Forum:Remodelling of the MOS

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I'm picking up from where we left off at the Mensa, and since the suggestions for remodelling the MOS have been closed, I will put up our current stances right here for everyone to see. So these are the issues : Media Usage Videos People have been uploading videos to KHW, when in actual fact, they can just embed the vids by using the <youtube></youtube> code found on Help:Beginner's Userpage. And some of these videos end up being deleted. We have to make this code clearer to the rest. The 4-vid rule might have to be switched to a 6-vid rule or even an 8-vid rule, in light of the new releases of Days, BBS and Coded. Video walkthroughs in the case of the Days Missions should be allowed, and possibly the Gummi Missions, since it'll usually only involve one video. Otherwise, videos are only allowed in boss battles, or battles exclusive to the Final Mixes, or the song pages. Images Images without white BGs should be placed inside a thumbnail and a caption must be added, if it doesn't fall in the Gallery section. The same goes for images that have been cleaned and cropped (as in the instance of Vanitas' Keyblade). In case we have to address this issue, the maximum number for a normal Gallery section (not including the character/enemy list) is 12. Or we might reduce this to 8. But more than anything, it's the relevance of the images that counts, not the number. Content Naming All Heartless or Nobodies or goodness knows what which have been given new names in new releases should not have their names changed. The Watcher is still the Surveillance Robot. Layout of Boss pages I'm talking about Battle Quotes. I believe that we should limit them to 10, and battle quotes should not appear on the character pages. Raise your discrepancies now if you wish the battle quotes to appear for main characters. Grunts and cries do not need to be put up. Number of navigation templates The number is not an issue, though I think it should be that all navi templates (except one-line ones like the Princesses of Heart) must be collapsible. The respective navigation templates should be explained in the MOS, as some users do not know where to put them. Same goes for infoboxes and whatever relevant templates. See Also issue The stance now is that See Also pages should be removed unless there are pages which need to be brought to the player's attention. This, too, is highly unlikely, because for Heartless like Pot Spider, which need to be linked to Pot Centipede and Pot Scorpion, their names can be found in the Heartless Directory (correct me if I'm wrong). The only things which fall into the See Also page shall be things which are closely related to that particular character, or element, or whatever. Spoiler warnings Point number four of Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Spoiler Policy remains in effect. Trivia Our stance has always been that trivia is limited to only seven, though if there are eight trivia bits, we don't mind. If there are nine, we start yelling. The same trivia point shouldn't be on EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE, if such a case happens. Again, as the MOS says, we must try to bring in related bits into the storyline somewhere. As far as trivia is concerned, it shouldn't be redundant or pointless. Categorisation Categorisation shall be enforced, and a Category Tree Help page shall be constructed to guide users on categorising articles and, particularly, images. Wikilinking The MOS has said that we only link to an article once, but I believe that we should now link at least once per section, if the article is long. Say, if you're in Sora's page but you want to link to Axel, one link won't be enough because the page is obviously bloody long. :P For shorter articles, the one-link-per-page rule will apply. User conduct Warning Templates Warning templates should be used by everyone, especially if the user putting the templates to use is trusted. However, reasonable steps must have been taken to warn the vandal before actually whipping out the warning. An Assume Good Faith page shall be constructed. I believe that I've addressed all issues in the Mensa, and I need your final feedback because this coming weekend, I shall proceed to remodel the MOS. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 03:15, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Feedback

JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000. You're all morons. — 05:13, February 8, 2010 (UTC) It all looks good to me. *thumbs up* :)

It looks just fine to me. I think it covers all the bases. Randomnessity Looks like you're already prepared.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Most triumphant. This should make things clearer.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 05:46, February 8, 2010 (UTC) I disagree with allowing the trivia policy to only be enforced once the quantity of trivia bits on a single article reaches nine, and yet our policy is to allow seven. This is in no way different than if our policy was to allow eight trivia bits. When I see an article with eight trivia bits, I immediately add Template:Trivia to the top of the article, or fix the issue myself. It should be noted in the Manual of Style that all trivia is "evil", as BebopKate described it, and should be removed, if it is redundant or repeated content, or merged into the article if possible. Trivia is not exactly "evil", but its inclusion in an article should be prevented if at all possible. Second, I disagree with wiki-linking not being limited to only a single instance. The only exception to this rule is when a world/place article is linked to, and a section-specific link is used to link to a specific area of that world. Plus, this makes judging whether an article is short or "bloody long" difficult; there are no mediums, just two extremes. For example, see Larxene. A few days ago, I completely revised this article, removing all double-links in the article. I also removed the entire "Trivia" section by removal or merging. In my opinion, it looks great the way it is, and should be used as an example as to why the policy on wiki-linking should stay as it is. Other than that, everything looks fine from my skim-over. On the topic of making a category tree, do you mean make a visual category tree in the form of a site image? If so, I would be happy to construct one, if I could be provided the tree in text before-hand.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? I agree that we should emphasize that trivia should be merged with the article/removed whenever possible/necessary (though "evil" seems a bit harsh). I have to say though that I'm for TNE's linking policy. It's more convenient.

@DTN : I'm not sure how an image would look, and I must go through the category tree thrice over, at least - so that I may get a clear guide. We all need to ! ^_^ As for trivia, if someone feels that it's article worthy, I think the first mention it should be given is in the talk page, at least. If it's worth mentioning it, and we get consensus from everyone, then and only then shall we put it into the article. Then again, it must be something that won't end up causing conflict. As for wikilinking, in the instance where if it were not for the one-link-per-page, it would be an orphan page, then we have to proceed with more than one. But we'll wait for more feedback on this issue. I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 06:27, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 06:32, February 8, 2010 (UTC) Troisnyxetienne, multiple links to one article has nothing to do with an article's status as an orphaned page. An orphaned page is one that is not linked to anywhere on the wiki. Therefore, no articles tie into it, making it an "orphan" of sorts. Do you have a link to where a draft of the category tree can be found?

My bad ^_^' Okay, I'll see where I can find the category tree. Please hold on. EDIT 06:36, February 8, 2010 (UTC) : Nope, the Category Tree page doesn't show anything. I think we have to start from the root category, KHW, and work our way down. I'll handle the first bit, at least. I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 06:34, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Category Tree (Please don't edit conflict me for the next 10mn, I need to start from the very top of the tree...)

So here's our category tree. The further the bullet from the margin, the smaller the sub-category. Kingdom Hearts Wiki Archives Articles for Deletion Articles in need of de-wikifying Articles in need of expansion Articles in need of images Articles in need of improvement Featured Media Featured articles Forums Stickied threads The World that Never was Twilight Town Library Images Images With Bad Names Main Game elements Abilities Characters Enemies Items Jiminy's Journal Songs Worlds Plot elements Characters Allies Characters With Unknown Worlds D-Links Disney Characters Enemies Final Fantasy Character Images Final Fantasy Characters Groups Keyblade Wielders Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days Characters Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Characters Kingdom Hearts II Characters Kingdom Hearts Characters Kingdom Hearts coded Characters Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories characters Neutral Characters Organization XIII Original Characters Princesses of Heart Replica Summons Supporting Characters Villains Enemies Real-world articles Games Kingdom Hearts Kingdom Hearts Final Mix Kingdom Hearts Images Kingdom Hearts Items Kingdom Hearts accessories Kingdom Hearts characters Kingdom Hearts weapons Realm of Darkness Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Kingdom Hearts Final Mix Kingdom Hearts II Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix Kingdom Hearts Mobile Kingdom Hearts V CAST Kingdom Hearts V CAST Images Kingdom Hearts coded Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories Merchandise Kingdom Hearts TCG Dark Cards Friend Cards (TCG) Heartless Cards Magic Friend Cards Player Cards Merchandise Images Album Covers Boxart Clothing Images Manga Images TCG Images Dark Card Images Magic Friend Card Images Player Card Images TCG Attack Card Images TCG Friend Card Images TCG Magic Card Images World Card Images (TCG) Music Music Media Songs Soundtrack Templates Users Videos Walkthroughs Please note that there are some categories which I have typed in a different colour, and I believe these categories should be merged into one higher category. (Full description to come soon...) Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 06:38, February 8, 2010 (UTC)