Talk:Arch Behemoth

KrytenKoro - You should have figured out whether bodies age without their hearts, Nomura. TALK - Why is this at Arch Behemoth, and not Arc Behemoth?

KrytenKoro - "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." TALK - I can't fix it, because a redirect was made and only an admin can move over it. Can someone please answer?

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} You're 100% sure that it's Arc, correct?

KrytenKoro - "It's always best when the other chap is willing to die for his beliefs; you both have the same goal in mind." TALK - Talk:Behemoth. Not 100% until I can translate the journal entry, but "Arch" simply doesn't make any sense in relation to the character, while Arc references quite a few things about it.

Kharon - "Not even the deepest darkness can shroud the connection our hearts share." TALK - "My inner darkness saved me when I needed help the most." Prehaps the name is refrencing arch as in a kind of rank.

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} Here, the names are under each enemy.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! I think it means Arch, as in a high rank. Remember, the Kingdom Hearts series has many relations to the Final Fantasy series, and many of the powerful enemies from all games contain the word Arch meaning a high rank or power over those similar.

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} Yes, like an archbishop, which is an elevated bishop in Christianity. Arch must mean it's rank.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! Exactly.

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}} Case closed.

KrytenKoro - "It is often said that before you die your life passes before your eyes. It is in fact true. It's called living." TALK - There is no "Arch Behemoth" in Final Fantasy, (in fact, the only final fantasy enemies with Arch in their name are the Arch Dragon, from the spinoff game Vagrant Story, and Arch Azul, from the Dirge of Cerberus, released after KH Final Mix), and Japanese-based fansites translate it as Arc, and they specifically define it as relating to geometric arc （極圏）). Thorf, the only one whose actually put time into translating and analyzing a lot of Final Mix, also translated it as "Arc". "Arch Behemoth" was pretty much a name created by English fans only semi-familiar with Japanese, and it seems in most cases they did not have access to the journal entry, while Thorf and the Japanese fansites did. Furthermore, supposing the name as "Arch" and claiming that it means that the Behemoth is a higher class doesn't make sense, because the Arc Behemoth is the weakest version of all Behemoths. Again, all of the contextual evidence points at "Arc", and all of the authoritative translations claim the translation is "Arc". There is no evidence for "Arch" besides the thought that it is "possible", which goes just as much for "Arc". EDIT: I did find a Chinese site that translates it as Arch Behemoth: http://www.ffsky.com/ff/zhuanti/KH/fm_4.htm. But again, Chinese.

KrytenKoro - "Because I knew something he didn't. I knew that I was lying. Seriously, sir. 'No silicon heaven'? Where would all of the calculators go?" TALK - I would like to ask again that the page get moved back to Arc Behemoth, as there are Japanese sites that translate it as "Arc", and there is contextual evidence for "Arc", while there is none for "Arch".

KrytenKoro - "Hey, I want to settle down. And as soon as I find the right small group of girls, the seven or eight women who are right for me, my wandering days are over, buddy." TALK - Okay, now that we have a journal entry that conclusively puts to rest the "higher rank" idea, can we agree to move this to "Arc Behemoth"?

I believe I shall; the article itself will need editing. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 17:47, 11 June 2011 (EDT)