs. Radiant Garden"? Because honestly, I don't know how that's gonna play out. World vs. Character, Song vs. World, how will those kinds of matches happen?
Pretty much what ShadowsTwilight said. Yes, the seeds will be randomized, so it's anybody's guess as to how it's going to play out. We've been planning the Joint Struggle since the conception of the Mirage Arena itself, and I'm hoping it'll be well received. You can expect the brackets and revised rules sometime this week, and the tournament should open in a week or so. After it's all over, we're gonna take a bit of a break from the Mirage Arena, and have a community-wide forum on how this first round went, and what we can improve on/fix. We've got a surprise waiting in the wings for all of you, so be on your toes... KKDf51ce887-d120-4b89-8cff-afbff03976aa_zps7f114bcc.png

Warnings[edit]

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SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. "Looks like you're prepared."

"What is with you and picking up stray puppies?" — 20:23, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Isa_bbs.png I know TNE asked this before, but I wanna know if we need them. I've read threats to people, like "One more and you get a warning!" or something like that, so I wanted to know if you guys wanted me to make some templates. I'd be happy to do it.

Edit Count[edit]

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Xigbar's Replica Data KHIIFM.pngAS IF!Xigbar's Replica Data KHIIFM.png I have the right to know!
I know that I don't have enough edits to vote yet, but I just have one or two questions. The rules ask users to check for Mainspace, Image, Main Page, Template, Walkthrough, Card, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, and MediaWiki edits; however, the edit count lists them as Main, Talk, User, User Talk, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, Kingdom Hearts Wiki Talk, File, Template, Help, and Forum edits. Might the rules be adjusted to work with these names (I don't know how many card, walkthrough, etc. edits I have, which makes it fairly confusing). Also, are we counting the edits we've made on other Wikia wikis as valid?

Worry not, my friend. In the break time we will take after the Join Struggle Tournament ends we will discuss and revise the rules and the edit count thing might just fall on ground. Redeemer & Destroyer 20:25, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

For the time being at least, no, other Wikis are not counted. This Wiki only.LapisLazuliScarab20:58, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Time to open.[edit]

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So we are here at the new KHWiki. And it's obviously time to re-open the MA. So I guess it's ok the start the nominations for the first battle of the Second Round! Or should we wait Friday (tomorrow)?
Demonic Saint Yeah! You gotta be funny, like us! — 18:05, 10 February 2011 (EST)
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SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. "Hmph. You're obnoxious."

"I know I won't forget you. Believe me, I try all the time." — 18:10, 10 February 2011 (EST)

Isa_bbs.png Nah, start noms now.
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LapisScarab - Xemnas (card).png You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? Nobody.png
TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
Interdiction KHD.png Thursday is a random time to start noms. Starting tomorrow would give a little more time for everyone to prepare. But you're in charge of it, R&D.

Tomorrow it is!Is the answer to this question no?

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Item_2383.png AS IF! Item_2383.png The world is garbage! CRUNCH!
Shouldn't we vote on a new battle box?
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I'm not sure... hmm... I'll ask KKD.
Demonic Saint We're outsiders, so wouldn't that be muddling? — 19:15, 10 February 2011 (EST)

Temporary Management[edit]

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Chitalian8 Say... — Every Player had to give up something. Everybody makes sacrifices.

It was me. All of it. — 22:01, 24 April 2011 (EDT)

20px-Pin_000.png Since DS seems to be on break, and KKD has apparently left, a few people should take care of the MA while they're gone. I suppose I could help with it a little, like updating the current battle or writing fight descriptions. Anyone else is free to assist.
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Item_2383.png AS IF! Item_2383.png The world is garbage! CRUNCH!
I'll help too. I can help with archiving things and checking to see if everyone's following the nomination policy or has a high enough edit count.
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DoorToNothing Heartless Emblem.png — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven!

And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 22:11, 24 April 2011 (EDT)

Keyblade-Blk.png Seems fine, especially if the arena seems to be falling behind or apart. If you two are up for the job, then by all means, go right ahead.
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LapisScarab - Xemnas (card).png You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? Nobody.png
TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
Interdiction KHD.png I can do the battle descriptions if you want, now that I'm getting back into the swing of things a bit.

Grandeur Return[edit]

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I RETURN!! (it was grandeur after all) Thanks guys for taking care of everything during my unannounced absence. And I would appreciate you if you guys would still help me with it since my life is still not boring settled enough for me to focus on the MA all the time.
Demonic Saint Yeah! You gotta be funny, like us! — 19:09, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
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Item_2383.png AS IF! Item_2383.png The world is garbage! CRUNCH!
Good to see you're back! And I'll be sure to still help out, don't worry.

Oh, and by the way, Command Styles are now considered weapons. Is that okay with you?

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Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves.

Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 19:26, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

20px-Pin_000.png Welcome back! I couldn't help as much as As if, though, as schoolwork and my social life is catching up.
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Well, seeing that Drive Forms are considered Weapons I guess we can say that Command Styles, Shotlocks, Dimension Links, Abilities and all of the sort that is in battle but isn't a Character or Enemy falls under the Weapons category.
Demonic Saint We're outsiders, so wouldn't that be muddling? — 20:55, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

Edit Count[edit]

I've made enough edits, so how come my vote just dissapeared for the last battle?AlVan 10:59, 1 May 2011 (EDT)AlVan

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Item_2383.png AS IF! Item_2383.png The world is garbage! CRUNCH!
Try reading the whole rule next time.

"You must have at least 145 edits before voting. Check your editcount Here, by typing in your username. Please check for: Mainspace, Image, Main Page, Template, Walkthrough, Card, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, and MediaWiki edits."

If the above were used, you would only have 34 edits. Make more edits in the above areas, and then you'll be able to vote.

Dude...Chill out.AlVan 14:54, 10 May 2011 (EDT)


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Item_2383.png AS IF! Item_2383.png The world is garbage! CRUNCH!
Sorry, that came out wrong. Didn't mean it to sound that angry.


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LightRoxas - "Humans can be terrible creatures indeed."
TALK - "Now, kill me... or I... shall kill YOU!"
I feel like Gallery space edits should count toward the total.


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Darth - Riku - This battle isn't over. And until it is, I still need the power of darkness!
TALK - Come to the Dark Side! We have cooler Keyblades!
I actually feel that a Userpage shouldn't count because I spent a whole mess of edits trying to fix it and haven't really done anything for the Wiki yet. So I'm not voting till I do. Heck, maybe it doesn't count anyway...

The Edit Sections[edit]

Ok, I know this is probably going to make me a sound like a complete and utter idiot, but could someone please tell me how to make a nedit in the Walkthrough, Card and MediaWiki category.Heartless Emblem.pngDarkheart3 Nobody.png

You can't make an edit in the MediaWiki category, only admins can do that. There is no Walkthroughspace, but edits to a personal walkthrough count. As for the Cardspace, just go to any Card: article and edit that. Chitalian8 10:49, 7 May 2011 (EDT)

So I can't edit in the Mirage Arena because i'm not an admin?Heartless Emblem.pngDarkheart3 Nobody.png

...you could just edit in the mainspace, or the Card space. You don't need to edit all sections. --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono Vsymbol1.png 02:50, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

Ok, now i'm just damn confused. To put it simply, can I vote yet?Heartless Emblem.pngDarkheart3 Nobody.png

What part don't you get? Edit the mainspace, or the cardspace, or upload some images. NO, you cannot vote yet, because you don't have enough edits. --Ag (Silver) - 47 107.8682 amu ~Crono Vsymbol1.png 02:56, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

Oh sorry, I see now. I have get 145 edits in either of the categories. Sorry.Heartless Emblem.pngDarkheart3 Nobody.png

I don't think...[edit]

... I still can take care of this place... life is a little insane right now... I just can't have this responsibility anymore. Please... someone take over it... I'll see if I can come back when vacation starts, but for now I'm gone... Good bye (tho, I might pass by the IRC every once in a while) Is the answer to this question no?14:48, 15 May 2011 (EDT)

Question about edit count[edit]

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Kamikaze Pardee - My imagination is my power!
TALK - 08:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm wondering what exactly what one's edit count must involve in order to vote. Recently, my votes were removed from the Joint Struggle brackets and I'm wondering why. One the main page, it says:

"#You must have at least 130 edits before voting. Check your editcount Here, by typing in your username. Please check for: Mainspace, Image, Main Page, Template, Walkthrough, Card, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, and MediaWiki edits.",

and when I check my edit count it says I have over the 130 required. But where my question is that is it only Mainspace edits that count or what? It does not clearly state whether that is the case or not. Thanks in advance.



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Chitalian8 Say... — And here's me, playing the world's tiniest violin.

Your face is priceless. — 11:02, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png The rules state that edits in the Mainspace, Image, Main Page, Template, Walkthrough, Card, Kingdom Hearts Wiki, and MediaWiki spaces count. When you tally up your total edits in those spaces, you have 76 edits, which makes you ineligible for the Mirage Arena.


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Kamikaze Pardee - My imagination is my power!
TALK - 23:20, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for clearing that up. I understand now.



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Braviaggron I contribute. Miniat_Braviaggron.png 11:38, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
But when I check this, I don't find all of those spaces that you mentionned. So what spaces count in the page I shown?


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KeybladeSpyMaster - There will always be a Door to the light !
TALK - Symbol Character - Mickey.png Helping others always comes before asking others for help! - 08:47 AM Sun, October 5, 2014 MDT
Diamond Dust Keychain KHFM.png The spaces above do exist, unless you haven't edited in them at all. For example, for me, Walkthrough, Card, and KHWiki spaces do appear. Mainspace is also there for both of us (it appears as (Main)), as does Template. Only admins can edit MediaWiki pages, so that won't appear. Main Page is no longer its own space, so that wouldn't appear, either. And Image is replaced with File. Just thought I'd let you know for future reference.

More importantly, the conversation above is old, and is no longer relevant to the Mirage Arena. Due to low activity, the edit requirement has been lowered to 100 total edits (as seen in the official rules on the Mirage Arena page). You have 146 total edits, so if you want, you can vote in the Mirage Arena. If, as time goes by, we have more activity and a need to restrict access to the Mirage Arena, we will, and it will show on the Official Rules section. As for now, that is the edit requirement, so you don't have to worry about specific areas of the EditCount to vote. Diamond Dust Keychain KHFM.png


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Braviaggron I contribute. Miniat_Braviaggron.png 15:05, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Okay ! Now I understand ! If that's the entire of total edits that counts, then there's no problem ! Thanks ! :)

Question[edit]

If you are not logged in when you vote, your vote will be removed. But if it gets removed ¿You can log and re-add it?--Lukethehedgehog 20:12, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Arena "Revamp"[edit]

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SidVI - Rejoice! Victory is at hand!

I cannot possibly lose! — 08:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't this arena be open to every user on the wiki? I understand if this should be a reward, but the Mirage Arena can pull in more users (who are capable of working), and that would be beneficial to this wiki. Also, the Mirage Arena can do with more voters, which would be an even bigger opportunity to pull in new contributors.


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Pea14733 Knowing it in your head doesn't mean much if you don't act on it. — 18:11, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, they have editcount requirement to prevent sockpuppets, don't they? But It'd be great if the editcount required is lower...


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17master - Yo, is it true they sell curry here? A secret base ain't nothin' widdout curry, yo!
TALK - Brotha' ain't a Liar. Brotha's a ramen man. A ramen man who knows how to make curry! - 18:18, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
IMO 145 editcounts is low enough. Especially with stuff that can be done due to the merge. But yeah, making the MA public isn't a bad idea. Sockpuppets can be detected as well (and I doubt there are many here) so I don't see why not.


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Erry - Wretched SeeD
TALK - -CESONIV SOCEW CESUL SOHTIF- + -FITHOS LUSEC WECOS VINOSEC- ~ 18:21, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
IHm1Edc.png The editcounts are 130 and I think that's low enough, they could be lowered to 100 if we're desperate.
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Chitalian8 Say... — And here's me, playing the world's tiniest violin.

Your face is priceless. — 19:57, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png I'm okay with it going as low as 80-ish, but that seems to be too low for everyone else.
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LightRoxas - "It was the sound of books... pages being turned. So, that's just what I was doing, just reading, uh... books. So not a moron."
TALK - "Apparently when you scream at a marshmallow, all you get is a scared marshmallow."
One of the reasons I actually started editing was so I could vote. Having the requirement gives users a reason to work.

Keyhole Edits[edit]

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Coldasfire - Eternal Flames KHII.pngHey, I feel like we're friends already.Eternal Flames KHII.png
TALK - Chaos Crystal KHBBS.pngGet it memorized already.Freezing Cold21:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)Chaos Crystal KHBBS.png
Do edits on the Keyhole count for your 130? I have 700 edits there, and 50ish here :P
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maggosh ...the flint is struck. "Maybe I should punish you after all."

"Come on! Show a little backbone!"

Does this look like the Keyhole?

What happenned?[edit]

What happened with the arena? Is it stopped? - MateusinhoEX 12:45, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Looks like the ideas simply stopped coming, thus there wasn't a way to continue it.--ShadowsTwilightΧ-blade (Incomplete) KHBBS.png 17:14, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Visual Revamp[edit]

So this is a tiny little suggestion - not very big! But still! It's just for the sake of looking pretty: Rather than post just plain renders for the characters, why not use use the cards from Chi!? 1-They're pretty! 2-They're more dynamic! 3-Just about every character in the franchise is covered. 4-If they aren't, I'll just make it! Yay or nay? --Ignis (talk) 03:44, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm afraid I just don't see the appeal. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:49, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
This or this? Yeah...I mean, don't worry about it lol. It's just a small suggestion, and I made it knowing full well that visual appeal can be lost on some folks. It's not a big deal. --Ignis (talk) 04:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
not sure about that for the mirage arena Kunoichi101 (talk)

[edit]

Dunno, how many of you guys can see this. But with photobucket's current policy, it messed with how the banner for the Mirage Arena appears. It's just a minor annoyance, but can be get around by a right click.--Doggieboy9 (talk) 03:07, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, it's pretty publicly visible. We're working on a replacement plan for the most widely used images and such, hopefully will be in place by next month. Diamond Dust Keychain KHFM.pngKeybladeSpyMaster Diamond Dust Keychain KHFM.png 05:48, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

A bit quiet these days[edit]

Shame there's so little activity on the Wiki these days, not many votes here as result.--Doggieboy9 (talk) 14:11, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

What to do with Mirage Arena[edit]

i know it's been a long time since then. as the only member of Mirage Arena, should we continue or start over the battle page etc? i advise SilentHero-san to discuss on this talk page as possible.Kunoichi101 (talk) 20:19, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Honestly, I've lost interest in maintaining the Mirage Arena. You're free to take over yourself or find someone else who wants to. TheSilentHero 17:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)