Talk:No Heart

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KrytenKoro - "Space Corp Directive 195—In an emergency power situation, a hologrammatic crew member must lay down his life in order that the living crew members might survive."  "Yes, but Rimmer Directive 271 states just as clearly: 'No chance, you metal bastard.'" TALK - We actually already translated that passage, and it doesn't say it gets more powerful, it says that it uses taijutsu. Especially for something like this, we should wait for actual videos or gameplay.

"Adorned with dozens of Nobody Symbols"

Aside from the single Nobody Symbol on the chest plates, where are the others? I suppose you could say that points that peak from No Heart's knees are incomplete Nobody Symbols, but aside from that, No Heart's armor isn't really "adorned with dozens of Nobody Symbols." Just the one... --ΧƳƵach. 04:28, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

WarMonger89 Too bright a shine shows eyes of envy. maybe they just liked the idea of putting parts of the nobody symbol all over his armour. but anyways, at least we know where the symbol came from.

You can actually see them listed there. Look at the kneecap guards, and the little yellow spikes from his pauldrons, and you can kind of see the bootguards too. They're all Nobody sigils. I do agree though that this sentence confesses far more than the truth, and I'll fix it up accordingly. Soxxeh 4:32am, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Are they the actual emblem, or just the thorns?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 05:26, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

The thorns. So I'd go with "dozens of Nobody thorns" or something like that. maggosh 05:33, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Well I guess it's just going to come down to opinions because I totally agree that he has plenty of spiky intricate points on his armor, but the only true Nobody Symbols is on the chest plates. Like the spikes on his left pauldron, for example, are completely identical to his crown, the only difference is that the crown spikes connect to a circle (because it sits on his head like a crown duh) and the pauldron spikes connect to a semi-circle (because it wraps around the shoulder duh). The large crosses on his knees and boots are closer to Nobody Symbols, but they aren't complete. So if you want to count those, that makes approximately 5 Nobody Symbols.

Otherwise Sora sports a "Nobody Symbol" Crown in Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix. --ΧƳƵach. 05:34, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

If any part can be considered more than just the thorns, it would have to be the shin/knee guards. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 05:36, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Eh, the points on the crown aren't stylized the same way as Nobody thorns. --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 05:37, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Variations

I'm inclined to add Xemnas under "variations". Is this a problem for anyone? --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 05:36, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. maggosh 05:40, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

What about the Xemnas page? Would this be added there too? What about spoilers? How does that work with the Final Mixes?

Aside from all that, I agree, it belongs.--ΧƳƵach. 05:42, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

闇への遠謀

The kanji on the magazine means Foresight/Forethought into Darkness, not Vista to Darkness. Both are pronounced the same way (Yami he no Enbou), but vista is written as 遠望.

Would this not indicate that this battle is a glimpse of things to come?

If that's the kanji, then yes. However, the source I found typed it as "vista". Is there any way you could get a screenshot or something to verify your reading?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:20, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found it. Correcting!"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:24, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Xehanort's Keyblade Armor?

How do we know that it is Xehanort's Keyblade Armor? I mean do we have any confirmation? If we have sorry for this I've been out of the Wiki for quite some time and I have no idea of what is going on around here.--Xabryn 01:10, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

WarMonger89 Too bright a shine shows eyes of envy. Well, most people think that because he has Master Xehanort's Keyblade, they think it's his armor. but i think it is because in KHII Xemnas was able to use a slimmer version of this particular armor. but, you can be the judge of that, mate.

Xabryn - You're wrong. I know now, without a doubt, Christmas is light TALK - It's nice to have christmas on my side.{{{time}}} The Keyblade only shows that it is related to him it doesn't means it is his Armor, I mean aside from the Keyblade what do we have? I mean it is much more related to Xemnas than to any other character in the series it uses MX's Keyblade but it also has Nobody symbols or symbol not sure about that if that is MX's Armor then he got it before the events of BBS which would mean that he had not connection to Nobodies so can someone explain me why it has the Nobody symbol if before MX became Xemnas he was only interested in the heart and not the body?

WarMonger89 Too bright a shine shows eyes of envy. i said MOST people think it's him because of the Keyblade. I just said that i think it's might be him, because Xemnas used the armor too.

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 01:41, December 23, 2010 (UTC) We know it because it has his Keyblade, you were right. It's the same with AotM, no one else has used his Keyblade, and Xemnas has used that exact armor.

WarMonger89 Too bright a shine shows eyes of envy. It is exact, but when xemnas wore it, it was slimmed down.

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 01:47, December 23, 2010 (UTC) Slimmed down? Not at all. Compare the 2 pictures. File:Armored Xemnas.png File:NoHeart.png I think you'll find that they are exactly alike.

WarMonger89 Too bright a shine shows eyes of envy. oh, they are the same. i thought with Xemnas' body type, i thought it was slimmed down just to fit him

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 01:54, December 23, 2010 (UTC) Well, MX and Xemnas are both pretty skinny guys. >.>

WarMonger89 Too bright a shine shows eyes of envy. well, i just thought that No Heart was a bit bulkier. that's all

Xabryn - You're wrong. I know now, without a doubt, Christmas is light TALK - It's nice to have christmas on my side.{{{time}}} Third time I'm trying to write this. Terranort used the keyblade and he soon lost his memory and became the other Xehanort which soon became Xemnas and Nomura did stated that Xemnas is a special Noboy LIKE ROXAS and if I'm not mistaken someone in this wiki said that it could mean that Nomura is implying Xemnas is a keyblade wielder. and with MX and Terra's memory couldn't he have got a Keyblade armor himself? I mean we have no idea of how Keyblade wielders gain these armors right? it could be anyway. besides the fact that it has the nobody symbol makes this case much different from AotM, doesn't it? I mean why would MX's armor have the nobody symbol if he wasn't related to any nobody at the time?

WarMonger89 Too bright a shine shows eyes of envy. Maybe that's how Xemnas came up with the idea of the Nobody Symbol

Chitalian8 Hey, boss! — The world ends with you. If you want to enjoy life, expand your world. You gotta push your horizons out as far as they'll go. Enjoy the moment with all your might... whether it's gloomy, whether it's bright! — 02:04, December 23, 2010 (UTC) Xemnas inherited the armor from MX, not the other way around.

WarMonger89 Too bright a shine shows eyes of envy. That's not what i ment, i meant that Xemnas remembered his old self (Master Xehanort) and maybe because of the Armor he used to wear, Xemnas probably came up with the Nobody Symbol

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 02:11, December 23, 2010 (UTC) My point was directed at Xabryn, Warmonger.

Xabryn - You're wrong. I know now, without a doubt, Christmas is light TALK - It's nice to have christmas on my side.{{{time}}} I never said that it was the other way around I just said that Xemnas is the only wearer of the armor and it would make more sense to say that it was Xemnas (I'm not suggesting that, it would be speculation but saying that it is MX's is a bigger speculation). And I don't think that Xemnas created the nobody symbol since all the nobodies use it (with the exception of Org XIII of course)

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 02:19, December 23, 2010 (UTC) If there is enough evidence, we draw the line at speculation. Read my above reasons, It's MX's keyblade, no one else uses it or has been shown using it. Also, Xemnas used it, Xemnas being, as you know, his Nobody. Since the two are connected, that reinforces the point that it his Keyblade armor. Also, Xemnas led the Nobodies, and in effect, Xehanort created them, of course they would have his symbol.

Xabryn - You're wrong. I know now, without a doubt, Christmas is light TALK - It's nice to have christmas on my side.{{{time}}} Are you kidding? Xemnas or Xehanort did not created the Nobodies he just commanded them because they had a wish in common to have a heart according to Xehanort/Ansem's Reports 13 he thought the body disappears when a Heartless is created. and just using the Keyblade does not proof anything that Keyblade is related to MX yes but MX is connected to more people than anyone else, I mean his heart passed to Terra's body that splitted and became a Heartless and a Nobody and due to the symbol it shows that it makes more sense for the armor to belong to the nobody than any other thing that Xehanort may have become

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves. Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 02:36, December 23, 2010 (UTC) My mistake. He was the first Nobody.

Xabryn - You're wrong. I know now, without a doubt, Christmas is light TALK - It's nice to have christmas on my side.{{{time}}} I'm sorry but do you have any proof for that statment? Because if you don't that's speculation a BIG speculation, aside from the lack of nobodie before KH2 doesn't show anything since Heartless were hardly seen before KH1 and in BBS it seems like they had to be summoned. If Xemnas did anything was broke some barrier to let Nobodies into the Realm of Light nothing else

iZerox "Take a look at this tiny place. To the heart seeking freedom, this island is a prison surrounded by water. And so this boy sought out to escape from his prison. He sought a way to cross over into other worlds and he opened his heart to darkness." — 06:26, December 23, 2010 (UTC) Neoshadows and normal Shadow heartless both are labeled as "Pureblood" heartless. They don't need a pre-existing being to come into being as they are just darkness itself, and have no heart because they had no being to begin with. Nobodies as far as we know are only created when a somebody becomes a heartless and if they had a strong will their empty body continues on as a nobody, but only those with the strongest wills retain their human form and memories. Xehanort started the experiments that created the artificial heartless that were made from a somebody losing their heart and in turn they became a heartless. So in turn by starting these experiments to create heartless from somebodies, nobodies would have come into existence at this time. Though to say that Xemnas was the first nobody to exist would hardly seem accurate as lesser nobodies could have spawned elsewhere upon their creation of heartless. So in a way Xehanort created nobodies as well not just emblem heartless. He just wasn't aware of them at the time.