Talk:Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep/Archive 2

IMPORTANT Re: Voice Actors, etc.

DO NOT be trying to weasel information out of sources that will make them violate their agreements. Nothing on this wiki is so valuable that we should encourage unethical behavior in our editors. If the actor can give the info without violating anything they've agreed to, that's fine, but any sources posted that indicate that the actors are being taken advantage of will be taken down.

Basically - make sure you ask them if they are allowed to tell you, or the info will not be accepted here.Glorious CHAOS! 00:08, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Also, until the game comes out and we can just use the ending credits, each VA must be sourced. I have removed these from the page for now.Glorious CHAOS! 00:13, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

As a followup - the sourcing must actually confirm which role the va is voicing. Several of those recently added, like the Jesse McCartney, Mickey, and Minnie sources, don't actually confirm anything - the Mickey and Minnie one wasn't even anything more than hearsay!

Also, for the two that are e-mail images - did the two VA's know that they're e-mails would be publicly posted? Facebook and twitter are a given for publicity, but publishing someone's private e-mail without their knowledge falls into that whole "really unethical, seriously guys, WTF?"Glorious CHAOS! 22:11, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

What Kryten said times 1000; violating contracts and secrecy clauses can get them reprimanded, or even fired in extreme cases. Disney in particular takes these kinds of things very seriously. This isn't DMZ or Ain't It Cool News, and you're not going to win anything by breaking the news here. Wait for the official announcements. BebopKate 22:26, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I see what you mean with McCartney and the other "word-of-mouth" type ones. I also agree with you on a personal level with the "publishing someone's personal e-mail thing", but it wasn't an e-mail, nor was it intended to be private. Take Kirk Thorton's direct response to a fan on Facebook. Like you said, Facebook and twitter are for publicity, and aren't intended to be private by any means. You make it sound like people are hacking their computers or something. This information was freely given, and we have a right to post it. The only VA I saw say he wouldn't reveal anything due to his contract was Derek Stephen Prince, and we didn't start posting things about him. If it is directly confirmed, we should post it.--Lapis of the Night 22:37, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Which is why I specifically said "for the two that are e-mail images" - two of them are, in fact, screenshots of an e-mail exchange.

On a policy note, at least, there is a reason why e-mails, facebook, and twitter generally aren't accepted as sources on wiki's. We're actually being incredibly lax by using them here, and I'm just trying to make sure that we don't screw the pooch in a pointless haste to "break the news".Glorious CHAOS! 03:34, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

TGS 2009 trailer...

Ok, from what I see, there is a video for the 2008 Jump Fiesta, the 2008 TGS, but there's no video for the 2009 TGS? Odd...are you sure that Square-Enix released a 2009 TGS trailer for Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep?--Pkthis 21:21, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

KrspaceT; Where is that trailer!!!!! Call in the bloodhounds, the search satelittes and a turkey sandwitch ( searching make me famished)

every trailer square has had so far was in a closed theater. apparently someone couldn't smuggle in a camera this time.

(and yes there was a bloody trailer there were at least two other trailer summary's on this page removed because some Jack@$$ was to lazy to search you tube or just trust the crack news team who could get to japan)

Timeline

i've noticed all the birth by sleep articles have already been "Dated" and it all seems a little fishy to me (who says the gathering place is at the end or enchanted kingdom is first, or maybe you have to revisit a world.)

Where are the articles "dated"? I can't find that anywhere. Remember; this game has three storylines. Terra's story, Ven's story and Aqua's story. It is confirmed that all the characters begin their story in the Land of Departure, but they will apparently go their separate ways as the story goes on. Their stories will probably end in The Gathering Place.

I am pretty positive that is the currently confirmed timeline:

Land of Departure
- This is the beginning World!
- Master Eraqus is seen presenting the Master Qualification exam to Terra and Aqua. Ven is apparently not ready for it/old enough/trained enough for it.
- Terra receives advice from Master Xehanort, about controlling the darkness in his heart, rather than getting rid of it.
- Ven encounters Vanitas and he tells Ven that Terra will change in the future (fall into Darkness?). He also tell Ven to follow him, to see it for himself.
- Aqua gives her friends charms, as a promise that they'll meet again. She is also seen talking to Eraqus, saying that Terra won't fall into Darkness.
- Aqua and Eraqus are seen asking Ven to stop while looking into the air (Ven is most likely "teleporting"). From this, we can assume that Terra went away first, and Ven follows Vanitas' advice and decided to follow him. Aqua then goes away, to look for both of them.
- Anyway, the characters all leave this world at some point and go their separate ways to find Master Xehanort (and Vanitas) who have mysteriously disappeared.
Enchanted Dominion
- I am pretty sure this is Terra's first world, since this is where he meets Maleficent and she tells him of the 7 princesses of light, and it's after that that he starts searching for them.
- Someone arrives before Terra, since Aurora is asleep when he's there, but she has also been shown awake. Whether it is Ven or Aqua is unknown.
- Ven and Aqua meet in this world, but that must be a 2nd visit (maybe only for either of them), since Maleficent has already spoken to Terra before she speaks to them.
- Aqua encounters Maleficent again sometime later, without Ven, and asks her if what she said to Ven was a lie. Maleficent claims that it was the truth, and Terra now uses the darkness to gain power. Aqua is later seen battling her along with Philip.
- Ven has also been shown to meet Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather in Aurora's "sleeping room".
Castle of Dreams
- I'm guessing Ven comes here first and perhaps this is his first world.
- Terra and Aqua meet in this world, so we can assume that they arrive around the same time. Aqua is also seen asking Jaq if he knows Ven, which he apparently does.
Dwarf Woodlands
- Ven and Terra definitely arrive before Aqua, since Snow White hasn't eaten the poisoned apple when they're there, but she has been put in the glass coffin when Aqua first arrives.
- I guess Terra arrives before Ven, because the Dwarfs are shown talking to him about another man being there before (possibly Terra). Another hint about that is that Terra is seen talking to the Queen in her normal form, while Ven encounters her in her "old hag" form.
Deep Space
- Ven definitely arrives the last, since he asks 626 is he knows Terra and Aqua and he responds by saying they're his friends.
- Aqua is the one to beat up Gantu, so I guess she comes first, but who knows...
Neverland
- Not enough info to guess in which order they arrive, but we do know that Mickey apparently arrived before Ven, and left something there (a "star fragment").
- Ven has only been seen encountering Tink and Peter in friendly conversation, and he also meets Hook, who is seen holding the Star fragment and Tinker Bell.
- Aqua has been shown along with Peter, Tink and the Lost Boys and she seems to be giving them help with a map (treasure hunt?).
- Terra has been shown in battle stance facing Peter at Skull Rock, but he also seems to have a friendly chat with the lost boys at the same place. Terra also encounters Hook, but they seem to be talking, rather than arguing.
Olympus Coliseum
- Only Ven has been shown in this world, and there, he encounters Master Xehanort. he seems to give Ven quite a scare, and it looks like he is about to attack him as well.
- It is unknown if the other will come to this world as well, thought I find it rather likely that there will be some kind of Games held there.
Yen Sid's Tower
- Only Mickey, Donald and Goofy have been shown to appear here, along with Master Yen Sid, who is training Mickey.
- It is unknown if the playable characters will arrive to this world.
Radiant Garden
- All three characters (Ven, Terra and Aqua) show up here. Braig has been confirmed to meet them all at some point.
- Ven has been shown trying to access the castle, but being stopped by Dilan and Aeleus. Even is also seen talking to someone, about having a connection to that someone in the future.
- Ven and Terra have also been seen "hanging" atop the Great Maw, and talking. There, Terra thanks Ven for saving him. Terra has also been shown holding Ven while Summoning his Keyblade in the Great Maw, talking to an unknown character (most likely Master Xehanort or Vanitas, but it could also be one of the apprentices).
- Aqua meets and saves 4 year old Kairi from a group of heartless. Mickey helps Aqua get rid of the heartless and this is also the first time they meet.
Destiny Islands
- Who knows when this one comes in... I'm guessing this is quite late in the game, at least in Ven and Aqua's story, since this is the place where he asks her to "erase" him (on the mainland).
- It is unknown when Terra arrives to this world, but he is seen standing on the island shore and watching the young Sora and Riku fight with their toy swords. Perhaps he chose Riku that time, and that might be what the Lingering sentiment (Terra in KHIIFM) is blabbing about.
The Gathering Place
- This world will definitely appear in the end (most likely the last world) and all the character's stories will cross here. This will be at the Keyblade War area.
- Another area of this world will appear at least twice during the story of Terra and Ven;
  - Terra is seen meeting Master Xehanort there, and he seems to be telling Terra to "cross over to his origin" and that he's tired of waiting for him. It is unknown if this is in the same conversation, but Master Xehanort also talks about Vanitas' fall into darkness, and he asks Terra to "undo his mistake". it is also unknown in which of their conversation Terra says that he doesn't care about being a Master, and asks what Xehanort has done to "his firend's" Heart. This all takes place in "the gathering place", where the lingering sentiment is fought in KHIIFM.
  - Ven has been shown to encounter Vanitas here, asking about the meaning of his words back in the Land of Departure. They are later seen clash there (and Ven seems surprised that Vanitas has a Keyblade!), and even alter, Ven is seen lying on the ground. Mickey then comes to his aid. This is either at the same place as Terra and Xehanort meet, or in a new area that looks similar...

I hope that helps someone... - Ice boy^Svalur! 19:17, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Vehicles

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person
TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I found these on the official BbS site. Note how they look like each rider's keyblade. We need a place to put this

maggosh ^{Strike backwards...} — "That's a nice expression."

_{You're terrified, aren't you?}

Indeed we do.

Xiggie ^{Buy / Sell} — Welcome! What do you wanna do?

_{Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— 13:53, November 29, 2009 (UTC)}

Wait a second! remember how the Lingering Sentiment could transform his keyblade into stuff? one of those was THIS thing (at the top)! I think that this is definitely their way of getting around the universe! this should be on their keyblade articles...

maggosh ^{Strike backwards...} — "That's a nice expression."

_{You're terrified, aren't you?}

I do believe it is now...

It shall be interesting as to how this is explained in BbS as the previous games said that travel was impossible until the DtD was opened. Hopefully we see some insight into that explanation soon.

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grammatical error in the World section: "Castle Oblivion might appear due to it's unknown past as well as it's supposed connections to the Chambers of Repose and Waking."

should read: "Castle Oblivion might appear due to its unknown past as well as its supposed connections to the Chambers of Repose and Waking."

Theme song

maggosh ^{Strike backwards...} — "That's a nice expression."

_{You're terrified, aren't you?}

This section needs to be removed. NOTHING has been confirmed yet. We've had Fate of the Unknown up until now, and everyone thinks it's official because they used a different song? No.

Xiggie ^{Buy / Sell} — Welcome! What do you wanna do?

_{Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— 23:45, December 15, 2009 (UTC)}

Yes, it sort of has been confirmed! so far, they've always used the game's theme song in their trailers and commercials or some battle music. Since Simple and Clean (Hikari) is not a battle theme, so I think we can safely assume that this will be the game's theme song!

Don't they always use Hikari for the TV spots? Even the ones for KH2 and Days? HarpieSiren 23:55, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

maggosh ^{Strike backwards...} — "That's a nice expression."

_{You're terrified, aren't you?}

No, they used Sanctuary/Passion. Not exactly helping my case here...

Xiggie ^{Buy / Sell} — Welcome! What do you wanna do?

_{Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— 11:05, January 6, 2010 (UTC)}

in a recent interview with Nomura, he stated that the theme song would be Hikari/Simple and Clean. Here's that little bit:

-- We’ve seen some scenes from the opening movie, what is the song that will be playing this time?

Nomura:' The same song we’ve been using, Hikaru Utada’s “Hikari”. Setting that alongside the movie, we put in scenes that echo the secret movie from KHIIFM, with scenes of their training, and scenes with them holding their charms.

I'm gonna add that information to the article, oh and BTW, I am pretty sure that "scenes of their training" is a reference to the Aqua vs. Terra thing.

Master Xehanort ^{Talk to Me!} You need to see it with your own eyes. When you stop being yourself.

_{Show me your strength!}

From watching the opening video, I can confirm the Theme Song is Hikari/Simple and Clean by Utada Hikaru, only in its PlanetB Remix.

NEW TRAILER 8D!!

Ninabean822 - No matter what, I'll always be with you.
TALK - Sora, don't ever change.

hey guys (^-^) i found a new trailer for bbs that i think u guys should check out :)

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maggosh ^{Strike backwards...} — "That's a nice expression."

_{You're terrified, aren't you?}

Did you REALLY think we didn't know about it? It's on BbS' page, for crying out loud.

Zack Fair could be in this game. Look at 0:07 of the latest commercial. (He's talking to Hercules) --Silver Mage Ω 08:24, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Damn, you're late. He's been confirmed two weeks ago Kaihedgie 08:43, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, dude. I've been out of touch. Was only looking at FFXIII. Also, I've been cleaning up the DMC wiki. Apologies, I just found out yesterday :P --Silver Mage

Awakening in BBS

At the beginning of the commerical, that was Awakening. I don't know if anyone else noticed, or if it has already been noted on the Awakening page, but it was there.--User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig 23:23, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah it's already in the Awakening page, actually its been there for like two days:-).--Masgrande 20:30, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Non Existent Voices

I think somebody went crazy with the voice actors section.--Masgrande 20:22, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

No its accurate. IMDB.com has already confirmed most o the enlgish voice actors already...

You can't trust IMDB. As you see, they still have Japanese actors on there. That's just a "guess" of who's to be voicing them, the actors from the characters main series. Wait for confirmation from the actors themselves. - Eternal Nothingness XIII

maggosh ^{Strike backwards...} — "That's a nice expression."

_{You're terrified, aren't you?}

That's why I'm sticking to emailing all the voice actors on the list.

We should take down all of that voicing data. Don't want all those people to get, y'know, FIRED71.54.128.73 02:31, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

maggosh ^{Strike backwards...} — "That's a nice expression."

_{You're terrified, aren't you?}

...Who are you?

An anon who recognizes that these confirmations fly in the face of Disney and Square's confidentiality contracts,possibly leading to some form of corperate retrobution.Also that didn't sound very polite you big MEANIE.71.54.128.73 15:36, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

maggosh ^{Strike backwards...} — "That's a nice expression."

_{You're terrified, aren't you?}

You seem to LIKE to put EMPHASIS on random WORDS like a Frank Miller comic BOOK.

Regardless, these have been confirmed without any breaches in their confidentiality agreements.

It was hardly random, the first post emphasized they would be fired as the most important part of the sentence that I wished to emote on,and I was trying to reflect my hurt at your impolite meanness in my second post.71.54.128.73 17:34, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Japanese Voice Acting

Since theres a section about english voice acting shouldn't there be a a list of Japanese voice actor? --Cococrash11 03:07, December 23, 2009 (UTC)Cococrash11

maggosh ^{Strike backwards...} — "That's a nice expression."

_{You're terrified, aren't you?}

If you don't mind, I'll answer your answer with a question; can you speak Japanese?

We generally don't list the casts in the game articles. ETA: I assume it's just to keep a running tally on what English VAs are confirmed. Right?HarpieSiren 03:11, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

maggosh ^{Strike backwards...} — "That's a nice expression."

_{You're terrified, aren't you?}

Right. It should be removed by the time the NA version is released and the cast list is revealed.

Trailers

First off, the Jump Festa and TFS trailers need to be replaced with the raw trailers, not fan-subtitled. For one, it seems to present the subtitles as official, for two, if there are inaccuracies, then it will only cause confusion, and for three, it seems inappropriate to use edited materials in the mainspace.

Second off, we need to remember that when the game is released, those trailer sections will be reduced to a video gallery.

Finally, the trailer sections need to be cracked down upon - the JF 2010 has no cohesive unity, and reads like someone on E. Different scenes should have different paragraphs, and absolutely no speculation, or design descriptions (like the Lea bit) should be made - just describe the events of the trailer.Glorious CHAOS! 05:28, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Lock?

do you guys think we should lock this due to how close the JPN release date is?

This should be brought before an admin. They're in charge of locking the pages. But yes, it should. I'd say it should only be for registered users. This goes for all the Birth by Sleep articles, as well. -