Talk:Keyblade Armor

Name

When the real term for Armour appeared we'll change it immediatly. --Cococrash11 06:33, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

But why are we using some apparent form of old english, hm? "Armor" is the correct spelling, unless this name has been confirmed (which you said it's not, so this shouldn't even be here). Someone give me the green light to move the page please, or have a staff member delete/move it themselves. - EternalNothingnessXIII 10:58, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

I mean't to say the japanese word armour did appear in BBS's youtube video. --Cococrash11 23:28, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

@ENX: There's already a page named "Armor", which is about something else. We'd need to call it "Armor (Birth by Sleep)" or something.--Lapis ofthe Night 23:36, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

@LapisScarab: Why called Armor whats the diffrence between Armour just wondering? --Cococrash11 23:42, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Both spellings are technically correct, but we use American English on the wiki, so "Armour" is changed to "Armor" and so forth.--Lapis ofthe Night 23:49, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Wait you mean Amor is the American word for armour? So Armour is British word right? --Cococrash11 00:23, February 6, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

They're both English words that mean the same thing, but "Armor" is the American spelling and "Armour" is the Brittish spelling.--Lapis ofthe Night 00:32, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Form?

Armor is a From, like Valor Form, or Retro Form, right? If so, we should add it to the Form template. --LegoAlchemist 00:39, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so Armor are like the Keyblade and it seems that Armor had feelings like the Keyblades. Like when Kingdom Key chose Riku and then decided to return to Sora. Its just my opinion. --Cococrash11 01:24, February 6, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Any other opinions? --LegoAlchemist 17:51, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

It strikes me as more of a tool than a form. Sort of a precursor to the Gummi Ship.--Lapis ofthe Night 17:53, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Cape

No.i - I'm Ventus. Call me Ven. TALK - Leave this to me! ~ 23:48, February 6, 2010 (UTC) I just wanted to point out the reason for the capes not being on the armor in birth by sleep, and that is because it would take more time for the game to load if there was moving fabric involved, so it's not there for gameplay purposes. So in reality the capes are really there.

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? You're correct that that is why they were removed, but they're not "really there". The Birth by Sleep game is a retcon of the Birth By Sleep ending video, meaning that canonically they never had capes.

No.i - I'm Ventus. Call me Ven. TALK - Leave this to me! ~ 00:18, February 7, 2010 (UTC) Ah, I see. But then why did the Lingering Sentiment have one in kingdom hearts 2 final mix?

LapisScarab - You accept darkness, yet choose to live in the light. So why is it that you loathe us who teeter on the edge of nothing? We who were turned away by both light and dark - never given a choice? TALK - That may be... however, what other choice might we have had? Probably because the designs hadn't been finalized for the characters, and because that was just Terra's armor in a secret boss fight. Like you said before, animating three capes throughout the entire game would have been too expensive and cause a lot of loading time.

No.i - I'm Ventus. Call me Ven. TALK - Leave this to me! ~ 04:43, March 28, 2010 (UTC) Are you sure it isn't canon? Because even the latest artwork has capes.

The "latest artwork" isn't new. It's the concept artwork from before the game was even released - the stuff they specifically had to leave out because of the rendering issues.Glorious CHAOS! 06:41, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

You'll also notice that Fresh Breeze has a different design in Ven's concept art, namely the "teeth" are facing the opposite direction, so it's not the final, canon design. --Neumannz 07:15, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Capitalized

Armor (Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep)'s Armor is capitalized because its a term that needs to be capiralized like the Keyblade, Gummi Ship, and etc. --Cococrash11 06:41, February 7, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Artwork?

Lord Captain Cecil Harvey - No one ever plays with me anymore. TALK - 21:19, January 2, 2010 (UTC) The "artwork" of the armor looks more like fanart to me...

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 02:21, April 14, 2010 (UTC)   It's from the Ultimania. It's official.

Japanese Name

Doesn't BBS Ultimania provide the Japanese name for Armor? --Cococrash11 05:25, April 14, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Throwback to old FF games?

It occurred to me a week ago so I might as well say it now. Has anyone noticed that the armor worn in BBS might be somewhat of a shout out to the older Final Fantasy games where the protagonists all wore some kind of armor and capes. Every single one up to FFVII where the trend stopped. Kaihedgie 18:50, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

I looked at it as more of a Kamen Rider/Super Sentai influence. Mostly because of the Henshin factor, the slap the sholder or arm peice and transform. And Terra's Keyblade Rider is something like a motorcycle/waverunner thing. Hyperwre_2.0 06:05, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Really looks more like an original concept, not a reference to any game, as far as I can see.--Lord Captain Cecil Harvey 01:21, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

maggosh ...the flint is struck. — "Maybe I should punish you after all." "Come on! Show a little backbone!" Nomura stated he used the Armor as opposed to Black Coats in The Gathering in part due to FFXII's release.

Xemnas

Disneyvillainman - I'm what you might call an expert in the art of Darkness. TALK - Rather a stubborn ol' goat, wouldn't ya say? What proof do we have that Xemnas's armor is keyblade armor. The two things look nothing alike. Is there any proof that his armor in Keyblade armor?

iZerox Think I'll pass. My heart won't be in it. Don't have one, you know? — 01:03, September 25, 2010 (UTC) Look nothing alike? I quite beg to differ. His armor is almost entirely designed in the likeness of Terra's armor. Armored Xemnas.png Terra armor.png Let us start with comparing the heads. Both have the metal plumes coming off on both sides and are identical in almost every way except for color. The only difference is that Xemnas dons a crown. All the keyblade armors have unique shoulder armors, so does Xemnas's. Compare the design and structure of the chest it's quite similar. The key difference here is that Xemnas's is parted by a nobody insignia in the center. Both armors feature elongated arm guards from the lower arm. Xemnas's is quite a deal larger but most everything in his armors design is over the top to add a powerful feel to it. Now I'd like to direct your attention to the feet. Both have metal wings that sprout from them. Xemnas's armor has much smaller ones but they are clearly there. Xemnas is indirectly the nobody of Master Xehanort through the possession of Terra and Xehanort and Terra coexisting as Xehanort. It's reasonable to assume that the abilities of both co-existed in one body much like that of Sora and Ventus. Roxas the Nobody of Sora was able to wield the keyblade and took on the look of Ventus. Why then could Xemnas as the nobody of Xehnort not take on the ability to use keyblade armor from Master Xehanort as both Master Xehanort and Terra coexisted much like Ventus and Sora inside the Xehanort who Xemnas was created from.

Disneyvillainman - I'm what you might call an expert in the art of Darkness. TALK - Rather a stubborn ol' goat, wouldn't ya say? Even though you do have a good point, this is still speculation/original research and therefore is not permitted to be on this wiki.

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - 03:18, September 25, 2010 (UTC) I don't recall MX had an armor piece, I thought Keyblade Armors required a piece of the armor to be put on the users body. Besides, the trio's armor doesn't have any insignia and yet Xemnas' has a Nobody insignia on it. But we still don't know, I can be wrong.

iZerox Talk about blank with a capital B. Man, oh, man. Not even the dusks are gonna crack this one... — 06:54, September 25, 2010 (UTC) We don't ever see Master Xehanort's armor piece but that doesn't mean he didn't have one in the past. Accoding to Xehanort Report II he once wore keyblade armor though he decided to no longer use it so he could grow from darkness. I have no proof and this portion is pure speculation but it is possible that the Crown Shoulder Plate would be Xemnas's shoulder piece used to summon the armor. It would not be impossible for him to have kept the armor piece hidden underneath his Black Coat.

That could be right, but if MX had armor and he decided to don't use it any more then Xemnas should have his armor because he couldn't get it somewhere else. --{{subst:User:Secret agent clank/sig}} 07:01, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

17master - Hey, guys, check out my new camera! TALK - Oh wait, this isn't a camera... - 08:20, September 25, 2010 (UTC) Oh yeah I just read that report. I guess your theory is pretty much acceptable. But the report kind of confused me, MX said the Armor's purpose is to defend the wearer from Darkness just like the Black Coats, then why didn't Aqua use her armor in the secret ending? Unless she didn't know the purpose of the armor except for travelling between worlds :/

iZerox Talk about blank with a capital B. Man, oh, man. Not even the dusks are gonna crack this one... — 15:45, September 25, 2010 (UTC) Are you talking about the secret ending where she meets Ansem the Wise? She's lost her armor by this point it was taken by Braig and the rest and put into Ansem's castle. This is why Xemnas has her armor on display in Final Mix +. Someone added to the article that the Xemnas's armor was attributed to Terra's presence within Xehanort. And I must say that's quite the jump as far as speculation is concerned. But none the less there may be some sense in that unless you consider the existance of the Lingering Sentitment. So Terra has no armor to give. Also @DisneyVillianMan: I understand the no speculation policy. But as the image is one extracted from the game it's official and it is recognizable to be armor like the rest. The origins of the armor are what is speculation but not the armor itself.

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} Xemnas armor is similar to Terra's but it doesn't mean that it is a Keyblade Armor, if we're going to consider it a Keyblade Armor we should also consider Riku's Sidecar Glider as one Keyblade Glider not saying that we should just saying that it would be as bad as saying that Xemnas's Armor is a keyblade armor

iZerox Talk about blank with a capital B. Man, oh, man. Not even the dusks are gonna crack this one... — 16:53, September 25, 2010 (UTC) Then perhaps a Trivia section along the lines of something like this, "Xemnas utilizes armor that bears strong resemblance to Keyblade Armor, though it is unconfirmed if it is Keyblade Armor." Would everyone prefer that?

KrytenKoro - You should have figured out whether bodies age without their hearts, Nomura. TALK - I've already changed the article to reflect that we are not 100% sure it is Keyblade Armor, but He IS a Keyblade wielder, even if he doesn't know how to do it. It should not be treated as trivia, since this type of thing is absolutely unique, and not a coincidence.

iZerox I'm enjoying this. you guys are something else! — 22:37, September 25, 2010 (UTC) I agree with KrytenKoro. Roxas and Xion didn't start out knowing how to use the Keyblade initially from what we know. Roxas at least in the data world had to figure out how to use the keyblade. It only makes sense that Xemnas as the nobody of a (two(?)) keyblade wielders would also have the ability same as Roxas. Though it remains dormant.