KHWiki talk:Mirage Arena

Will we, by any chance, be archiving these rounds ? Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:13, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Probably. We need something to look back on for the Joint Struggle. It'll probably be something like Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Mirage Arena/Previous Winners or something like that. KKD

But of course. As KKD said, it's extremely necessery for Joint Struggle. I think the name Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Mirage Arena/Previous Winners sound pretty good, but we could make like the DNC archive pages. Now... why do you ask TNÉ? Demonic Saint Yeah, we gotta go help our friends out first. — 02:18, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Or Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Mirage Arena/Hall of Fame ? I asked simply because we haven't thought of an archive page yet ! Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:22, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Hall of Fame... that sounds good... But of course it will need several subpages so it doesn't get to crowded. Sorry if I sounded rude. :"( Demonic Saint We're outsiders, so wouldn't that be muddling? — 02:26, July 11, 2010 (UTC)~

Not at all ^_^ Anyway, we could have it like the Trinity Report's archives or even the Featured Media archives, where it's done per year. As for Joint Struggle, should it have its own archive page or shall we shove it all in one page ? Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:35, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Since we have four-month rounds and then the Joint Struggle, we should do it by round. Cram all the winners, and the complete tourney bracket in, and then start a new section for the next round. sound good? KKD

More than good. Perfect. And what the page will be called? Any ideas? EDIT: Maybe we should call the Round Archives Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Mirage Arena/Previous Winners and the Struggle Archive Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Mirage Arena/Hall of Fame Demonic Saint Yeah, we gotta go help our friends out first. — 02:42, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Good thought... ^_^ I'm as good as new! All my functions have been restored! • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:53, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Edit Count

I thought you guys had agreed on 100?Glorious CHAOS! 00:02, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea what made them change to 75... TROISNYX AMDG 00:06, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

We agreed (Me and R&D) that it would be more appropriate due to the slower activity here. KKD

I hadn't noticed the part that said "quality edits". How do we measure whether an edit is "quality" or not? Save for vandalism, and a vandal would be banned long before they hit 75 edits, what makes any mainspace edit better or worse than another one?LapisLazuliScarab04:06, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

We're the team, right ? We can always keep a tab on those who are voting through Contribs. If the user's bound to be a vandal, we confront him and if needed, we remove his vote. TROISNYX AMDG 04:15, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

"Slower activity"? Redeemer himself doesn't have 100 mainspace edits. It would be hypocritical to tell users they can't vote when the one who helped start the whole thing hasn't even achieved the required goal. And anyway, we don't want to be complete Nazis when it comes to this. 100 mainspace edits are a bit much, after all. I think we need a number that isn't too high, but not so low that we accept users who barely contribute. The idea is to have something fun for regulars, and we do not want people coming to the wiki just to participate. U suggest a number between 40 and 70. Also, I think Image contributions should count as well, as there are many users (such as myself) that participate in the wiki and have mass image-contributions. That's all I ever do around here anymore anyway. --LegoAlchemist 04:20, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, we need to re-consider the edit thing a lot. KKD

Lego is right... I belive Images contibution must be counted too... I think I'll add it to the rules. But I must discuss with KKD first.User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig04:24, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, spaces to be accepted : Mainspace, Image, Template (if we know the person has been contributing to templates on the Main Pages), Card, Walkthrough (in future), Kingdom Hearts Wiki, MediaWiki. This is just like mod elections. Other spaces will be taken into account only if we have a clear background of what the user has done in general. TROISNYX AMDG 04:26, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

This changes everything. Altought, keeping track of all this will be hard. Thank God we have the Contrib pages. So I'm changain quality mainspace edits to quality edits.User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig04:31, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Good thought. It's never too late to mend ! ^_^ TROISNYX AMDG 04:32, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

So far I have 67 Mainspace edits, and 1 Kingdom Hearts Wiki edit. That's 68 quality edits(Right?). But I'm making maps for TNE's walkthrough. Does that count?--Keyblade0 03:05, July 14, 2010 (UTC)Keyblade0

I'm not sure... That would easily make 26 edits from there. I think I'll let the rest decide. TROISNYX AMDG 03:07, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, it counts. In a way, it's a quality edit. Fine by me.User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig03:12, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

So we're going with 75 edits? Man, I won't get on here in a while (not much to do, don't own a KH game...) --シルバ クロノ 03:13, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Just a thought... what about Talk pages? Not usertalk, but the ones linked to articles... usually those are productive edits, and go toward bettering the article. Lego thought of this first, but he's not here to ask right now. KKD

Truth be told, 75% of Talk Page edits are useless stuff. The users Hotdragon 295‎ and Oh,how the sea calls‎ are exemple of this. They revive old topics just for the heck of doing it, using information that is known to almost everyone and sometimes Oh,how the sea calls‎ they are bashful on their messages.User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig03:24, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of whom... he's rather frustrated right now because no one actually gave him a lowdown of the rules. Had anyone even thought of showing him the MOS in my absence ?! No ! TROISNYX AMDG 03:37, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

not even crossed my mind, sorry.User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig03:40, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

/me sighs. This is PATHETIC ! But I forgive you. The next time, if someone asks for how the rules and spoilers are dealt with over here, show the MOS and the Spoiler Policy. Those are two core documents which we can't afford to even forget. KHFR sums it up into one - the MOS - so it's easier for the side of Darkness ; yet, it's still not an excuse for driving a new user to resentment. For all you know he'd have been a great contributor had he truly understood everything. TROISNYX AMDG 03:46, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Wait! For what I "talked" to him, He didn't ask for the rules... now I see he asked to Lapis. So it isn't technically my fault. Only if I fault on not stalking him enough.User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig03:52, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

No one showed me the MoS or spoiler policy when I got here, and look how i turned out! No joke. KKD

This is nonsense. We have the Card:Main Page which is begging for edits, is not gnome work, and requires NO PHYSICAL RESOURCES. We also have the Gallery: space, where all you have to do is go to Special:UnusedFiles and post the images in whichever galleries they apply to. There's no reason to be lowering the bar here - you should have at least 100 edits in mainspace articles ([main], Card:, and Gallery:). Talk pages should absolutely not count, as well as Templates (since that is mostly fiddling with talkboxes). Images and Kingdom Hearts Wiki maybe.Glorious CHAOS! 05:33, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

@TNE: He just asked about (really just passively mentioned) the rules today, and never asked about the spoiler policy.LapisLazuliScarab05:38, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Not accusing anyone here, but *shrugs* I just showed them to him. I don't know how it is going to be easily controlled or monitored... if we don't want to have users flouting the rules. I think we have to make it a point to remember them nonetheless.

As for spaces... the only few people who have been helping us with Templates can get their votes counted - Kryten being part of the fray - MediaWiki edits are for those with admin capabilities only, mods and below can't touch them - so is a restructuring in place or... ? TROISNYX AMDG 11:45, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the rules covers all that, including Cards. For Media... I found it unecessary, should I take it out? Main Templates, well, few users actually edit that stuff, and it doesn't have many edits to be done there, but it is still important.User:Redeemer & Destroyer/Sig17:58, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

What!?!? I thought you guys agreed only on 75 edits. Why’d you change it to 125?  :( --Keyblade0 01:09, July 15, 2010 (UTC)Keyblade0

Pfffft. We need to avoid the situation where after 75 edits, people would concentrate on the MA. This is not the purpose for it. It should be an incentive to edit. TROISNYX AMDG 01:19, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Might I recommend...

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Falcos - So you really do remember me this time? I'm SO FLATTERED! TALK - But you're too late! Might I recommend that you have a link to the Mirage Arena on the mainpage, in its own box?

In its own box ? I'm not sure. I'll ask the admins. One thing's for sure - we can't direct everyone's attention to the MA first. Staff and regulars, please throw in your feedback here. This monster... This is no Unversed. Just a dweller of Darkness. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 13:46, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Demonic Saint - Then go talk to a wall... TALK - I dreamt I was a moron - 14:18, July 13, 2010 (UTC) I don't know. It is still to soon to do such thing. Waiting is the best. Once the users are more used with the Arena, maybe we could do that.

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Falcos - So you really do remember me this time? I'm SO FLATTERED! TALK - But you're too late! I just thought it might be a good idea. You know, so people get their attention drawn to it as opposed to having to actively go searching for it. But I do understand what you're saying.

KingdomKeyDarkside - Sora, you're lucky. TALK - It looks like my summer vacation is… Over.KingdomKeyDarkside 17:09, July 13, 2010 (UTC) Not quite yet. It's a bit too early to be throwing it on the front page. However, it's there already (in the form of a Trinity Report entry). If anything, it should be put under the "community" section on the sidebar for now.

Tie

Keyblade0 - Should I open the Treasure Chest? TALK - I just obtained a potion! — July 19,2010 Is there some kind of way to choose a winner during a tie?

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Joint Struggle. But the Arena is on hiatus right now, so we're not doing anything soon.

This is still being worked on. Once everything is ready, the battle will be untied. Demonic Saint Yeah, we gotta go help our friends out first. — 20:29, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Keyblade0 - Should I open the Treasure Chest? TALK - I just obtained a potion! — July 19,2010 Is there a way I can help with the Joint Struggle?(also, are we going to move on to round 2?)

Demonic Saint - Ah-hyuck! Did you happen to summon me? TALK - All for one and one for all. - 03:44, July 20, 2010 (UTC) Help? I'm not sure... I mean... people are helping the way they can but considering the circumstances of the reason the Arena is closed for now I don't know if your help is currently needed. Once the Arena is open again, you can help through vote checking (making sure the rules are being followed). If youn wanna know more about the reason the Arena is closed and when it next battle will be check these foruns: Dragon's Neck Colosseum, KH style Bye-Bye, Mirage Arena

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Keyblade0: "Hiatus" means to be on an extended period of time where there is no activity.

Keyblade0 - Should I open the Treasure Chest? TALK - I just obtained a potion! — July 20,2010 Sorry, I didn't see the word hiatus