Forum:New forum proposal - "Heartless Manufactory"

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Forums: Index > The Realm of Sleep > New forum proposal - "Heartless Manufactory"

KrytenKoro - "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life."
Or "Kingdom Hearts", but that would be a byotch on the categories.

Anyway, we all know that we have a problem with getting personal-attacky in debates and edit comments, and I can definitely say that, as the biggest jerkass on the wiki, I'm hardly setting a good example. So, the proposal is basically like this:

  • We institute a no-tolerance policy for personal attacks. Any personal attack, no matter the "seniority" of the editor in question or the "rightness" of their viewpoint, gets a warning.
  • However, if you get a warning for a personal attack, you can choose to volunteer at the Heartless Manufactory with whoever you attacked.
  • When you do so, a third editor (has to be registered, but otherwise can be anybody) chooses a needed task for you and the person you were fighting with to work on: creating a "wanted article", filling in the notes archives for one of the Projects, categorizing images, replacing image links, etc.
  • Once you and the other editor complete this task, the warning is removed from your talk page, and for all intents and purposes it never happened.

Basically, it's a "learn to appreciate each other OR go to jail" type of idea. And as the worst offender, I'll even do one with each person I've insulted in the past, if they want to.


The Inexistent - All the world's a puzzle, and I the one who made it so...
EVIL has come... at last...
I'm not for a long answer this time, so I'll just second it.
LapisScarab - Xemnas (card).png You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? Nobody.png
TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
Interdiction KHD.png Why not, better than just slapping people with wanings and pissing them off more.

Quick question though. How would we define a "personal attack" exactly? Is it just being an ass to a user in general, or more specific?

Neumannz — ATTENTION, DUELISTS! If you could all stop staring at my hair for a moment...
TALK — Those child-grabbing classes were worth every penny!
— 00:44, 18 February 2011 (EST)


Sounds like a sound idea to me. Makes more sense then "be nice or else", which is less effective for regular and prolific editors. And it'll finally give us an official way to remove warnings, which I don't believe we've had.

KrytenKoro - "Space Corp Directive 195—In an emergency power situation, a hologrammatic crew member must lay down his life in order that the living crew members might survive."
 "Yes, but Rimmer Directive 271 states just as clearly: 'No chance, you metal bastard.'"

Well, we could always define it as "being an ass like Kryten always is".

But seriously, any type of ad hominem attack. For example, when Kronos told me I was stupid, and I told Kronos not be a twat. We would get warnings, and go to the Manufactory to get an assignment. (Technically it happened on the other wiki, but if he wants to, I'll go first with him)

The Inexistent - All your base are belong to us...
TALK - What you say?!?
When you say "New forum", do you mean that this will be a new forum entirely? If so, I believe it would be a problem. A sixth forum? Well, I suppose that we could just send The Keyblade War to Oblivion and get the inevitable over with...
SilverCrono Well, I can tell who you are. "Looks like you're prepared."

"What is with you and picking up stray puppies?" — 20:39, 18 February 2011 (EST)

Isa_bbs.png Meh... sounds like too much work just for being a douche. Which I'm good at. So yas. Nay.

The Inexistent - Dusk, Light to Darkness...
TALK - The great transition.
That, I believe, dear Crono, is the point. Once you go through all of this crap once, it will hopefully deter you from repeating the offense (kinda like prison). At the same time, it will also keep those who are causing trouble busy.
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FA icon.png Well, well, if it isn't something other than retribution. I second the idea wholeheartedly. ^_^

EDIT 05:05, 19 February 2011 (EST) : I'd also go with Heartless Manufactory for the name — the header is easier to handle than Kingdom Hearts (and in fact, I've handled it). All there needs to be now is the go-ahead from everyone else.

I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! TroisNyxÉtienne — 04:18, 19 February 2011 (EST)

Item_2383.png AS IF! Item_2383.png The world is garbage! CRUNCH!
I like this idea. It's better then constantly handing out warnings, and it'll help the wiki too.

And as for the name, I like "Heartless Manufactory", but I think that calling it "The Door to Darkness" would fit too, considering it takes two keys to seal it.

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Ultima - Cake and grief counseling will be available at the conclusion of the test.
Sounds like a good idea.
-12:17, 19 February 2011 (EST)
KingdomKeyDarkside - But then, when all hope had died, and the hour of doom seemed at hand...
TALK - a young boy clothed in green appeared as if from nowhere. Master_Sword_Twilight_Princess-1.png ~ 13:58, 19 February 2011 (EST)
25px-Triforce_%28Ocarina_of_Time%29.png Me likey. Sounds good to me.
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CaelumLucisCaliga - Why do I feel so... 2-dimensional?
TALK - 15:06, 19 February 2011 (EST)
Heartless Emblem.pngsounds interesting. Nice. :)
Dan Mobile sprite-soradance.png - My friends are my power! — 15:20, 19 February 2011 (EST)
Dans-Crown.png Sounds good to me. "Heartless Manufactory" sound alright for a name, but I must say, I do like As if's suggestion about the "Door to Darkness" name.
Mechajin Walky Talky Page! :D — I fight for my friends! Nothing More, Nothing Less!

Friendship is the most important thing you can have!!Mechajin 15:32, 19 February 2011 (EST)Riku Save Face KHII.png

I think that this is a brilliant idea! I think that "The Door to Darkness" is a better name, because opening/closing it requires cooperation just like this will!Mobile rikukh1.png Mechajin I fight for my friends!
Symphony Master
LevL Fear my mighty instruments! — 15:52, 19 February 2011 (EST)
This sounds like a good idea to me.
RoxasNobody - You make a good other.
TALK - No one would miss me. -15:58, 19 February 2011 (EST)
Sounds good, but "Door to Darkness" does sound a little better.
Erry - Deep Drive
TALK - Moon shine down. ~ 16:25, 19 February 2011 (EST)
8tE68DV.png I'm all up for this. Don't really care what it's named, but it seems good.

Well, then they will keep the warnings. The other half who are willing to participate, on the other hand, will most likely be able to hook up with another person who either wishes to help, or had another noob who doesn't want to help. KRCCFNF is tired of being STEPPED ON. 17:50, 20 February 2011 (EST)

To be fair, a lot of the problem is arseholes like me who delight in passive aggression (or outright aggression, as the case may be).
However, if the second user refuses to go to the manufactory...I guess the first can still go. However, one of the main points of this idea is not just "to be like prison", but to force the two offenders to see how helpful the other can be. That doesn't work so well when it's just two random people. However, as long as it is a much rarer and last resort scenario, being paired up with someone unrelated can be an option."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 22:24, 20 February 2011 (EST)
Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves.

Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 22:52, 20 February 2011 (EST)

20px-Pin_000.png Looks like a sound idea. I'm good with the name. But if there are repeated offenders, i.e. people who constantly bash other users, would they be allowed to go to the Manufactory as many times as they want, and we'd let all of their offenses slide? Or is there a limit to how many warnings you can drop?
KrytenKoro - "Hurricane beats all housing or apartments. This sucker is a Cat-6!"
Again, once you complete a trip to the Manufactory, your offense never happened. Nobody jags you for it, it isn't used against you in any way, and the warning is erased from your talk page.
Goofy (Talk sprite) 6 KHCOM.png
Can I go first!? *shot*

Like I ever was a bashful user <.< *shot again*

Okay... enough... I like the idea very much!

And both names are okay, but may I propose I third one? "Castle Oblivion". I know there wasn't much Co-oping in CoM but Castle Oblivion would fit as a name since it involves "erasing memories" (in this case, offenses), it takes two people (a Sora and a Riku. Or a Riku and a Mickey.. or whatever) and a third one to choose a task (Naminé and DiZ anyone?)
But, whatever.

Again, great idea.

Demonic Saint Yeah! You gotta be funny, like us! — 15:20, 22 February 2011 (EST)

I concur completely. Nice job. ^_^--Xion4ever 18:44, 26 February 2011 (EST)

I agree with KrytenKoro, as well.--NinjaSheik 15:53, 5 March 2011 (EST)

CaelumLucisCaliga updated his Facebook profile at 15:04, 11 March 2011 (EST)
Heartless Emblem.pngso when are we getting this show on the road?
KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow!" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT."
It IS on the road. As soon as somebody gets a warning for personal attacks, we can do our first run-through.
Item_2383.png AS IF! Item_2383.png The world is garbage! CRUNCH!
I think what he means is... when are we going to create the actual forum? You know, with a header and link from the forum page.
Chitalian8 Say... — And here's me, playing the world's tiniest violin.

Your face is priceless. — 21:52, 11 March 2011 (EST)

20px-Pin_000.png Thing is, As if, there's no real troublemakers here yet. Therefore, there's no point in making the new forum and letting it collect dust until we get some bad behavior here. We don't even show up on Google, of course trolls and troublemakers aren't gonna show up.
Item_2383.png AS IF! Item_2383.png The world is garbage! CRUNCH!
What about that guy who keeps spamming the wiki? (Don't worry; I know what you mean.)
KrytenKoro - This is the song that runs under the credits; these are the credits, so this is where it goes. 'has nothing to do with the movie so we'll say, "Hey! Hey! Hey hey hey hey hey hey!"
That's a bot.