Talk:Symbols in the Kingdom Hearts series

Should

Should it be "of" or "in"?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 21:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Also, would it perhaps be more legible if the "additional character" and "additional world" symbols were handled in a table?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 21:15, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I can't answer the first question, I just used the title suggestion you made some hours ago^^. A table has its pros but it would ruin or at least supersede the text. How would you arrange the table? --ShardofTruth 21:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I personally find "in" has better sound appeal, but both technically work. I would say yes to the table, but if it supersedes the text as Shard stated, then by all means, leave the page as-is. - Eternal Nothingness XIII

KrytenKoro - "It's always best when the other chap is willing to die for his beliefs; you both have the same goal in mind." TALK - Basically, the "additional world" and "additional character" sections just list a lot of images and then have unconnected sentences after them detailing each of the images. There's no cohesion between the images or the text, and they're only real relation is that they are each symbols with no real variants or notability. I'm proposing a short table that separates each image and line of text into a row of the table, for those symbols only.

I would suggest making it a transparent table, no lines and no background. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 15:13, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The table looks good, now to do it for the characters."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 10:53, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Mark of Mastery

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Where is it said that those symbols represent the Mark of Mastery, especially since Terra and Ventus where it despite not being masters, and Aqua wore hers long before her promotion, not to mention Xehanort not wearing one, despite being a master

ShardofTruth Once you believe, truth and lie are quite the same thing. — 22:38, 5 October 2011 (UTC) With the latest Normua interview regarding the story of KH3D I assumed that there is always a qualification test before the Mark of Mastery exam which is rewarded with the mark. But that may not be true. It was "Keyblade Master Symbol" before, which is also incorrect in Terra's and Ventus's case. The Ultimania calls it Terra's mark which can't be the real name either.

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I always saw it as Eraqus' symbol seeing as only he and his apprentices are ever seen with it, as well as it being the keychain token on his keyblade, not to mention the fact that Ventus didn't start wearing it until he started being taught by Eraqus

ShardofTruth Once you believe, truth and lie are quite the same thing. — 20:30, 8 October 2011 (UTC) True but I think there is still more too it. Why did Xemnas copy the symbol to get the Nobody emblem and why is the Room of Sleep decorated with it? Anyway, I still think you're right. Maybe we should change the name to "Terra's mark" (because we have a quote for it), "Eraqus' symbol" is plausible but still another speculation.

Heartless emblem

Okay, chronologically the emblem first appears on the x-blade, and kind of on Vanitas's chest; unless it appears on Hollow Bastion in BbS (can someone check, please). We know that the Organization emblem is from Terra's memories of the Mark of Mastery emblem, so without speculation we can at the very least say that the Heartless emblem is derived from the x-blade Keychain.

Also, I think Roxas's Nobody-thorn cross should be part of the Nobody emblem section, since those thorns are used throughout the various Nobodies and Organization weapons."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:03, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I really don't think a black heart with a red outline makes it a heartless emblem. It's got the color-scheme, sure, but that's about it, same goes for vanitas--ShadowsTwilight 14:17, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The x-blade Keychain is the "Heartless emblem" without the surrounding thorns and the bottom fleur-de-lis. It's pretty clearly a linked symbol, and chronologically, it appears long before the Heartless emblem."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 17:03, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Maybe you're right Kryten the heart in the keychain is an "incomplete" Heartless emblem but it is highly doubtful that the heartless emblem is based on it considering that neither Master Xehanort nor Terra even got the chance to see it as it was destroyed a short while after its creation Xabryn

Unknown symbol

Unknown3619 15:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC) Would anyone be so kind as to put the symbol that the Unknown in BBS uses in here some where. i cant do that kind of thing myself but i would love to study the symbol for more clues to his/her identity. Thanks

What symbol is that? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 16:16, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Unknown3619 16:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC) sorry. Its the one that appers below him/her when he/her uses magic. Its black and looks like a trinity limit symbol.

Here you go:

I ripped it from the battle effects and even tried to put his ethereal blade together, but that's a lot of work, because the parts are disconnected in the game files. Please link back here if you publish it somewhere else, thanks. --ShardofTruth 00:13, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Unknown3619 15:10, 6 January 2012 (UTC) This is amazing. thanks so much. I cant even say how cool this is. Thanks.

Are we gonna add this to the page?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 07:11, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

The Grid

UxieLover1994 Tiempo de morder de nuevo con el poder! El tema de hoy: su sorpresa! — 12:07, 29 July 2012 (UTC) While an Identity Disk does serve as the symbol for The Grid, the shape is slightly different than the one for Space Paranoids. The shape is similar to the disks in the second film.

Move

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 15:11, 13 October 2012 (UTC) I'm mostly suggesting this due to better sound appeal, but is anyone against moving this article to "Symbols in the Kingdom Hearts series"?

No, go for it. TheFifteenthMember 15:21, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Either way works for me... they essentially mean the same thing. Erry 15:32, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Not especially. I think I'll wait for a few more opinions. - Eternal Nothingness XIII 15:34, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm fine with it. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 00:46, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

That's also okay with me. --ShardofTruth 11:32, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Me and my Grammer professer say that in is better Unknown3619 (talk) 20:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Can I say it? "Grammer?""We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 03:05, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

SAY IT --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 03:40, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

*Grammar. Moment stolen, Kryten :P And "in" is slightly more appropriate. Both work, but "in" is a bit better.LapisLazuliScarab14:53, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Woops.. I didnt notice that... Kind of defeats what I was saying huh? Anyway, as long as no one absolutely hates that idea (I cant see anyone hateing it really) then its ok. Unknown3619 (talk) 15:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Needed?

Do we really need that "Eye of darkness" thing? It seems a bit much for what it's been used for. But that's just my opinion. 97.81.35.41 13:10, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander

It's a recurring motif (more than some of the other symbols here) with consistent meaning, and its simpler than listing out each of the ten or so blades it appears on each time we mention it.107.35.212.105 18:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Point taken. But I feel that it's a bit of a nuisance, mostly because it's a bit speculative(though normaly that's something I'm all for). But the question still stands: Is it needed? 97.81.35.41 21:24, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander

Yes. TheFifteenthMember 21:35, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

OK. I'm still against the idea, but I'm not gonna put up a fight, unless someone insults me for whatever reason(which I really hate). 97.81.35.41 21:44, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander

The KH2 Ultimania uses a major and a minor symbol for each main character, these symbols are not shown here for various reasons. Anyway, besides the blank Heartless symbol a similiar eye is used for Riku, so maybe that makes it a bit less speculative.
Although I agree this page scraps speculative territory on more than one occasion, mainly because we mostly use fan given names. That's why it should be considered as a collection with real-world references not as something written from an ingame view. --ShardofTruth

OK, I'm not against it anymore. I do wish it had a better name though, the current one is a bit iffy. Not that I'm complaining or anything, just saying. 97.81.35.41 22:38, 7 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander

It's an eye, and it is associated with darkness. We specifically do not claim that it has an official name. I don't see how anything in that section could be considered speculative."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 01:35, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

I meant that the name is a bit simple and isn't going to catch on(at least for me). Hence why I said that I wish it had a better name. Now no more talk about this, I have more important things that require my attention 97.81.35.41 14:10, 8 May 2013 (UTC) Rex Ronald Rilander