Forum:Remodelling of the MOS

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FA icon.png I'm picking up from where we left off at the Mensa, and since the suggestions for remodelling the MOS have been closed, I will put up our current stances right here for everyone to see. So these are the issues :

Media Usage

Videos

  • People have been uploading videos to KHW, when in actual fact, they can just embed the vids by using the <youtube></youtube> code found on Help:Beginner's Userpage. And some of these videos end up being deleted. We have to make this code clearer to the rest.
  • The 4-vid rule might have to be switched to a 6-vid rule or even an 8-vid rule, in light of the new releases of Days, BBS and Coded.
  • Video walkthroughs in the case of the Days Missions should be allowed, and possibly the Gummi Missions, since it'll usually only involve one video. Otherwise, videos are only allowed in boss battles, or battles exclusive to the Final Mixes, or the song pages.

Images

  • Images without white BGs should be placed inside a thumbnail and a caption must be added, if it doesn't fall in the Gallery section. The same goes for images that have been cleaned and cropped (as in the instance of Vanitas' Keyblade).
  • In case we have to address this issue, the maximum number for a normal Gallery section (not including the character/enemy list) is 12. Or we might reduce this to 8. But more than anything, it's the relevance of the images that counts, not the number.

Content

Naming

  • All Heartless or Nobodies or goodness knows what which have been given new names in new releases should not have their names changed. The Watcher is still the Surveillance Robot.

Layout of Boss pages

  • I'm talking about Battle Quotes. I believe that we should limit them to 10, and battle quotes should not appear on the character pages. Raise your discrepancies now if you wish the battle quotes to appear for main characters.
  • Grunts and cries do not need to be put up.

Number of navigation templates

  • The number is not an issue, though I think it should be that all navi templates (except one-line ones like the Princesses of Heart) must be collapsible.
  • The respective navigation templates should be explained in the MOS, as some users do not know where to put them. Same goes for infoboxes and whatever relevant templates.

See Also issue

  • The stance now is that See Also pages should be removed unless there are pages which need to be brought to the player's attention. This, too, is highly unlikely, because for Heartless like Pot Spider, which need to be linked to Pot Centipede and Pot Scorpion, their names can be found in the Heartless Directory (correct me if I'm wrong).
  • The only things which fall into the See Also page shall be things which are closely related to that particular character, or element, or whatever.

Spoiler warnings

Trivia

  • Our stance has always been that trivia is limited to only seven, though if there are eight trivia bits, we don't mind. If there are nine, we start yelling.
  • The same trivia point shouldn't be on EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE, if such a case happens.
  • Again, as the MOS says, we must try to bring in related bits into the storyline somewhere. As far as trivia is concerned, it shouldn't be redundant or pointless.

Categorisation

  • Categorisation shall be enforced, and a Category Tree Help page shall be constructed to guide users on categorising articles and, particularly, images.

Wikilinking

  • The MOS has said that we only link to an article once, but I believe that we should now link at least once per section, if the article is long. Say, if you're in Sora's page but you want to link to Axel, one link won't be enough because the page is obviously bloody long. :P
  • For shorter articles, the one-link-per-page rule will apply.

User conduct

Warning Templates

  • Warning templates should be used by everyone, especially if the user putting the templates to use is trusted. However, reasonable steps must have been taken to warn the vandal before actually whipping out the warning.
  • An Assume Good Faith page shall be constructed.



I believe that I've addressed all issues in the Mensa, and I need your final feedback because this coming weekend, I shall proceed to remodel the MOS.

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. TroisNyxÉtienne — 03:15, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Feedback

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JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000.

You're all morons. — 05:13, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Talk_Bubble_Legend_zpsa9c4698c.png It all looks good to me. *thumbs up* :)
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It looks just fine to me. I think it covers all the bases.
Randomnessity Looks like you're already prepared.
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LapisScarab - Xemnas (card).png You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? Nobody.png
TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
Interdiction KHD.png Most triumphant. This should make things clearer.
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DoorToNothing Heartless Emblem.png — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven!

And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 05:46, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Keyblade-Blk.png I disagree with allowing the trivia policy to only be enforced once the quantity of trivia bits on a single article reaches nine, and yet our policy is to allow seven. This is in no way different than if our policy was to allow eight trivia bits. When I see an article with eight trivia bits, I immediately add Template:Trivia to the top of the article, or fix the issue myself. It should be noted in the Manual of Style that all trivia is "evil", as BebopKate described it, and should be removed, if it is redundant or repeated content, or merged into the article if possible. Trivia is not exactly "evil", but its inclusion in an article should be prevented if at all possible.

Second, I disagree with wiki-linking not being limited to only a single instance. The only exception to this rule is when a world/place article is linked to, and a section-specific link is used to link to a specific area of that world. Plus, this makes judging whether an article is short or "bloody long" difficult; there are no mediums, just two extremes.

For example, see Larxene. A few days ago, I completely revised this article, removing all double-links in the article. I also removed the entire "Trivia" section by removal or merging. In my opinion, it looks great the way it is, and should be used as an example as to why the policy on wiki-linking should stay as it is.

Other than that, everything looks fine from my skim-over. On the topic of making a category tree, do you mean make a visual category tree in the form of a site image? If so, I would be happy to construct one, if I could be provided the tree in text before-hand.

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LapisScarab - Xemnas (card).png You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? Nobody.png
TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had?
Interdiction KHD.png I agree that we should emphasize that trivia should be merged with the article/removed whenever possible/necessary (though "evil" seems a bit harsh). I have to say though that I'm for TNE's linking policy. It's more convenient.
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FA icon.png @DTN : I'm not sure how an image would look, and I must go through the category tree thrice over, at least - so that I may get a clear guide. We all need to ! ^_^

As for trivia, if someone feels that it's article worthy, I think the first mention it should be given is in the talk page, at least. If it's worth mentioning it, and we get consensus from everyone, then and only then shall we put it into the article. Then again, it must be something that won't end up causing conflict.

As for wikilinking, in the instance where if it were not for the one-link-per-page, it would be an orphan page, then we have to proceed with more than one. But we'll wait for more feedback on this issue.

I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! TroisNyxÉtienne — 06:27, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

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DoorToNothing Heartless Emblem.png — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven!

And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 06:32, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Keyblade-Blk.png Troisnyxetienne, multiple links to one article has nothing to do with an article's status as an orphaned page. An orphaned page is one that is not linked to anywhere on the wiki. Therefore, no articles tie into it, making it an "orphan" of sorts. Do you have a link to where a draft of the category tree can be found?
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FA icon.png My bad ^_^' Okay, I'll see where I can find the category tree. Please hold on.

EDIT 06:36, February 8, 2010 (UTC) : Nope, the Category Tree page doesn't show anything. I think we have to start from the root category, KHW, and work our way down. I'll handle the first bit, at least.

I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! TroisNyxÉtienne — 06:34, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Category Tree (Someone please continue from where I left off ?)

I am exhausted. Can someone please continue for me ? Thank you. ^_^
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FA icon.png So here's our category tree. The further the bullet from the margin, the smaller the sub-category.
  • Kingdom Hearts Wiki
    • Archives
    • Articles for Deletion
    • Articles in need of de-wikifying
    • Articles in need of expansion
    • Articles in need of images
    • Articles in need of improvement
    • Featured Media
    • Featured articles
    • Forums
      • Stickied threads
      • The World that Never was
      • Twilight Town Library
    • Images
    • Images With Bad Names
    • Main
      • Game elements
        • Abilities
          • Drive Forms
          • Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days abilities
          • Magic
            • Summons
              • D-Links
            • Drive Forms
        • Characters
        • Enemies
        • Items
        • Jiminy's Journal
        • Songs
        • Worlds
      • Plot elements
        • Characters
          • Allies
            • D-Links
            • Princesses of Heart
            • Summons
              • D-Links
          • Characters With Unknown Worlds
          • D-Links
          • Disney Characters
            • Princesses of Heart
          • Enemies
          • Final Fantasy Character Images
          • Final Fantasy Characters
          • Groups
            • Princesses of Heart
          • Keyblade Wielders
          • Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days Characters
          • Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Characters
          • Kingdom Hearts II Characters
          • Kingdom Hearts Characters
          • Kingdom Hearts coded Characters
          • Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories characters
          • Neutral Characters
          • Organization XIII
          • Original Characters
            • Princesses of Heart
            • Replica
          • Princesses of Heart
          • Replica
          • Summons
            • D-Links
          • Supporting Characters
          • Villains
        • Enemies
      • Real-world articles
        • Games
          • Kingdom Hearts
            • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix
              • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix Images
                • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix Artwork Images
                • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix Enemy Images
                  • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix Heartless Images
              • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix accessories
              • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix enemies
              • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix weapons
            • Kingdom Hearts Images
              • Kingdom Hearts Enemy Images
                • Kingdom Hearts Heartless Images
                  • Kingdom Hearts Heartless Artwork Images
              • Kingdom Hearts Artwork Images
                • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix Artwork Images
              • Kingdom Hearts Character Images
                • Kingdom Hearts Weapon Images
                  • Kingdom Hearts Ally Weapon Images
                  • Kingdom Hearts Keyblade Images
                    • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix Keyblade Images
                  • Kingdom Hearts Shield Images
                    • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix Shield Images
                  • Kingdom Hearts Staff Images
                    • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix Staff Images
            • Kingdom Hearts Items
            • Kingdom Hearts accessories
              • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix accessories
            • Kingdom Hearts characters
            • Kingdom Hearts weapons
              • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix weapons
            • Realm of Darkness
          • Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
          • Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep
          • Kingdom Hearts Final Mix
          • Kingdom Hearts II
          • Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix
            • Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix Images
              • Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix Artwork Images
              • Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix Character Images
              • Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix Enemy Images
                • Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix Heartless Images
            • Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix armor
            • Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix enemies
              • Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix bosses
            • Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix key items
            • Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix weapons
          • Kingdom Hearts Mobile
            • Kingdom Hearts Mobile Images
          • Kingdom Hearts V CAST
            • Kingdom Hearts V CAST Images
          • Kingdom Hearts coded
            • Kingdom Hearts coded characters
            • Kingdom Hearts coded Images
              • Kingdom Hearts coded Artwork Images
              • Kingdom Hearts coded Character Images
          • Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories
            • Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories characters
        • Merchandise
          • Kingdom Hearts TCG
            • Dark Cards
            • Friend Cards (TCG)
            • Heartless Cards
            • Magic Friend Cards
            • Player Cards
          • Merchandise Images
            • Album Covers
            • Boxart
            • Clothing Images
            • Manga Images
            • TCG Images
              • Dark Card Images
              • Magic Friend Card Images
              • Player Card Images
              • TCG Attack Card Images
              • TCG Friend Card Images
              • TCG Magic Card Images
              • World Card Images (TCG)
        • Music
          • Music Media
          • Songs
          • Soundtrack
    • Templates
    • Users
    • Videos
    • Walkthroughs

Please note that there are some categories which I have typed in a different colour, and I believe these categories should be merged into one higher category. (Full description to come soon...)

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. TroisNyxÉtienne — 06:38, February 8, 2010 (UTC)


What all this means :

  • Red text means that there's something wrong with the placement of that category.
  • Black text means that the category is empty.
  • Yellow text, or whatever colour I'll be using other than red and black, means that the categories can be merged into a bigger category. Say, for instance, the ones in yellow can be merged into "Articles in need of maintenance", just so that they'll at least know where to head to.