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Vanitas and the Unversed

Xiggie Buy / Sell — Welcome! What do you wanna do? Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— 01:07, January 10, 2010 (UTC) Does anyone think that Vanitas is the cause of the Unversed "plague"? I mean, it seems to me that he is controlling them... as seen here. If anyone understands what the two are talking about... please enlighten us!

Terra Fae Odosson - Got it memorized? TALK - I do! I was shocked. I don't get why he looks like Sora. Saying he's Ven's darkness makes sense but I doubt that's all there is to it. If he is physically related to anyone I would say Master Xehanort. But about a new game. Did any one watch the secret ending but me? It said Reconnect Kingdom Hearts. I'm not suggesting that's what the new game shall be called but I mean that's the basis. It's all in the secret ending already on youtube. I didn't mean to sound snippy!

No clue what they're saying, but it does seem that Vanitas has some kind of control over the Unversed. And on that boss battle, his health seemed shockingly low when that's gotta be late in Ven's storyline. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

The Unversed appear to be the creation of Vanitas, who is the creation of Master Xehanort (with Ventus' help). Vanitas, being made of all of the Darkness that was extracted from Ventus' Heart, is possibly the first Unversed. The Unversed, as you know, are considered the opposite of human life. In the KH Universe, humans are denizens of the Realm of Light. Vanitas, though extracted from a human, is pure Darkness and therefore cannot be a denizen of Light. Thus making him a human from the Realm of Darkness, which would overall make Vanitas a sort of 'anti-human', or the opposite of Human life. Because Vanitas is comprised only of Darkness, it is implied that he would have some control over it and could even influence the Darkness into consciousness and form as the Unversed.

Interesting theory, but could you at least sign it? Raven's wing 11:52, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

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Gnut2.0 - It is the fate of a Nobody...And a Heartless...Anyone who gets in the way really... TALK - An entity shrouded in mystery...And idioms Hmmm, an intersting theory. But, if what you say is true, then that would make Xeanorts (not sure if I spelled that right) Heartless in the same family as Vanitas. But he's a Heartless, so would that make Vanitas a difrent breed of Heartless? Very puzzuling indeed. That would make it that there could possubly another uprising, yes?

D.Dark - Master of lame names! TALK - D.Dark. 02:24, January 11, 2010 (UTC) It kinda makes sense. Ansem (Xehanort's heartless..or Terra's heartless)= Heartless,Organization XIII =Nobody, Vanitas = Unversed(maybe). Alright Ansem is a heartless but has a human form, the organization is comprised of nobodies but they also have human forms (tough it was explained because they had like extra strong hearts or something)and Vanitas is maybe an Unversed and has human form. See the connection? Looks to me that people with extra strong hearts (Xehanort/Terra for example) can make heartless and nobodie in human form. Since we arent really sure about everything with the Unversed i cant say anything about Vanitas really. But it seems to me there are like ranks for these beings. Heartless = Shadows,Stronger Heartless,Boss Heartless and heartless like "Ansem". Nobody = Dusks/Creepers,stronger nobodies,even stronger ones (Twilight Thorn), the organization (cause they have human form), Unversed = The Unversed version of the Shadow heartless,stronger unversed,boss unversed (wheel master), Vanitas. So? Anything sparked in your brain?

Well it is known that Unversed are the opposite of human life and Vanitas is the darkness of Ventus or in other words his opposite. So it could be very well possible that Vanitas is the first Unversed. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Story

Ok. What the heck happened to the story section? Randomnessity Well, you won't vanish from my memories.

I'm wondering if we're allowed to actually start putting in the story information or do we have to wait for the English release for that? Lavaros

Well they want people to be careful for what they put on the page. In other words the poster must be absolutely, 100%, perfectly sure that what happened is exactly what happened, with a spoiler template added. And the literary part of the edit must be immaculate as well. In other words an important chunk of the story will be added when it comes out in English. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

I kind of saw that with 358/2 Days- but at this point, the important parts should be coming soon? There's likely some one out there who got the ISO(I do not endorse this option >..>) or bought the game who will eventually give information and clear up some of the confusion regarding why Vanitas looks like Sora because all I've seen so far is guess work. Lavaros

The majority of us here know all of the important things that happen. They're all over the talk pages. It's just a matter when we get a valid translation. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

That will take awhile, especially with all the people flooding the stream plays, I think some of the pages can start to be edited soon enough though, maybe not the story section, but Terra's, Aqua's and Ventus' Keyblades and Gameplay sections. Lavaros

Oh, the Keyblades and gameplay are well under way. It just takes some work and translating. The story is much more difficult and complicated. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Indeed, it really looks like Nomura decided to pull a Hideo Kojima on us. Lavaros

Yeah. And you don't have to type in your username everytime. You can just press the signature button above the edit box and that will take care of it. It's the button with the cursive writing. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Lavaros - Answer me Xehanort, what have you done to his heart!? TALK - So you've been watching over me... — 04:34, January 12, 2010 (UTC) Lucky me then, I've been given a fancy box by JFHavoc. Makes things so much easier (just copy and paste it really.) On the topic of Vanitas though, do we know if he survived within Ventus or sent in to Sora (explaining the resemblance.

KrytenKoro - Most bears were content to live their lives, mauling and eating one, maybe two humans at most. "Mass-murder," as the bears always said, "is for the sharks." But not Barry. Barry was different. He knew that one day, he would kill ALL of the humans. This is the inspiring, tear-jerking story of one bear and the dream he dared to dream. TALK - Even if Vanitas is inside Sora (and we do know there is some darkness within him), Sora was already a 4-year old kid during this game, and he looked mostly as he does now, just shorter. Really, it's seeming more and more like Nomura made a huge mess out of this situation.

One-Winged Angel "The things you want to say the most are the things you fight yourself the hardest not to say." TALK - Do you think you can erase your past? - 22:43 January 11,2010 I think I figured it out but it's confusing. Master Eraqus told Ven he wasn't supposed to exist. It makes sense I guess if you think Ven was supposed to stay a part of Sora's heart because in the secret ending, Ven tells Sora he has to join with his heart again. Adding to this infomation, Vanitas is supposed to be the darkness extracted from Ven's heart. So if Vanitas is the darkness of Ven's heart, and the latter was a part of Sora's heart, it would make sense that Vanitas would look like Sora(except older).

Lavaros - Answer me Xehanort, what have you done to his heart!? TALK - So you've been watching over me... — 08:01, January 12, 2010 (UTC) Well that makes things a little bit clearer, and so far, Terra's connection to Riku is that he chose him to be a Keyblade wielder one day? (possibly wanting to take him on as an apprentice, I think?) And Kairi's connection to Aqua is... that she talked to her one time?

KingdomKeyDarkside - A scattered dream that's like a far-off memory. A far off memory that's like a scattered dream. TALK - I want to line the pieces up, yours, and mine.22:52, January 19, 2010 (UTC) Kryten: He had light hair as a 4 year old, dark hair as a 14 year old (until he stabbed himself) and light hair again n COM and KHII. coincidence? I think not.

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Sacul097 - Don’t talk to me about Mondays… or carrots TALK - All statements are wrong... including this one I've been wondering about why Sora's hair suddenly changed color. I thought that it had something to do with Namine's memory pods or something--Sacul097 01:14, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Vanitas's story section

So, can anyone link to the translations of the game, please? Since apparently the entire story has been fan-dubbed somewhere?Glorious CHAOS! 13:57, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

I've marked the section with tags for citation. Unless links to reliable, first-hand translations can be provided, the material will be deleted. As it is, the section looks like it was probably written by someone who could not read the script, and was simply describing the scenes, which is what we all agreed we wouldn't do.Glorious CHAOS! 19:37, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Chronologically

I just watched the battle between Aqua and Vanitas/Ventus and I saw that Kingdom Hearts was still in the sky. This is Aqua's last battle in her storyline and this battle happens after Ven's final battle with Vanitas. So since Kingdom Hearts is still in the sky that means Terra is still battling MX correct. That would make the chronological order of the final bosses, Ven vs. Vanitas, Aqua vs. Ven/Vanitas, Lingering Sentiment Terra vs. Terranort, and then finally the very final boss against Terranort in Radiant Garden. Is that the correct order or did I miss something? Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Venkix - Having no heart, no emotions. It's Better this way. TALK - Open your heart. - You forgot the secret final boss

Who would that be? Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Venkix - Having no heart, no emotions. It's Better this way. TALK - Open your heart. - An unversed/absent soihuotte vanitas. only fought by aqua. Go to the section above called "secret boss" to watch the video

I remember him but who knows when that fight is chronologically fought. Oh, and apparently he can be fought by all of them, not just Aqua. It's just easier to unlock him in Aqua's story. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Venkix - Having no heart, no emotions. It's Better this way. TALK - Open your heart. - I stand correct then. But doesnt she fight him AFTEr you beat the game? So chronilogically, that was the last boss right?

Well he may appear after you beat the game, or after you accomplish some feat, but that doesn't mean he is fought after the game chronologically. Just like the Lingering Sentiment, Kurt Zisa, the Phantom, Ice Titan, and Sephiroth. If the fights are considered canon they do happen before the final boss. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Lavaros - Answer me Xehanort, what have you done to his heart!? TALK - So you've been watching over me... — 20:15, January 13, 2010 (UTC) I don't think Secret bosses count towards the story line at all, all of them are just extra's too be found. So I don't think Vanitas Sentiment would ever actually of happened.

Well except for KHII Sephiroth and maybe the Lingering Sentiment. I'm positive the Sephiroth stuff in KHII happened because of the cutscenes, and the LS battle because it would be pretty important. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

KrytenKoro - Pinocchio with his nose attached to the trigger of a rifle, which points at his face as he says, "I want to live!" TALK - The fact that Xion references Kurt Zisa is just one example indicating that all sidequests are canon.

Good point, but that could be a reference to the world itself. I mean scimitars are used in that kind of place. She just happened to have four. I'm not disagreeing with you though. It's just when would some of these happen? Why would Sora take a little rest stop to go to Agrabah, Olympus Coliseum, and Neverland, when he's gotta stop the worlds from being destroyed by everyone's favorite psychopathic Heartless? Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

KrytenKoro - "Punch your lights out, hit the pavement. That's what I call entertainment. Causin' problems makes you famous - all the violence makes a statement." TALK - Well, canonically, he did take rest-stops at Olympus Coliseum, to challenge and defeat all of the cups, at least up to Hades. Days provides physical evidence for that. Then the side-jaunt to Hollow Bastion to fight Xemnas is canon as well. I'm guessing he did these because he wanted to check on his friends, or needed to train.

But how did Leon and Yuffie end up at the cups? I think the only canon fights at the cups are the Cloud, Hercules, Hades, Titans, and maybe Sephiroth matches. Just my opinion. And can you fight Xemnas the time you return to Hollow Bastion to seal the Keyhole and defeat the Behemoth? Or is it until after that when he appears? If he appears when you return for the Keyhole, that was probably when Sora fought him. And checking up on his friends when the universe is in danger would be something Sora would do. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

The Platinum Match doesn't seem to be canon, since Sephiroth and Sora act as if they've never met in KH2.—Urutapu 22:19, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't really think so either. That's why I put maybe. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Lavaros - Answer me Xehanort, what have you done to his heart!? TALK - So you've been watching over me... — 22:51, January 13, 2010 (UTC) I think that the fight with Sephiroth in Kingdom Hearts 2 will count (even though it's optional), but I don't think that the fight with him in Kingdom Hearts does, as for the Ice Titan, Kurt Zisa and The Phantom, it's kind of hard to see why he would come back to Agrabah or Neverland once he thought it was okay when he was so close to getting Riku back and getting home.

KrytenKoro - This is the song that runs under the credits; these are the credits, so this is where it goes. 'has nothing to do with the movie so we'll say, "Hey! Hey! Hey hey hey hey hey hey!" TALK - The Sephiroth bit, maybe, although it's not like they sat down and had tea or anything. However, all of the Phil through Hades cups are canon, since the scoreboards, which list each seed, are still up in Days. Because of this, and because once you start excluding cutscenes for canon status, it can get pretty hairy, I think the best solution is just to consider the entire games canon - it's not like Sephiroth and Sora being unfamiliar is the greatest of the plot holes in the series. We can then just comment when a plot hole appears.

Venkix - Having no heart, no emotions. It's Better this way. TALK - Open your heart. - Both thoeries are interesting. But has anyone know what happens after you beat the unversed Vanitas? do yuo get an item? possibly another cutscene?

Has anyone even beaten him yet? In all the videos I've seen no one has even layed a finger on him. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Venkix - Having no heart, no emotions. It's Better this way. TALK - Open your heart. - Me too, but has anyone been able to beat it? Does anyone knows what happens? I know it has to be something good because that bosss honestly rapes....

Or they might pull a KH Sephiroth on us and leave us with nothing after all the hard work. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Lavaros - Answer me Xehanort, what have you done to his heart!? TALK - So you've been watching over me... — 00:38, January 14, 2010 (UTC) A friend of mine has Birth By Sleep, when he tries to beat Vanitas Sentiment, I'll ask if he can record it?

There's no reason for the million empty lines. Anyway, the real problem is that, apparently, Vanitas requires a very specific deck to defeat. Or so says Nomura.—Urutapu 00:40, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Deck? Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Venkix - Having no heart, no emotions. It's Better this way. TALK - Open your heart. - Yes lavaros, that would be nice. Randomnesity you could be right. But when you beat Sephiroth, didn't you at least get One-Winged angel? It's been so long I can't remember.

There's no reason for the million empty lines. Anyway Randomnessity, yeah, you set up techniques sort of like a deck.—Urutapu 00:45, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

I see. I never read the gameplay sections. Wanted to learn as I went along. And maybe they never disabled the RTE? EDIT: You only get the One Winged Angel in FM. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

The prize is nothing special and certainly not as cool as the one winged angel keyblade.Hirokey123 05:14, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Key-blade master - I don't need a weapon! My friends are my power! TALK - Roxas... I wish I could meet him too... — 02:23, January 31, 2010 (UTC) I believe when you beat the lingering sentiment vanitas all you get is some very special, synthesis item. i'm not too sure though.

Just a question... *spoilers*

How the heck did all of that hair fit into Vanitas's helmet!?! Keyblade474 16:19, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Oddishh - We're friends. Therefore, I want to ask you something... Destroy me. TALK - Our connected hearts are my power! because Vanitas' magical hair can bend and sway whatever way it pleases without showing under the helmet. that's how KH physics work, silly. xDDD

If this game had realistic physics, we shouldn't have been able to recognize Sora's head under the helmet. The helmet hair would have made him completely unrecognizable.

I also enjoyed Square's convenient "only showing his eyes" as his helmet is taken off. I kind of would have enjoyed seeing his hair just go POOF and appear... Yes, this entire post was completely relevant. 72.77.96.235 06:40, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Connection With Riku

HeartFallout Talk! — If I had a dollar for every time I broke my PS2.. I would still be very poor. — 02:59, February 3, 2010 (UTC) Anyone have any theories how Vanitas is connected to Riku? They have the same battle stance/Organic suit

That's...pretty much it. Xehanort/the darkness just likes to recycle outfits.—Urutapu 04:51, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} Does riku have the same Battle stance as Vanitas before the destruction of DI?i mean on the battle he seem more on the defensive and he hold the toy sword with only one hand so i'm not sure.

Enough!

Naruto195 —What the hell did you do Angeal!? TALK - "Is that? Is that your idea of honor?." — Naruto195 06:04, February 10, 2010 (UTC) This page needs be protected or something. Its annoying for people to have to keep reverting posts made by people who have no sources as to the Trivia and Voice acting part.

NeutraVega Talk to me, you triple zero!. — "3, 22⁄7, 333⁄106, 355⁄113, 103993/33102...'." *Cue echo SFX* I completely agree. This HJO bullshit really needs to stop, and this article (along a plethora of others) just need a strong dosage of lockage for a good while.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... It is kinda annoying.

I had to revert that particular edit from two different anons in the vicinity of two minutes. I think it should be user blocked. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

Naruto195 —What the hell did you do Angeal!? TALK - "Is that? Is that your idea of honor?." — Naruto195 00:08, February 13, 2010 (UTC) Late reply but thanks for agreeing. Anyone know any way to do that?

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... The only one who can protect a page are admins. Talk to KrytenKoro.

Naruto195 —What the hell did you do Angeal!? TALK - "Is that? Is that your idea of honor?." — Naruto195 00:15, February 13, 2010 (UTC) Hmm alright,I'll ask. In the mean time,lets keep this page fine

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Right.

Universal Chaos...?

NeutraVega Talk to me, you triple zero!. — "3, 22⁄7, 333⁄106, 355⁄113, 103993/33102...'." *Cue echo SFX* Where do people come up with this crap...? And the fact that he took the time to write all that out, only for it to be deleted in a minute... Just...wow.

Some people think this can be used for fanon as well. At least that's what I think. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

NeutraVega Talk to me, you triple zero!. — "3, 22⁄7, 333⁄106, 355⁄113, 103993/33102...'." *Cue echo SFX* Isn't there an entirely separate wiki for that kind of nonsense?

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Now, now. Calm down, you two discussed this calmly, all right?

@NeutraVega:Indeed there is. A lot of anon don't know that. That doesn't give them the right to add all of their fanon ideas to this wiki. There should be a headline somewhere that states this wiki does not support fanon ideas. @NinjaShiek:Don't worry. I never lose my calm in a conversation. Randomnessity Looks like you're prepared.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? That is a very good idea. If there were a headline like that, it should probably have a link to the Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki of it. That otta divert a lot of (though not all, let's be honest) the fanon ideas.