Talk:The Caribbean

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Nobody.pngEternal Nothingness XIIINobody.png Soon the emptiness will shatter your heart—here in this world of nothingness! As lightless oblivion devours you, drown in the ever-blooming darkness! — 04:04, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Graceful Dahlia KHD.png I do not think the tentacles fought before Davy Jones are the Kraken. They are more like columns of energy shaped like the Kraken's tentacles, as seen during the Davy Jones fight and when Sora uses the Wheel of Fate's second finisher. Then again, there is a cutscene where tentacles appear that match the Kraken's in terms of texture, yet there is nothing in the story to state Luxord revives the Kraken, who should be dead based on At World's End and The Caribbean's overall plot. Thoughts? What do we say instead of "the Kraken?"

Nthing state that the Kraken was killed at all in the KH universe, and during the Davy Jones boss fight, he call the Kraken, and the tentacles attack Sora and the others. The Kraken simply didn't die in the KH universe, some things are different from the movie, for exemple, Bill Turner seems to not be in Jones's crew even if he was mentioned in KH2, so probably Bill Turner just die after Barbossa took the Pearl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.133.48.129 (talkcontribs)

Davy Jones does not call the Kraken during his boss fight. He simply summons the same energy-tentacles that attack the Black Pearl and are used during Sora's second Wheel of Fate finisher. They share the exact same design. Texturally, these do not resemble the Kraken in any way. Look closely when Luxord first summons them: they have blue swirls all over them and very cartoony-looking suction cups. This does not explain the more film-accurate tentacles that also appear, but to say the Kraken appears in KHIII is false, thus I feel this should be removed from the article. - Challenge Sigil KHD.pngEternal Nothingness XIIIChallenge Sigil KHD.png 00:53, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
During Davy Jones boss battle they are not bright blue, but dark green--5.133.48.129 01:17, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Here the comparison between the tentacles used by Davy Jones and the tentacles summoned by Luxord https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/416693219858972672/541792382664835072/unknown.png?width=960&height=355 --5.133.48.129 01:30, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
The Kraken does not have a part in the Journal/Gummiphone, and it is never really referred to as such in the moment, the tentacles just sort of appear. I would agree that there is no definitive proof that this is the Kraken rather than those magical tentacles. We never see anymore of its either. Although the Kraken is mentioned in the narrative (song) upon entering The Caribbean as having been sent after Jack, this is more of a plot device to cover the events of Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest. I suggest removing it from the page until we have more proof. (Levi657 (talk) 18:28, 6 February 2019 (UTC))
Chernabog too don't appeared in the Journal in KH1, neither Ursula in DDD, so say "he don't appear in the Journal" don't mean so much... I think they don't give to him a page because they just done the tentacles, not the entire body. But, the game heavly implies he is the Kraken, and how I showed in the images, the tentacles used by Davy Jones, are different from the tentacles summoned from Luxord (here the comaprision: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/416693219858972672/541792382664835072/unknown.png?width=960&height=355). I mean, we really need that someone say "hey, that is the Kraken"? For Chernabog the page was done even if nobody name him. In Pirates of Carabeans, the only giant octopus we see is the Kraken, I don't see why that giant octopus should be something different to be honest... if I recall correctly, Tia Dalma too say to Sora and the others that the Kraken will devour them too, so, she confirm he is still alive in KH3--93.150.192.195 18:40, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
I say we wait until the Ultimania. At least for now. The game never mentions that it is the Kraken, only "tentacles" is used. If the game does not mention it, then we have no reason to 100% believe that it is the Kraken or not. If the Ultimania says nothing about it, then we should re discuss it. But for now, let's wait :) Lady Junky (talk) 22:47, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Are y'all certain about that? I'm fairly certain I remember the Kraken being mentioned while in the locker, for how Jack died."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:57, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, Kraken is mentioned at 8:15, and the tentacles at 46:42 and 48:58 do not have the same phantasmal appearance as the finisher, which in any case is blatantly referencing the Kraken."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:58, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
As for Chernabog, he was named by the official guides."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:58, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
I know the game mentions the Kraken. What I meant is that the game never mentions that these tentacles are the Kraken x) Sorry for the confusion! Lady Junky (talk) 21:01, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
If a character talks about a big tentacle monster that works for a certain bad guy swallowing ships, and we later see a big tentacle monster working for that bad guy and swallowing ships, we are allowed to put those pieces together. I'm grateful y'all are trying to stick to the policy about sourcing, but you don't have to take it that far."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 21:12, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Merger?[edit]

Why does this page exist separately from Port Royal - they are both the same world, merely expanded upon. Port Royal is even a location in The Caribbean and bears a lot of similarity structurally to Port Royal as it appeared in Kingdom Hearts II (I'm talking architecture with the alleyways, arched pathways joining buildings etc). In my opinion the two pages should be merged. (Levi657 (talk) 18:28, 6 February 2019 (UTC))

Because this happen with all worlds that have raname (exemple: Hollow Bastion and Radiant Garden)--93.150.192.195 18:40, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
I would argue that this is only the case on pages like Hollow Bastion v. Radiant Garden, Land of Departure v. Castle Oblivion, these are separated largely in part because of spoilers, whereas there is no presence of spoilers in calling Olympus Coliseum "Olympus", referring to the world as a whole, or "The Caribbean" over "Port Royal", which again is just referring to the world as a whole rather than just the specific area that was covered in KHII. Nomura's entire schtick in KHIII was expanding on the world concept, and in interviews The Caribbean and Olympus are referred to as returning world, meaning that they are in fact the same world. Separating them just adds clutter by producing more useless pages. (Levi657 (talk) 22:39, 6 February 2019 (UTC))
It's not a spoilers thing. This wiki doesn't do that. It's because Hollow Bastion is the castle, Radiant Garden is the world, so the topics are cleanly differentiable.
I agree that The Caribbean and Olympus should consume the previous world articles, though."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:56, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
I don't think we should merge the pages. For the Caribbean, we should do the same with Prankster's Paradise and Monstro: cover the Port Royal area on the Port Royal page, with the rest on the The Caribbean page. For Olympus, if we can separate Radiant Garden as the world, and Hollow Bastion as the castle, we can separate Olympus Coliseum as the Coliseum and Underworld (the Underworld has its own page, so it's only covered there for game-related purpose), and Olympus as Thebes, Mt. Olympus, and the Realm of the Gods. TheSilentHero 21:42, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
BbS messes that up, though. "Town near Thebes" is obviously part of that same city. It's the city from the movie, not a separate city."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 00:58, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Don't forget Disney Castle and Disney Town, which are the same world with different names depending on the game. Personally, I would just keep the two articles separated for the games they appear in, but make it clear that The Caribbean is indeed the same world from Kingdom Hearts II. Everyone remembers each other, Barbossa's stint with the Heartless gets brought up, Port Royal itself is a playable location, Luxord reappears to provoke "parley", and so on. UxieLover1994 16:27, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Rough draft[edit]

This writeup contained way too many violations of our manual of style, so it's been moved here for rework.

  • Remove script regurgitation
  • Only cover events given by the games, not the movies (I can't check a script at this moment, but I'm fairly certain Sou Fang is never mentioned, and the "nine pirate lords" plot is implied at best)
  • Use correct tenses
  • use correct timing
===''[[Kingdom Hearts III]]''===
Since the events that took place in [[Port Royal]], [[Jack Sparrow]] along with his beloved ship the ''Black Pearl'' was taken to Davy Jones' Locker; he was to give his soul to [[Davy Jones]] as payment for bringing his ''Pearl'' back from the watery depths and make him captain for thirteen years. However, because it was in Barbossa's control for the following decade, Jack attempted to weasel his way out of the deal by finding the "Dead Man's Chest", which contained Davy Jones' heart. The heart ultimately ended up in the possession of [[Cutler Beckett]], governor of the East India Trading Company; with Jones, and therefore his ship the ''Flying Dutchman'' under his control, he began wiping out pirates to dominate the ocean. Jack ended up being taken to Davy Jones' Locker by the [[Kraken]] as punishment for not paying his debt, along with angering Jones with the attempt. In response, [[Will Turner]], [[Elizabeth Swann]] and Jack's loyal first mate [[Joshamee Gibbs]] teamed up with the remaining crew of the ''Pearl'' to see the aid of the witch doctor [[Tia Dalma]] to find a way to bring back Jack to unite the nine pirate lords. To assist them, Tia Dalma brought back [[Barbossa]], one of the nine pirate lords for an counterattack against Beckett. Acquiring special charts from fellow pirate lord Sou Fang, the crew headed off to find a way into the Locker.

Having arrived in the Caribbean, [[Sora]] got to enjoy being a pirate captain, albeit of a raft and a two man crew consisting of [[Donald]] and [[Goofy]]. Goofy informed him that they were "running out of sea", which turned out to be a waterfall. They awoke in a desert, and began looking around for anything that could help them leave. To their surprise, they found a ship moving on dry land and began chasing after it. Jack Sparrow ran past them, briefly saying "hi" until Sora addressed him without the title "captain". When Sora asked where they were, Jack told him to belay the question and help him catch the ''Pearl'', which was being carried away by crabs. Fighting off the Heartless that had hitched a ride onboard, the quartet boarded the ''Pearl'' and rode the mighty vessel out to a body of water. Using a rowboat, they returned to shore, where Will, Elizabeth, Gibbs, Barbossa and Tia Dalma were waiting for them. While Jack talked with Barbossa, Will and Elizabeth told Sora that they were in Davy Jones' Locker, an afterlife for those who crossed Davy Jones. After initially mistaking everyone for mirages, Jack accepted Sora, Donald, Goofy, Gibbs and Tia Dalma on his ship, as he did not like Will, Elizabeth or Barbossa. However, he was forced to take them on as they had Sou Fang's special charts, which would lead them back to the real world. At sea, Tia Dalma told Sora, Donald and Goofy about Jack's debt to Davy Jones and was surprised that "men of the sea" had not heard of him. Once Sora told her that they were from a 'different sea", Tia Dalma appeared surprised, but told them that the Kraken would once again come after Jack, along with his friends. However, Sora boldly stated that he would fight the Kraken if it tried. Tia Dalma was surprised to hear such bravery, stating it was rare, since most people ran for dry land upon hearing it was coming for them. 

Elsewhere in ship in the sea, [[Luxord]] and [[Vexen]] discuss Davy Jones and his ability to continue existing without a heart. Vexen is fascinated by the idea as even his finest replica isn't capable of such a feat. Luxord tells him to reign in his curiosity as their orders are to simply acquire and black box they find. Vexen then explains that the entire reason he was brought back into the Organization was so they could make use of his research on the replicas. Any stride he makes in that research is a stride for all of them. Luxord relents, but tells Vexen to leave the search to him as he knows this world better than him. Vexen agrees, telling Luxord that he will be waiting in the shadows.

Using one of Jack's mad ideas, everyone manages to get back to world of the living. However, their victory is short lived as soon, they are attacked by Heartless sent by Luxord to impede them. With the [[Raging Vulture]] too far above them, Sora commandeers a [[Vaporfly]] to attack it. Once the Raging Vulture is defeated, the Vaporflies vanish along with it, dunking Sora into the sea. He awakes on an island later with Donald, Goofy and Jack, who explain that the others went on without them as they have important business to take care of. Sora briefly thinks of something Tia Dalma whispered to him before the fight; she promised all the power of the sea under his command if he used the [[Keyblade]] to "free" her. Exploring the island, they find a ship called the ''Leviathan'', which Jack claims captaincy of. They are met by Luxord, who offers a race to Port Royal in exchange for information about the "black box" in that world; if they win, he will give Jack any prize he desires. They win the race, but Jack is tricked into asking for the Dead Man's chest, telling Luxord its on the ''Dutchman'', but not which one. Due to their ship sustaining damage from the Heartless in the race, Jack takes the ship to Port Royal for repairs. He tells Sora, Donald and Goofy to find white crabs for the repairs. Once they do, Jack repairs the ship and asks Sora why he wanted the ship. Sora tells him its so he can sail free as the wind; Jack commends him on the answer, saying he is a true pirate. Jack then explains that he is a copy of the real one, sent by the goddess of the sea Calypso to help them; the real Jack and their friends are about to engage in a fight at Shipwreck Cove. With those words, the copy dissolves into crabs. Sora decides that a fight for pirates is a fight for them as well. 

They sail to Shipwreck Cove, finding the ''Black Pearl'' acting as the flagship for all the pirates assembled. When asked about Jack and Tia Dalma's whereabouts, Sora learns Jack was taken prisoner by Jones and Tia Dalma was the goddess Calypso in human form. They freed her in the hopes she would turn the tide of battle in their favor; Barbossa claims that their last hope has left them. However, Sora is confidant that Calypso will help them again, since she's helped before. Inspired by Sora's hope, Elizabeth gives a rousing speech to the crew of the ''Pearl'', yelling for all ships to hoist the colors. With that, both the ''Pearl'' and ''Leviathan'' charge forward into battle with the ''Dutchman''; Calypso creates a maelstrom that negates any advantages either ship has. As the ''Pearl'' and ''Dutchman'' pelt each other with cannon fire, Luxord appears on the ''Leviathan''; Sora tells him to give up on the chest on the ''Dutchman'', as its just Davy Jones heart in it. However, Luxord is following his orders to take any black box he finds, using the Kraken to trap the ''Pearl'' so he can search the ''Dutchman''. As Sora fights the Kraken to save the ''Pearl'', Luxord finds Jack on the ''Dutchman'' with the chest. Jack cuts him off before he can call parley and uses his bad breath to knock him overboard. Davy Jones finds Jack and scares him into running; however, Sora, Donald and Goofy arrive to help Jack fight off the the aquatic nightmare. Jones uses the Kraken to keep Jack isolated, so he can fight him alone. Will and Elizabeth arrive next to help. When Jones threatens Will's life, Jack holds the open chest, threatening to stab Jone's heart. Hiding on the mast above, Vexen is annoyed by the contents of the box, vanishing after deeming the search a waste of time. Jones stabs Will in the heart before going after Sora, Donald and Goofy for annoying him about knowing the heart better. However, when his back is turned, Jack helps Will stab Jones' heart; Jones falls overboard and into the maelstrom. They are forced to leave Will on the ''Dutchman'' as it sinks below the waves. 

Returning to the ''Pearl'', they wonder what to do next until the ''Dutchman'' rises again, with Will having taken Jones' place as captain. Double-teaming the ''Endeavour'', Beckett's ship, both the ''Dutchman'' and ''Pearl'' riddled the ship with cannon fire as a stunned Beckett can do nothing but accept his defeat. The rest of the East India Trading Company forces withdraw, igniting a celebration among the pirate ships. However, Sora notices Elizabeth sadly looking over at Will. Gibbs explains that Davy Jones was cursed to only be able to walk on land one day every ten years; anyone who takes his place as captain has to suffer the same curse. Making matters worse is the two were only just married. As Elizabeth leaves to spend her one day with Will, Sora notes how unfair it is they only have a day together every ten years. However, Jack tells Sora that he should know best that even if its for a short time, people can convey what's in their hearts. Sora cheers up, resolved to continue his quest to find [[Roxas]] and [[Ventus]]. Unseen by everyone else, the ''Leviathan'' dissolves into crabs, which sink below the waves; Calypso's aid has come to an end. 

After Xehanort's defeat, Will leaves to take on Jones' duty of ferrying souls to the next world; he has also left his heart inside the chest, to be guarded by Elizabeth. Elsewhere, Barbossa steals the ''Black Pearl'' again. Jack and Gibbs are let looking dumbfounded.
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