Talk:Arch Behemoth

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KrytenKoro - "Because I knew something he didn't. I knew that I was lying. Seriously, sir. 'No silicon heaven'? Where would all of the calculators go?"
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Why is this at Arch Behemoth, and not Arc Behemoth?
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I can't fix it, because a redirect was made and only an admin can move over it. Can someone please answer?
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It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}}

Keyblade-Blk.png You're 100% sure that it's Arc, correct?
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KrytenKoro - "It is often said that before you die your life passes before your eyes. It is in fact true. It's called living."
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Talk:Behemoth. Not 100% until I can translate the journal entry, but "Arch" simply doesn't make any sense in relation to the character, while Arc references quite a few things about it.
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Kharon - "Not even the deepest darkness can shroud the connection our hearts share."
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Prehaps the name is refrencing arch as in a kind of rank.
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Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello?

It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}}

Keyblade-Blk.png Here, the names are under each enemy.
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DoorToNothing Heartless Emblem.png — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven!

And by some chance, I had brought my dice along!

Keyblade-Blk.png I think it means Arch, as in a high rank. Remember, the Kingdom Hearts series has many relations to the Final Fantasy series, and many of the powerful enemies from all games contain the word Arch meaning a high rank or power over those similar.
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Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello?

It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}}

Keyblade-Blk.png Yes, like an archbishop, which is an elevated bishop in Christianity. Arch must mean it's rank.


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DoorToNothing Heartless Emblem.png — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven!

And by some chance, I had brought my dice along!

Keyblade-Blk.png Exactly.
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Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello?

It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - {{{time}}}

Keyblade-Blk.png Case closed.


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There is no "Arch Behemoth" in Final Fantasy, (in fact, the only final fantasy enemies with Arch in their name are the Arch Dragon, from the spinoff game Vagrant Story, and Arch Azul, from the Dirge of Cerberus, released after KH Final Mix), and Japanese-based fansites translate it as Arc, and they specifically define it as relating to geometric arc (極圏)). Thorf, the only one whose actually put time into translating and analyzing a lot of Final Mix, also translated it as "Arc". "Arch Behemoth" was pretty much a name created by English fans only semi-familiar with Japanese, and it seems in most cases they did not have access to the journal entry, while Thorf and the Japanese fansites did. Furthermore, supposing the name as "Arch" and claiming that it means that the Behemoth is a higher class doesn't make sense, because the Arc Behemoth is the weakest version of all Behemoths.

Again, all of the contextual evidence points at "Arc", and all of the authoritative translations claim the translation is "Arc". There is no evidence for "Arch" besides the thought that it is "possible", which goes just as much for "Arc".

EDIT: I did find a Chinese site that translates it as Arch Behemoth: http://www.ffsky.com/ff/zhuanti/KH/fm_4.htm. But again, Chinese.

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KrytenKoro - "It is often said that before you die your life passes before your eyes. It is in fact true. It's called living."
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I would like to ask again that the page get moved back to Arc Behemoth, as there are Japanese sites that translate it as "Arc", and there is contextual evidence for "Arc", while there is none for "Arch".
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KrytenKoro - "Hey, I want to settle down. And as soon as I find the right small group of girls, the seven or eight women who are right for me, my wandering days are over, buddy."
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Okay, now that we have a journal entry that conclusively puts to rest the "higher rank" idea, can we agree to move this to "Arc Behemoth"?
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FA icon.png I believe I shall; the article itself will need editing.

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. TroisNyxÉtienne — 17:47, 11 June 2011 (EDT)

In my opinion, I think it should remain Arch Behemoth. After all, an arc is a curved shape and does not describe Behemoth in any way.

Synchblade 23:07, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Arctic. There was a whole discussion on the talk page, and sources were given.(ಠ_ೃ) Bully! 06:32, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Move[edit]

I've gone ahead and moved it, without keeping a redirect or "japname" parameter. I still think the name is inappropriate considering it's the weakest Behemoth and appears in a world just jack-full of snow and ice, but it is what it is."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 07:24, 16 September 2013 (UTC)