Talk:Realm of Nothingness

So I decided to edit this page (it was before I created my account, so I'm not listed as the contributor, but whatever). The reason I decided to edit it is because it made no sense based on the information in the games. This is what I have concluded from playing the games:

(Spoiler Warning!!!)

I've been all over the net about Kingdom Hearts and Keyblades and everyone seems totally lost and confused about this subject--but I don't see why. As of KH II there are 4--FOUR known wielders:

Sora, Riku, Kairi and Mickey (Roxas DOESN'T COUNT, he can only wield because he is Sora's Nobody--period. His Keyblades are merely shadows/memories of the real one Sora wields, which is why they retain the same forms).

There are four known realms: Light, Darkness, Twilight and Nothingness (which has yet to appear in-game).

Sora = Light (Kingdom Key)
Mickey = Darkness (Darkside)
Riku = Twilight (Way to Dawn)
Kairi = Nothingness (Destiny's Embrace)

"Why does Kairi wield the Keyblade of Nothingness?" you may ask... Well, consider what we know about the Realm of Nothingness. DiZ spent time there and spoke about it. What did it take to survive there? He had to "remember his past". When does Kairi receive her Keyblade from Riku? Shortly after she "remembers her past". Why is everyone so confused about this?

Before people start asking goofy questions, let me answer a few up front:

1) The "keyblade" Riku used in KH I was not a real keyblade (the red and black Oblivion blade). It had no keychain. Riku did not recieve his true Keyblade until some time during KH II (the first battle with him in The Land of Dragons, he still had his Soul Eater sword). Riku and Sora battled for control of the Kingdom Key during KH I, but Riku lost since Sora's heart was "stronger" (i.e., more Light oriented).

2) Roxas wields Kingdom Key, Oathkeeper and Oblivion because of the symbolism. Kingdom Key represents the memory of his true self (Sora), Oathkeeper represents the memory of Kairi, and Oblivion represents the memory of Riku. They are Sora's closest friends, and therefore, his strongest memories.

3) Mickey wield's Darkside because he has a strong heart that remains uncorrupted, even in Darkness.

As for why Riku had Kairi's Keyblade in the first place? I can only speculate. Perhaps that Keyblade belonged to DiZ, and he gave it to Riku to pass on to Kairi. I don't know. It's the only question about this particular subject, so far as I can tell, that is still unanswered at this point.

Anyway, if that doesn't mostly clear it up for you, then I don't know what to tell you. Pay more attention to the games, I guess. I know they are kind of confusing at times, but they provide all the necessary information to piece it together if you actually pay attention.

Nethrelm 11:31, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually the Dark Keyblade, the one created by the hearts of six of the princesses of heart, is an unfinished keyblade. Itlacked Kairi's heart therefore laked a keychain

Roxas-rules 12:21 am November 18

Nomura has said in the Director's Report that Kairi and Riku's Keyblades are the same nature (Light realm) as Sora's. So, this whole thing doesn't work. He goes on to explain that there's only two types of realm for the keyblade - light and darkness, for the two sides of a door.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 10:01, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Realm of In-Between = Realm of Nothingness

KrytenKoro - This is the song that runs under the credits; these are the credits, so this is where it goes. 'has nothing to do with the movie so we'll say, "Hey! Hey! Hey hey hey hey hey hey!" TALK - " The Realm of the Present...The Realm of darkness. The Realm of light. And, The Realm of in-between. " "An existence neither of darkness nor of light. An in-between existence. Cast off by the heart, a mere shell, one who begrudges both the darkness and the light." " It appears my other five apprentices, believing it was for the sake of research, stared deep into the darkness and were pulled into it. Even, Ienzo, Braig, Dilan, and Aeleus... They have ceased to be human. I, too, have had everything taken away from me, banished to a hollow realm of nothingness. " "With this new power, I uncovered a "corridor of darkness" that connects the realm of nothingness to the outside world. While it is still difficult to come and go as I please, my banishment is now a thing of the past." "This "realm between" is quite unstable, with corridors of darkness appearing from time to time." The Realm of In-Between and the Realm of Nothingness seem to be two terms for the same thing - the place between darkness and light, which is connected to the outside world by corridors of darkness. Then you have Xemnas' speech, which basically claims that Nothingness is between Light and Darkness. Finally, the term "Realm of In-Between" comes from the Final Mix, and so is only a translation. I would also think that because "Realm of the present" and "Realm of the Light" are not the same thing, that the Disney worlds might not be in the realm of the light. Then again, the whole thing's kind of messed up. It might work if it meant "realm of Twilight", not "Realm of Light", but those use completely different kanji.

Wouldn't the "realm of the present" that was mentioned in the final mix report be the realm of darkness?Since that's where Xeanort ended up after becoming a heartless.--74.210.24.180 04:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Because he goes on to list it, I would suggest not. I'd like to get a crack at the original Japanese to get a literal translation, though.Glorious CHAOS! 16:22, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Moved from Twilight

Twilight represents the realm in between Light and Darkness. It borrows powers from both forces, using both elements in ways that would not be the norm. It is relatively unknown as even King Mickey was not aware of it until realizing the path Riku took. But nonetheless, the existence of this element allows many that were normally against the darkness to accept it as something that can be used for good.

DiZ refers to this path as "the twilight road to nightfall" but Riku calls it "the road to Dawn". Since the nobodies, who are said to be twilight beings, possess neither light nor darkness it can be assumed that there are two different interpretations of the term twilight: the first being Riku's twilight which indicates a fusion of light and dark, and the second being a broader definition encompassing all that does not fall under light or dark. Worlds that are tied to both Realm of Light and the Realm of Darkness are known as twilight worlds (Twilight Town and Traverse Town are notable examples).

Game glich.

Gnut2.0 - It is the fate of a Nobody TALK - An entity shrouded in mystery. This was a while ago, but I still remember it. I was playing KHII and Roxes. I was just running around the place, attacking Duscks when I jumped on the small, blue roof that leads to the sandlot. Suddenly, I fell through it and I landed shortly on the ground in some dark room. I knew it was a room when I heard foot steps when I waked and when a Shadow heartless attacked me. It was the only one and the only way I was able to see him was by flowing the bouncing eyeballs. After that, I was stuck there. There was nowhere to go and every where I looked, there was black. So I had to restart the game. I have never bean able to go back to there, but every time I do, I try my best to recreate the way inside. My question is, where did I go? Was I in the realm of nothing? some deleted room that was never taken out fully? I don't know and was wondering if anyone knew, as I want to put my story on the trivia part of the article. What do you think?

LotsoBearLover - Welcome to sunnyside! TALK - You've got a playdate with destiny!" You probaly hacked the game somehow gnut2.0 :D

Gnut2.0 - It is the fate of a Nobody TALK - An entity shrouded in mystery. No, I swear I didn't hack the game! It just happened. I Swear!

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. What version of the game did you play? If it was Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+, you might have accidently found a way into a Bottomless Darkness room form Re:CoM.

Gnut2.0 - It is the fate of a Nobody TALK - An entity shrouded in mystery. No, I was playing the regular old Kingdom Hearts II. what do you say to that?

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. hmmmmmm....Interesting indeed. Maybe it was a prototype Bottomless Darkness room or something. I sevrely doubt it was a the Realm of Nothingness, or anything canonical for that matter. Just an accidental fall into an edited-over, unused area. I doubt you'll do it agian, though.

LotsoBearLover - Welcome to sunnyside! TALK - You've got a playdate with destiny!" Maybe it was the awaking XD

Gnut2.0 - It is the fate of a Nobody TALK - An entity shrouded in mystery. Now that you mention it ghosboy3000, I do remember a small light, the size of a silver dollar on the screen, when I looked up. I didn't talk about it before because I could look up for long periods of time because of the camera control.