Talk:List of Keyblade wielders

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Dream Sword, Umbrella, Soul Eater

These weapons are treated functionally as Keyblades, with the whole Gear access or card access thing, but are in some way transformed. Do we want to consider these Keyblades or proto-Keyblades? Or just not mention them here?Glorious CHAOS! 20:33, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I am personally thinking yes to the umbrella but no to soul eater and dream sword

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} The Soul Eater, the Umbrella, the Dream Sword(thought I'm not sure about this one) and the Wooden Stick can release hearts so i think that they should be considered Keyblades or at least proto-keyblades

The Dream Sword never releases hearts, especially since it is never used against an Emblem Heartless. If you're counting Mission Mode, everything releases hearts, even though it's non-canonical.Glorious CHAOS! 09:52, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, but the other three can release hearts so they must be Keyblades somehow--Xabryn 21:17, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

The Wooden Sword in KH1 does not release hearts, as far as I know. The Wooden Stick does because Xion is using the Keyblade next to him. Also, when does the Soul Eater release hearts? If it does, then Nomura made quite a mess in 358/2 Days.Glorious CHAOS! 09:32, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

First off, in Mission Mode, if you're not using Roxas, Xion, Riku, Mickey, or Sora, defeating Emblem Heartless releases colorless hearts, which I assume signifies that the hearts aren't collected. Having said that, Days does not distinguish between individual weapons, only characters. I will check someone's vids of ReCoM R/R to see if Soul Eater releases hearts, but I would not include it, or Dream Sword. --Neumannz 16:57, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} The Soul eater realease heart in Re:CoM i've tested it myself(though it is pretty fast you hardly can see it), Xion's magics never released a heart even though she was close to Roxas with his keyblade and i never mentioned the wooden sword EDIT 23:21, April 21, 2010 (UTC):You're right about the Wooden Stick it happen with Donald and Goofy in KH and KH2(I'm not sure about other partners) but the Sol Eater still can release hearts in Re:CoM and there is no keyblade next to Riku so it should be considered a Keyblade, right? Edit19:35, May 2, 2010 (UTC):Okay now I'm positive about the Soul Eater it don't happen only in Re:CoM it happens in KH2 too during the battle in land of dragons when he defeat a heartless a heart comes out

Is it a grey heart or a pink heart?Glorious CHAOS! 22:08, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Pink in both games, the same color of the heart that leaves when Sora defeat a heartless--Xabryn 22:58, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

So should we add the soul eater to the list or at least mention something about it in a article?Xabryn20:40, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

It has been some time and yet there was no answer...--Xabryn 18:34, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

As far as Sora's Wooden Sword in KH1 is concerned, it is hard to tell. I think that if anyone was brazen enough to actually try it, it may actually work, but as I haven't tried it, I can't say for sure. Since the Wooden Sword in Hallow Bastion can come into contact with the Heartless, I like to assume that it can remove hearts as well. However, the strength of the Wooden Sword is so minuscule that it would be very difficult to attempt this maneuver to clarify, especially with the powerful Heartless that run rampant in Hallow Bastion. KyrianXVII 03:27, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

I could try it but it would take some time since all of my saves are after that, but I was talking about the Soul Eater it can release hearts in KH Re:CoM, KH2 and KH 358/2 Days--Xabryn 18:50, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

First Adult Key bearer

KyrianXVII - Riku? I defeated a Riku once... TALK - {{{time}}} I don't know if anyone has ever thought of this before: who's the first adult in the series to wield a keyblade as a part of video game scenes? Someone would say Leon for the three seconds he held Sora's Kingdom Key in KH1. Others would consider Master Yen Sid because he may be the oldest person to use a Keyblade. But I don't consider them due to Leon not having his own Keyblade and Yen Sid never uses his Keyblade. It's between Masters Eraqus and Xehanort. But I don't know which it would be, because I've never seen or played Birth By Sleep. Does anyone have an idea?

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA i'm not sure but i have to ask, does it really matter for anything? dont mean to be rude, but...

KyrianXVII - Riku? I defeated a Riku once... TALK - {{{time}}} I'm going to be honest (and I'm not insulted by the question: it's a good one) here, but there may be no good reason. I just wanted to know. It strikes me strange that all of the Keybearers in the series are teenagers and children: now all of a sudden three are adults and two are still active? It's a nice trivia thing to put down on a page if someone finds out too.

Master Terra

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I know Xehanort only promoted him in order to get on his good side and to further his own ends, but he is a Master so i guess he did have the authority... just food for thought

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} [1] "The Keyblade succession can only be performed by a Keyblade Master, but we see Terra performing this rite with Riku - does this mean we can consider Terra a Keyblade Master? Nomura: No. Terra was not awarded that title by his Master Eraqus, so no matter how Master Xehanort flatters him he is not a Keyblade Master. But that's just a matter of whether or not he's achieved the official title. Even Eraqus recognised that Terra possessed suitable power to be a Master, which is why he was able to perform the rite for Riku." As you just saw Nomura stated that he isn't a keyblade master

Concerns

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA okay two thoughts i hadfor this 1)Should we add Vanitas's Lingering Spirit since we have the Lingering Spirit and 2)should we put master xehanort's keyblade due to terra-xehanort like we have the x-blade under ventus due to ventus-vanitas

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} 1) Look at the expand Template in the top of the page 2) I don't think that we should since we already have a section for Terra-Xehanort

Fake Keyblade Wielders

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} Okay, some of the Keyblade weilders should be under that section; Xion: Riku call her Keyblade a sham and she is made of memories making her a fake, Lingering Sentiment: He is made of Thoughts and feeling just like VR so if VR is there LS should be there too, Data Sora: he is made of data and so is his Keyblade at least the first one, I'm not sure if he should be there but maybe he should. When I tryed to add Xion to it Maggosh removed it so I'm starting a discussion to see if we're going to add them or not

Falcos - You've done it, Ventus. TALK - Now that my body is about to perish... You and I will have to join together! Can I please ask where it is stated Vanitas Remnant is a fake Keyblade wielder? It uses Void Gear, a very real Keyblade that you then get yourself. So why is it called "fake"?

maggosh The steel is forged... — "Souls as far as the eye can see..." "If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else." ._. A cutscene. You're basing her entire status as a Keyblade wielder on a cutscene. Falcos: I'll have to agree.

KrytenKoro - "An education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease. It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on." TALK - You get the Void Gear keychain, not the Keyblade itself; similar to the MF and the No Name. For its own Keyblade, I think we are operating off the assumption that it is similar to an AS (same portal, same remnant qualities), and so it is not a Keyblade wielder, but the remnant of Vanitas's power taking the form of a Keyblade and its wielder. Then again, we might have misunderstood Demyx's AS explanation (I don't think I've ever actually seen it, myself), so yeah. Depending on how that was explained, the VR could be completely legitimate.

Falcos - You've done it, Ventus. TALK - Now that my body is about to perish... You and I will have to join together! So, what... Is it or isn't it? I'm confused as to whether something was decided in that.

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 14:48, September 17, 2010 (UTC)   Kryten: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uBYo3IIYlQ, starting just after 6 min. Unsubbed, though. For a translation, http://www.scribd.com/doc/7830695/Kingdom-Hearts-II-Final-Mix-Japanese-to-English-Guide, page 33, bottom. Take it how you will.

Yeah. If that translation is reliable (and the others I've seen there appear to be), then they're pretty much saying that the AS is the abandoned weapon. VR very strongly seems to be an Unversed version of an AS, which would mean that he is the Void Gear itself.Glorious CHAOS! 15:44, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Lingering Sentiment

If Vanitas' Remnant is a fake keyblade wielder then the LS should be too, as they are practicly the same. The lost thoughts of Terra. --{{subst:User:Secret agent clank/sig}} 17:36, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

UnknownChaser 18:04, September 22, 2010 (UTC) hmm i dont think so,cus VR is created from Vanitas emotion or something, while LS was created from Terra himself, cus the LS was born from Terra amor and wield his old keyblade, while VR is created from nothing. hmmmmm,im confuse now lolz