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Hello, I've just recently joined this wiki forum. I am a fan of the series and I hope I do good here with other fans. I have loved kingdom hearts since the beginning, and am faithfully following its story and am definitely looking foreword to number 3 with my sister. now I've browsed other fan sites and discussions but no one seems to be thinking about this subject about the games "worlds". when I started out I thought that all the final fantasy and Disney worlds were other alien planets (ala star wars) now that I'm older I now think that the universe of KH is based inside a Disney/Final fantasy multiverse. And that the worlds are really alternate realities/ alternate earths of a sort.

the invisible shell like barriers that protect the world are the boundaries' of said world/universe, and the Space between worlds is an interdimensional space like void that can be traversed through with the right way to travel.

kind of like a Disney/Final Fantasy meets "Sliders"...heck that's a good way to describe the series.

Here is why I think this.

Think about it for a second: on destiny islands you had young kid versions of Tidus and Waka, obvious not the same Characters from FFX.

then you had your Fairy versions of Yuna, Paine and Rikku (who came from who knows where) found in hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden.

Alice doesn't remember where she came from before wonderland but she can be assumed to have come from an alternate London and not the same London or England that Wendy or Jane come from in their respective worlds ( Deep jungle, Neverland) and Pride lands is set in a way different Africa than Tarzans Africa.

Plus you have worlds set in different eras of the past (Land of the dargons, Port Royal, Beasts Castle, Agrahbah...) but they all seem to based on an form of Earth thus explaining how they "all share the same sea, same sky"

this Fan speculation theory does not include worlds like Disney castle, Christmas/Halloween town, End of the world or TWTNW as the first three are worlds of their own and the other two are artificially made I believe.

and it was said Tron in KH2 was copied from the original Tron world, and Encom is mentioned in Space Paranoids and The Grid... so a world that looks like ours minus the cyberspace world exists in kingdom hearts sky among the stars somewhere.

this also includes the mention of Shibuya, a Japanese location in real life.....

So I don't know, maybye I'm reading to much into this I don't know.

I just think the idea that the worlds are parallel worlds of a sort in a multiverse make a lot of sense...and to me make the series more cooler because I like the Multiverse genre of fiction.

so what do you think? what are your thoughts on the subject.


OPXion4EverIcon.png This was posted over here, unsigned by User:MatermindSypher08. The edit was reverted on the talk page as article talk pages are for editing discussion. Ergo, I've moved the discussion here. For anyone interested, here you go.
Xion4ever Who am I? — 04:03, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

UxieLover1994 Cuando la vida te da las herramientas, a construir motos libración — 12:02, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
480MS.png That could be plausible, but the mention of "worlds having their own time axis" would make things more confusing and difficult, not to mention leaving a massive plot hole for Halloween Town. It would be pretty horrible for worlds to be only around a few hundred kilometers wide, as that'll leave us with nightmares and desire to escape our tiny worlds (like Riku did).

My current theory is that some of the worlds are the same, only set in different eras (though how this could be possible without time travel is questionable). For example: La Cité des Cloches, Beast's Castle, and Country of the Musketeers are set in France and they could be the same world, only at different time sets. The former seems to be set between 1366 - 1700 (as Notre Dame de Paris was finished in 1345, and Quasimodo was 20 in the film), and the latter two were set before the 1790s.

Very few worlds are set in the modern day, with only Shibuya and The Grid being confirmed cases, and Deep Space and (maybe) the Pride Lands hinted to be. Most would be set as late as the 1940s, or as early as before the birth of Christ. The multiverse of this series is... just plain confusing.*

'02:55, 17 July 2014 (UTC)MatermindSypher08 (talk)--MatermindSypher08 (talk) 02:55, 17 July 2014 (UTC)Matermindsypher08

well I hope I'm doing this right by trying to comment in the discussion of my own discussion to talk to other users, but here goes nothing. UxieLover1994, not to disrespect your opinion or anything as your opinion is your own but that's a shame....I myself liked "Deep Jungle" and don't understand how it is considered non canon because it didn't show up in Sora's memories or whatnot, as its lack of presence in the story would make no sense. As that's where the Distrust and animosity between Donald Duck and Sora came to a head and was resolved....btw "no,no,no!!!! Daisy would kill me!" cracks me up every time.

but as I said, your opinion is your own and I respect that. I just personally like deep jungle because I liked "Tarzan", and loved fighting alongside him against the heartless invasion of the KH multiverse.

and to add to your previous post about the complexity of the worlds set in past era's like beasts castle and how you think that they are same world, different eras of time....that world make sense....except for Country of the musketeers where its France is inhabited by Anthromorphic Animals.

they way I think.....and I might use the show as a comparison sometimes because it taught me a lot about multiverse fiction. but in the sliders Episode "the Guardian" the sliders land in a world that is in 15 years in the past or something and one of the Characters sees himself as a young kid living out his life the same as his own past did at that age. it is said that they didn't time travel or anything but instead landed on a world where times progression foreword ran differently than theirs. so it was same day and month, but different year in that world... so it was the past in the present for them, but the present running through to the future for everyone else.

so that might explain the "worlds time axis" part, most seen worlds might be running on a synchronized type of time axis with the other worlds so that the travelers see nothing different, but in worlds like Land of the Dragons, Olympus coliseum etc...the worlds might run on varied slowed and different time axis's.

Anyway that's what I think would explain the worlds having their own time Axis, like an "orary" maybe some fast, some in synch, some slower than the others.

Also, worlds like Halloween town are representations of something non-physical (Halloween and Christmas holidays)so the inhabitants of those type of worlds would only know their respective holiday lives and be fine with it (with the exclusion of jack wanting something new and Santa being semi omnipresent) and Destiny islands I personally think exists in a pocket universe type world....only the known islands seem to exists and an Ocean that supposedly just goes right back to the islands. also most inhabitants don't think about leaving to other worlds because the don't know about them. Riku did....but only thanks to finding out about them.

But you think its in a Universe, or a Multiverse? Matermindsypher08

UxieLover1994 Nya? — 06:25, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
678FMS.png Deep Jungle was canon... until Disney was forced to cut them out of continuity without losing trillions of dollars and the premature end of this series. So, in my words, "Deep Jungle never happened". As of KHII, it has officially been retconed from continuity. I was actually hoping that John Carter would change ERB Inc's mind on the return of Deep Jungle in a future title, but it's box office bomb makes it more unlikely now.

Also, you can post comments onto the actual forum articles. There's no need to post them on the talk pages.

--MatermindSypher08 (talk) 13:00, 17 July 2014 (UTC)MatermindSypher08

Uxielover1994: yeah sorry about that, misdirection with the instructions. so that's what the Retcon of deep jungle was about? Hmmm...well, if and when they do a world based on the jungle book, I hope they have better luck with the Rudyard Kipling's estate than with Edgar Rice Burroughs. anyway did my previous post make more sense about the "worlds time axis" or did it just make it more confusing? And I hate to sound like a broken record....but from yours and other users you think that kingdom hearts exists in a multiverse or just ONE universe. btw nice user icon, I like the Jak and Daxter series....not sure who the other icon image is though.

UxieLover1994 Nya? — 16:55, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
678MS.png If you ask me, one universe and worlds being only a few hundred kilometers large would be too depressing for those who love adventure (like myself), so chances are, multiverse is more likely, but it's not up to me to decide.

And regarding the images, I guess you would not be familiar with Ratchet & Clank, as the image for this box, and the one above, happen to be Angela Cross. This box is her normal attire; the one above is during her time as the Unknown Thief.

--MatermindSypher08 (talk) 00:39, 18 July 2014 (UTC)Matermindsypher08

"Ratchet and Clank" is on my to try out list....and I agree, one universe with worlds only a few hundred Kilometers wide INDEED would be depressing....which makes me look foreword to how the environments of whatever worlds appear in kingdom hearts 3 will be in size and explorabillity. also, being on the subject of KH as a multiverse....I wonder if so...then The Key blade Graveyard would technically be Like "Earth Prime" type world....the world where all worlds split off from.....because that's where the original World/Universe was swallowed and splintered by darkness and then rebuilt by the light into many. And that's where it seems to be the best place to summon the true Kingdom hearts because its what's left of the original world. add Kingdom hearts to the mix and you have a world that could be used to influence all the rest.

Deep Jungle still showed up in I.5, the most recent game. It's still canon. As for London, that kind of thing, London is a big place. There's no reason to assume that these various citizens, none of whom are notable enough to have heard of each other anyway, can't still reach the same London. Neverland is pretty wibblywobbly about whether that world includes London anyway -- it could be something that you could reach from each world, but can't take the shortcut of the Gummi Ship."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 01:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

UxieLover1994 Tiempo de morder de nuevo con el poder! El tema de hoy: su sorpresa! — 01:59, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
710MS.png Por supuesto que apareció en el remake. Se requiere, de lo contrario no habría ninguna nueva versión de alta definición ... o por lo menos un orificio de parcela.

I guess London could be a world of it's own. Or could even be in the same world as Shibuya. It's quite possible for Wendy and Alice (and Jane) to come from the same world.

Maybe we can call it, Omniverse. — 19:55, 13 September 2014 (UTC)