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==WTH!?==
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|text=I have an idea about what the keyblade war is. In the secret endings there are hundreds of keyblades on what could very well be a battlefield. I think there was some sort of keyblade wielders school with many keyblade masters (xenahort being 1 of them) and the keyblade wars was the apprentices of many keyblade masters fighting xenahort and his apprentice and a large army of unbirths (the large monster that terra defeated) controlled by MX (which would also explain them being the enemies fought in the game). But both armies were wiped out except for Terra, Aqua, Ven and Master Xenahort and his apprentice. Mickey missed the main battle because he was just starting as a keyblade wielder (we see a clip of his training and he shows far less skill with the keyblade than he does now) and had been kept back by his master Yen Sid, but he snuck to the battle. This keyblade war would also explain why the secret endings are the only times in the game (the multiplayer mode doesnt count) when TAV were wearing their full suits of armor: they had to be prepared for a huge battle. I think it also takes place near or at the end of BbS. --[[User:Sacul097|Sacul097]] 22:41, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
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In the gallary there is an image showing Ven looking at a crater, but when you click on it to enlarge the image, it instead shows AQUA looking at the crater. --Evnyofdeath 19:48, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
:It's haunted.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 20:01, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


The whole school for ____ is extremely overused such as Harry Potter and Yu-Gi-Oh GX.  I think that Square-Enix would be a little more original than that, or they could be what they are, Keyblade Knights.
What where provide a link plz!


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|text= Well I don't necessarily mean a school. Just some sort of large group of keyblade masters and their apprentices. I'm just trying to indicate that I think there were probably a lot of keyblade wielders based on the sheer number of keyblades on the battlefield. And I'm pretty sure there is some sort of master/apprentice system because there is master yen sid and mickey is his apprentice and there is master xenahort and the apprentice is his... apprentice. --[[User:Sacul097|Sacul097]] 00:40, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
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Oh well that makes sense.  You really scared me with the Keyblade Weilders School.  My only problem with the Master/Apprentice system is that Yen Sid isn't a Keyblade weilder...  as far as we know.
Can someone provide a link for this?{{SUBST:User:Lssj4/sig2}} 18:29, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


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== Was the Keyblade War fought by the Unions? ==
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|text= As far as we know the star seeker could be his keyblade that he gives to all the people he teaches until they get one of their own. Like I said, I think mickey was probably just starting so he might not have a keyblade of his own yet.--[[User:Sacul097|Sacul097]] 01:37, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
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Looking at the events of ''Kingdom Hearts X'', it would be a good bet to say the Unions are responsible for the whole war. At a guess, the [[Lux]] competitions finally got out of hand and each Fortuneteller had their own agendas for protecting [[Kingdom Hearts (world)|Kingdom Hearts]]. [[Ava|Fortuneteller Ava]] founded the Dandylion group, telling them to protect the light. This group could be what started the Keyblade wielders that sparked the current days' protectors and the Dark Seeker Saga.
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|text=Only problem with that is the fact that there are only a few keyblades shown in this game so far with a keychain. Even some keyblades shown in other games, such as wishing lamp, don't have keychains. My explanation for this (which I didn't intend to put here because I was originally just talking about the keyblade war) is that all the keychains that we know from the rest of the series haven't been created yet. I think that the few keyblades that are still around in soras time (yes I know he's alive during this game, I mean when he gets the keyblade) are special keyblades. I think that after the keyblade war, since there was no one left to weild the keyblades until the heroes chosen to weild the kingdom keys and the way to dawn (the keys of light, dark, and in between) the essences of all the other keyblades were transformed into keychains. I think that any keychains before this had simply been for decoration and the keyblades created in the present day, such as kairi's, only have keychains because they are created from the soul of the wielder and as such embody their personality and also have keychains because since they are created from the weilders memories, and she has seen sora's keyblade so having a keychain (and being a skeleton key because we know there have been keyblades that werent) are part of what a keyblade is to them. And sorry that this comment is really disorganized, read it a few times and you'll get what I mean.--[[User:Sacul097|Sacul097]] 02:17, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
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{{TNE|time=02:29, October 6, 2009 (UTC)|text=Indeed. Then again, they always say "The Keyblade's chosen one" - could it have something to do with this ?}}
The light in the hearts of children that rebuilt the lost world, would have been this group. They then divided the worlds to make sure that there was no chance of another Keyblade war. It's possible Kairi's grandmother was one of them, or at least the following generation afterwards as the war took place 100 years before the original Kingdom Hearts. Xehanort's reports mention that his and Eraqus' Master wasn't the only one, which further implies the Dandylions were the progenitors of the new Keyblade weidlers.


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I am SO betting this is what the plots have been leading to.{{unsigned|50.249.204.21}}
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:Firstly, sign your posts with these: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Secondly, it's [[Foreteller]] not [[Fortuneteller]]. Thirdly, we don't know specifically when the events of Unchained/χ take place, so wherever you heard that it was 100 years ago is WRONG. Fourthly, while this IS what most likely happened, it's still just speculation, which we don't allow here. 'Cause when it comes to the Kingdom Hearts series, you really shouldn't take things at face value. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:39, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
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|text=Quite possibly. Sora was chosen by the kingdom key (originally was supposed to be Riku but he turned to darkness), Mickey was the chosen one of the kingdom key D, and Riku got way to dawn as a sort of booby prize (not really but the original chosen one of way to dawn is unknown and riku only got it because he used light and dark) and the keychains were made to be used by these three (although they will probably work with Kairi's keyblade as well) Also, I just remember that there have been instances of people to giving someone else their keyblade, such as when Roxas let Xion use his in days (my favorite level of the game because Roxas gets a stick that he found on the floor as his weapon which doesn't even make any sense because they were in the middle of Beast's Castle which is made of stone) and in the first KH when Riku takes Sora's keyblade. Wow I just realized that I am physically incapable of leaving a short comment. This comment was originally going to be just that first sentence.--[[User:Sacul097|Sacul097]] 02:54, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
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== Everything up to KH3D was horseshit ==
{{KrytenKoro|From what we've seen of BBS, the Keyblade master's are ''way'' more based on Jedi than Harry Potter or Yu-gi-oh.


Riku is a Light-realm Keyblader, just as Sora is. He's not a "twilight realm" or anything. There are also Keyblades for any strong heart, which is why Riku and Kairi have them. You should probably read the [[Director's Secret Report XIII]].
So, with Back Cover and KHX showing us that the Keyblade War was not fought over the X-blade and Kingdom Hearts itself, as claimed in ''every previous game up to and including KH3D'', but was instead about general mistrust about who the traitor was that was going to betray the World to the encroaching darkness, with the X-blade never once being mentioned, what in god's name are we going to do? Is there some interview I'm missing that explains how this isn't a massive, universe-redefining retcon?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 23:41, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
:I'm just gonna sit here, wait for Shard to extract the textures from 2.8 so I can get around to recompiling them and uploading, and really, not much else lol.  It's obvious Tetsuya Nomura has no fucking clue what he's doing.  He never has, and he never will.  And not just with Kingdom Hearts either - that's precisely why he was kicked off of Versus XIII and the project was given to Tabata.  So as far as I'm concerned, there is utterly no point in trying to figure out ANY of this shit since he retcons it every ten minutes.  In layman's terms, Kyrten, [http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/ina-garten/sea-breeze-cocktail-recipe.html here's my suggestion to your question].  You'll thank me for it, and not only because it's delicious, but because it all makes his bullshit just...''just float away like a blur''.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 00:23, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
::Well, the only we can do is point out the contradiction in the articles. But this is a real doozy. The Keyblade War that was fought over the χ-blade was the basis for the series itself, only it to get tossed aside like a rag doll. So, if the Keyblade War wasn't over the χ-blade itself, then how is KHIII going to tie into all of this? I'm guessing they're just going to stick with the original story?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Think we should make a label for it?  Just like how we've got a little notice for stubs, maybe we should have something for contradicting information?  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 03:27, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Isn't it possible that Xehanort was just ''wrong''? [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 05:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Could be.  But the most likely explanation is that Nomura doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 05:41, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Can you never assume good faith with anyone? [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:43, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
::::::Can you ever not take everything so personally even when it doesn't remotely concern or involve you?  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 04:49, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::::No more of this. Neither of you are acting in good faith.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:46, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Well, maybe I'm wrong, but do we know how long was the Keyblade War? I mean, the War could have began because of the mistrust between the Unions, but at a later point they begin to fight for the X-Blade to get the light of KH, and so ruling over the other?
Remember what Aced was saying at the end of KHx? He wanted to be the only leader/king to make sure peace is possible. And we know that, at one point, all Unions began to gather light to become the strongest one -> "Over time, people came to desire the power of Kingdom Hearts". So, I'd say the real reason of the beginning of the war is the mistrust of the Unions (which seem to be something Xehanort does not know), but to win the war, all Unions fought and tried to get the X-Blade and KH to rule over the other? (after all, Gula said he wanted to summon KH in Back Cover) [[User:Lady Junky|Lady Junky]] ([[User talk:Lady Junky|talk]]) 07:26, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Lady Junk proposes an interesting theory, but unfortunately, that's all there is to it. The fact of the matter is that we now presented with contradictory information about the Keyblade War with the release of KHX and ''Back Cover''. Again, I think, right now at least, is we mention the info KHX and ''Back Cover'' has given us. Maybe with KHIII, they'll elaborate more about the Keyblade War. Or maybe an interview with Nomura will come out and we can clear up the confusion.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:29, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


Something important to note is that even though Roxas can change his Keyblade's shape and powers with Gears, the Keychain is always the same, except for those Keyblade forms he inherited from Sora (Kingdom Key, Oathkeeper, Oblivion, Two Become One). So, Keyblade form-changing and Keychains are NOT directly related - and the whole leadup to KH2, especially the comments about Roxas (see [[Oathkeeper/Oblivion]]) indicate in fact that the Keychain's are symbols of a memory, and that MEMORY is what changes the Keyblade's form - so a true master of the Keyblade could manipulate his Keyblade as he so liked - as seen with the Lingering Sentiment and the Dark Keyblade. The Keychain seems to in fact be a focus for the memory, much like the horse was for Ren Tao in Shaman King.}}
== Second War ==


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|text=Then why are there keyblades from present day seen in the gathering? And why don't they have keychains? And the forms that Roxas got from Sora are there because Roxas' keyblade ''is'' Sora's keyblade. Although you may be right about them being memories as Oathkeeper represents Sora's memories of Kairi. Although this doesn't disprove my theory as the remaining keyblade masters still could have turned the memories of the keyblades into keychains. So maybe most keychains were created by the old keyblade masters to keep the old keyblades around and some were created by more recent people like oathkeeper was kairi's lucky charm that she made out of shells. And maybe Way to dawn isn't a keyblade of in between but maybe it chooses someone with an in between heart like riku (so basically it really was a booby prize for his heart not being good enough for the kingdom key lol). As for the gears, I think they are constructs used to artificially modify a weapon (as seen by the fact that they modify all the character's weapons)--[[User:Sacul097|Sacul097]] 05:32, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
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even though riku's is never actually called light realm and merely interpreted and propogated by idiots, '''to be'''.[[Special:Contributions/71.54.128.176|71.54.128.176]] 22:14, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
== Multiple Keyblade Wars? ==
 
Based on the information provided by KH3D and BbS on one side, and KHχ itself on the other, as well as recent reveals claiming that there were Keyblade-involved conflicts that plagued the MoM's childhood, I wonder if, perhaps, one of these, if not one that took place before his birth, is the incident that resulted in the χ-blade shattering into those twenty pieces? It would make a sort-of sense, and clear up the inconsistency.<br/>-[[Special:Contributions/24.224.122.183|24.224.122.183]] 00:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
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:I get the feeling the Master was being more metaphorical than literal; i.e, the war between light and darkness, and not so much a literal keyblade war. That's my take anyway. --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 01:41, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
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{{KrytenKoro|As said in the Director's Report, there are as many Keyblades as there are people with strong hearts. The Kingdom Key chose Sora, but the Way to the Dawn was chosen by Riku.
 
I was referring to the fact that every new Keyblade in Days has the same keychain. This indicates that the form-changing is related but ''not'' dependent on changing the keychain.
 
I have no idea what point you're trying to make with your reference to the Gathering.
 
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|text=I was making the point that there are several keys that we have already seen in the present such as three wishes (i think... it was one of the aladin ones) were seen in video Birth by Sleep. And they didn't have keychains. And there was obviously interworld travel so the keychains could have been scattered through the worlds. I think the reason the keys in days all have the same keychain is because of the gears. They were created to artificially change a weapon (any weapon not just keyblades) so they are used to change the shape of his keyblade instead of changing keychains. I'm just making a point that in birth by sleep, most keyblades (including ones we have seen in the present with keychains) have no keychains and now all the keyblades have keychains. So something obviously must have changed to give all the keyblades keychains.--[[User:Sacul097|Sacul097]] 05:38, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
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WTH!?[edit]

In the gallary there is an image showing Ven looking at a crater, but when you click on it to enlarge the image, it instead shows AQUA looking at the crater. --Evnyofdeath 19:48, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

It's haunted.Glorious CHAOS! 20:01, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

What where provide a link plz!

A link please?[edit]

Can someone provide a link for this?{{SUBST:User:Lssj4/sig2}} 18:29, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Was the Keyblade War fought by the Unions?[edit]

Looking at the events of Kingdom Hearts X, it would be a good bet to say the Unions are responsible for the whole war. At a guess, the Lux competitions finally got out of hand and each Fortuneteller had their own agendas for protecting Kingdom Hearts. Fortuneteller Ava founded the Dandylion group, telling them to protect the light. This group could be what started the Keyblade wielders that sparked the current days' protectors and the Dark Seeker Saga.

The light in the hearts of children that rebuilt the lost world, would have been this group. They then divided the worlds to make sure that there was no chance of another Keyblade war. It's possible Kairi's grandmother was one of them, or at least the following generation afterwards as the war took place 100 years before the original Kingdom Hearts. Xehanort's reports mention that his and Eraqus' Master wasn't the only one, which further implies the Dandylions were the progenitors of the new Keyblade weidlers.

I am SO betting this is what the plots have been leading to.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.249.204.21 (talkcontribs)

Firstly, sign your posts with these: ~~~~. Secondly, it's Foreteller not Fortuneteller. Thirdly, we don't know specifically when the events of Unchained/χ take place, so wherever you heard that it was 100 years ago is WRONG. Fourthly, while this IS what most likely happened, it's still just speculation, which we don't allow here. 'Cause when it comes to the Kingdom Hearts series, you really shouldn't take things at face value. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:39, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Everything up to KH3D was horseshit[edit]

So, with Back Cover and KHX showing us that the Keyblade War was not fought over the X-blade and Kingdom Hearts itself, as claimed in every previous game up to and including KH3D, but was instead about general mistrust about who the traitor was that was going to betray the World to the encroaching darkness, with the X-blade never once being mentioned, what in god's name are we going to do? Is there some interview I'm missing that explains how this isn't a massive, universe-redefining retcon?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 23:41, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm just gonna sit here, wait for Shard to extract the textures from 2.8 so I can get around to recompiling them and uploading, and really, not much else lol. It's obvious Tetsuya Nomura has no fucking clue what he's doing. He never has, and he never will. And not just with Kingdom Hearts either - that's precisely why he was kicked off of Versus XIII and the project was given to Tabata. So as far as I'm concerned, there is utterly no point in trying to figure out ANY of this shit since he retcons it every ten minutes. In layman's terms, Kyrten, here's my suggestion to your question. You'll thank me for it, and not only because it's delicious, but because it all makes his bullshit just...just float away like a blur. --Ignis (talk) 00:23, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Well, the only we can do is point out the contradiction in the articles. But this is a real doozy. The Keyblade War that was fought over the χ-blade was the basis for the series itself, only it to get tossed aside like a rag doll. So, if the Keyblade War wasn't over the χ-blade itself, then how is KHIII going to tie into all of this? I'm guessing they're just going to stick with the original story?--NinjaSheik 23:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Think we should make a label for it? Just like how we've got a little notice for stubs, maybe we should have something for contradicting information? --Ignis (talk) 03:27, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Isn't it possible that Xehanort was just wrong? Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 05:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Could be. But the most likely explanation is that Nomura doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. --Ignis (talk) 05:41, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Can you never assume good faith with anyone? Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:43, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Can you ever not take everything so personally even when it doesn't remotely concern or involve you? --Ignis (talk) 04:49, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
No more of this. Neither of you are acting in good faith."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:46, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, maybe I'm wrong, but do we know how long was the Keyblade War? I mean, the War could have began because of the mistrust between the Unions, but at a later point they begin to fight for the X-Blade to get the light of KH, and so ruling over the other? Remember what Aced was saying at the end of KHx? He wanted to be the only leader/king to make sure peace is possible. And we know that, at one point, all Unions began to gather light to become the strongest one -> "Over time, people came to desire the power of Kingdom Hearts". So, I'd say the real reason of the beginning of the war is the mistrust of the Unions (which seem to be something Xehanort does not know), but to win the war, all Unions fought and tried to get the X-Blade and KH to rule over the other? (after all, Gula said he wanted to summon KH in Back Cover) Lady Junky (talk) 07:26, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Lady Junk proposes an interesting theory, but unfortunately, that's all there is to it. The fact of the matter is that we now presented with contradictory information about the Keyblade War with the release of KHX and Back Cover. Again, I think, right now at least, is we mention the info KHX and Back Cover has given us. Maybe with KHIII, they'll elaborate more about the Keyblade War. Or maybe an interview with Nomura will come out and we can clear up the confusion.--NinjaSheik 19:29, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Second War[edit]

Is the conflict in KH3 ever called "The Second War" or a Keyblade War in general? TheSilentHero 17:08, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Xehanort refers to the event as "the Keyblade War" when he summons the χ-blade after crystallizing Kairi, but whether that's only because a prophecy said it would be as much is up for debate.
-24.224.122.183 00:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Multiple Keyblade Wars?[edit]

Based on the information provided by KH3D and BbS on one side, and KHχ itself on the other, as well as recent reveals claiming that there were Keyblade-involved conflicts that plagued the MoM's childhood, I wonder if, perhaps, one of these, if not one that took place before his birth, is the incident that resulted in the χ-blade shattering into those twenty pieces? It would make a sort-of sense, and clear up the inconsistency.
-24.224.122.183 00:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

I get the feeling the Master was being more metaphorical than literal; i.e, the war between light and darkness, and not so much a literal keyblade war. That's my take anyway. --Samoa Joe (talk) 01:41, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
At the very least, there must have been at least one Keyblade War that took place before the events of KHχ, as the one we see at the end of that didn't show the χ-blade breaking, just five groups of Keyblade wielders fighting each other and amongst themselves, with only one wondering why this is even happening. Hell, neither KHχ itself nor Back Cover even showed the χ-blade as if it existed.
-24.224.122.183 01:23, 23 June 2020 (UTC)