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== Issues with article ==
== Issues with article ==
*"Appearances" section should be reworked into "Story"
**Needs to be in-universe (No "In Kingdom Hearts II", etc.)
**"Furthermore, a Moogle falls on Donald Duck after completing Neverland." -- the Furthermore sounds ridiculous.
**"An unnamed Moogle" -- Moogles, as a general rule, are unnamed. "Unnamed" should not be used as a descriptor, since it doesn't specify anything. Only the named ones should be called out.
**"When Sora speaks to the Moogle in the First District in Traverse Town, it is revealed that Pinocchio enjoys ruffling the Moogles' pom-poms." -- change to "According to the Moogle in the First District[link], Pinocchio etc."
**"—The Organization Moogle, quoting Xemnas when asked what its name is." -- change to, "The Moogle, channeling Xemnas."
**"In Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, a Moogle appears in various locations throughout the worlds, always donning a Black Cloak." -- this is incorrect. It appears only at the Grey Room and the Station Plaza.
**Each section should include a divved table, based on SorcererNobody's draft (as used on Avatar Menu) that details all the things the Moogle sells, synthesizes, or redeems. SN's draft has this done for Days already, I believe.
***"In order to unlock The King and Sora for playability the Multiplayer Mode, they must be purchased from the Moogle." -- would be unnecessary.
***The section should have a quick summary of the types of items that can be obtained from each method, if that is feasible. Something like what is done with [[Treasure Chest]].
**"While the Moogle appears to hold some relationship to Organization XIII, as exemplified by its black coat, it is unknown if it is affiliated with them. For example, the Moogle flees the Organization with Roxas, saying that he would miss all the munny he spends at his shop, seemingly more interested in simply collecting munny rather than serving Organization XIII." -- WRONG.
***It clearly has a relationship, it is set up in their lounge.
***This should be worded to focus more on that it does not ''serve Xemnas'', and instead followed its best Org. customer, Roxas, due to its love of munny.
**"In Kingdom Hearts II, the Moogles use holograms to run their synthesis shops, except for Mog in Radiant Garden and Elmina in Twilight Town. According to Jiminy's Journal, it is because they hate getting their pom-poms ruffled." -- I believe Moogles have hologram shops in BbS, too, indicating that this is the natural way. This should be in the lead, with a direct citation to the Journal. Something like, "Moogles usually operate their shops on other worlds through hologram, as they dislike customers ruffling their Pom-poms."
**"The Moogles also appear outside of synthesis shops as well. While on Destiny Islands, Selphie's purse has a Moogle clip attached to it. In addition, there is a special Gummi ship modeled after a Moogle." -- should be in other appearances, or something similar.
*"Appearance" needs to be "Design", and should be combined with "Origin"
*Party navbox should be removed.
*World-based categories should be removed, since Moogles appear on pretty much all worlds.
*We need a rip of the Moogle Gummi Ship
*Dissidia section is missing mention of the Mognet, and we should see if the Mognet has references to the KHverse.


HUGE ISSUE: "Appearances" and "Appearance"
{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:03, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
KrytenKoro unacceptable
KrytenKoro DNT
KrytenKoro DTN
KrytenKoro unacceptable
DoorToNothing (?)
KrytenKoro There are two main sections
KrytenKoro one is "Appearances"
KrytenKoro the next is "Appearance"
KrytenKoro that's awful
KrytenKoro simply awful
DoorToNothing Oh.
KrytenKoro if it is meant to be a story section, it should be written as such
DoorToNothing ...
DoorToNothing KrytenKoro, how could you let this happen?
KrytenKoro especially considered the sections are in story order
Neumannz LAAAAAAAWL
KrytenKoro "Furthermore, a Moogle falls on Donald Duck after completing Neverland. "
DoorToNothing Shame unto thine ancestors!
KrytenKoro that's shitty
Neumannz ROFLMOFL
KrytenKoro "An unnamed Moogle"
KrytenKoro Moogles, as a rule, are unnamed
KrytenKoro we should only take note when they ARE named, like in KH2
DoorToNothing Counterpoint: KH2
KrytenKoro all other instances, just say, "A moogle"
KrytenKoro "When Sora speaks to the Moogle in the First District in Traverse Town, it is revealed that Pinocchio enjoys ruffling the Moogles' pom-poms. "
KrytenKoro just say "According to the Moogle in the First District[link], Pinocchio etc."
KrytenKoro "—The Organization Moogle, quoting Xemnas when asked what its name is. "
KrytenKoro quoting is incorrect
KrytenKoro "channeling" is more accurate
KrytenKoro "when asked what its name is" is probably patronizing
KrytenKoro "In Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, a Moogle appears in various locations throughout the worlds, always donning a Black Cloak."
KrytenKoro It do not
KrytenKoro It appears in the Grey Room
KrytenKoro and at the Station Plaza
KrytenKoro "In order to unlock The King and Sora for playability the Multiplayer Mode, they must be purchased from the Moogle. "
KrytenKoro These should simply be listed among the items it sells
KrytenKoro also, it should be mentioned that it runs an HP shop, and redeems Challenge Sigils and Mission Crowns
KrytenKoro "While the Moogle appears to hold some relationship to Organization XIII, as exemplified by its black coat, it is unknown if it is affiliated with them. For example, the Moogle flees the Organization with Roxas, saying that he would miss all the munny he spends at his shop, seemingly more interested in simply collecting munny rather than serving Organization XIII. "
KrytenKoro is wrong-headed
KrytenKoro it clearly has a relationship with them
KrytenKoro it set up shop in their damn lounge
KrytenKoro should be worded more that it does not appear to SERVE XEMNAS, seeing as it followed its best customer in the Org., Roxas, rather than staying at the Headquarters
Neumannz ok, done with adding clear2
KrytenKoro perhaps tying into its personality of unfettered greed
KrytenKoro "In Kingdom Hearts II, the Moogles use holograms to run their synthesis shops, except for Mog in Radiant Garden and Elmina in Twilight Town. According to Jiminy's Journal, it is because they hate getting their pom-poms ruffled. "
KrytenKoro something like
KrytenKoro "After the worlds were restored, the Moogles once again set up their shops across the worlds."
KrytenKoro wait
KrytenKoro wait wait
KrytenKoro do they use holograms in BbS:?
KrytenKoro How do they operate in BbS?
KrytenKoro if they do it in BbS, then it shouldbe assumed to be their natural behavior, and placed in the lead, with a citation to the journal
KrytenKoro "The Moogles also appear outside of synthesis shops as well. While on Destiny Islands, Selphie's purse has a Moogle clip attached to it. In addition, there is a special Gummi ship modeled after a Moogle. "
KrytenKoro that is not Moogles
KrytenKoro that is other appearances
KrytenKoro or something
KrytenKoro trivia, if necessary
KrytenKoro but it is not their plot info
KrytenKoro Origin and Appearance should be combined into Design
KrytenKoro And it would be WONDERFUL if the Shop, Redeem, and Synthesis lists from each of the games could be added to each section of the plot
KrytenKoro SorcererNobody's Guide has the Days one's done, I think
KrytenKoro Also, what is a "mured Moogle"?
Neumannz that would be cid of the lufane...?
DoorToNothing Yes.
KrytenKoro right, but what the hell does "Mured" mean?
DoorToNothing While trapped in the Insano Realm.
Neumannz look it up
DoorToNothing doesn't know.
Neumannz en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mured
DoorToNothing I actually asked a mod from FFWiki who is obsessed with Dissidia 012 to write that section.
ErryK Done with all the treasure chests.
KrytenKoro wiktionary calls it "walled"
KrytenKoro a walled Moogle?
KrytenKoro does the game seriously call it "Mured"?
Neumannz he is confined, so to speak
KrytenKoro oh
KrytenKoro Imprisoned, gotcha
KrytenKoro ...crazy dubbers
KrytenKoro anyway
KrytenKoro Finally
KrytenKoro why does the Moogle have the "Party" navbox?
Neumannz ...because of FFVI?
ErryK Do we want the world cards from Re:coded?
KrytenKoro on our wiki
KrytenKoro yes
KrytenKoro yes we do
DoorToNothing slaps Neumannzy.
KrytenKoro we want all those things
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KrytenKoro OH!
KrytenKoro wait, one last thing:
ErryK I'll show you what I mean.
KrytenKoro No, I know
Neumannz whaaaaaaaaaat
KrytenKoro the ones you get before clearing the CO floor
KrytenKoro the ones you get from D Roxas
KrytenKoro "Traverse Town | Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden | The World that Never was | Twilight Town | Mirage Arena"
KrytenKoro Ridiculous
ErryK Bluuuuuuuuuuuuuuurgh, can't see them.
KrytenKoro Moogles appear on all worlds
KrytenKoro It makes no sense to link all of them like that
ErryK I think they mean the real ones...
ErryK Not the holograms.
KrytenKoro now, if we wanted to have redirects for each of the NAMED moogles, then those pages could have the cats
KrytenKoro but
KrytenKoro It's just a mess to have them all on the Moogle page
KrytenKoro wait
KrytenKoro wait wait wait
KrytenKoro FUCK
KrytenKoro Are we planning on having a Moogle Shop article too, or just Moogles?
KrytenKoro I mean, I could see going either way
KrytenKoro OH FUCK WE NEED A RIP OF THE MOOGLE GUMMI SHIP
KrytenKoro Oh and
KrytenKoro "Dissidia Final Fantasy"
KrytenKoro section is missing Mognet
KrytenKoro ...which we should honestly check the letters for KH references
KrytenKoro hmm.
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KrytenKoro anyway
KrytenKoro those are all the issues I can see
KrytenKoro the actual spelling and grammar look fine, for the most part
KrytenKoro but
ErryK GOT IT.
KrytenKoro the page basically needs a massive rewrite
KrytenKoro I will post this log on the talk page

Revision as of 05:03, 30 May 2011

Days

As they're wearing cloaks, do you think they might be nobody moogles? Myself 123 21:51, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I believe that the Cloaked Moogles are using the cloaks to protect them from Darkness. It appears that the main transportation in Days is through the Corridors of Darkness and the Black Cloak is noted for protection against Darkness.
Could be. Myself 123 17:22, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Organization XIII Moogle Image

I uploaded an image of the Organization XIII Moogle, but I'm not really sure what to do about the edges? The image is taken from a screenshot of the game. Oblivionkeeper 03:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Days Job

I know what a Moogle does in Days. Should I add this, so long as I don't screw up the formatting? Endless Oblivion

I quote

The first time you speak to a Moogle in a new room you will receive a free card packet consisting of five different attack cards.

Though this doesn't seem to be the case at Castle Oblivion for me. Consider this : I'm now in LV76 and I've obtained almost all attack cards (with the exception of Ultima Weapon) and instead of giving me a free card pack first, it prompts me to cash in cards for points. Then it gives me a card pack. Or sometimes, it doesn't.

And note : I'm not playing the English release of Re:Chain, but the extension of KHIIFM+. TNÉ En avant Bravo ! 11:42, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Organization Moogle Page

Morghman - Now! Let's savor the utmost of suffering together!
TALK - As the other dies, their agony radiates through my body, and living through it is pure ecstasy!
I just finished Days on Proud,(no biggy), and I noticed that the Moogle seen on the coat is one individual, therefore I suggest we create a page for this Moogle. Who would deny this little bundle of joy his own page? Any objections?
DaysZexion.png
Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion!

Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?

I have no objections, this Moogle is definitely an individual. But, some other users probably would since there's not a whole bunch of info on the page.
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KrytenKoro - "Punch your lights out, hit the pavement. That's what I call entertainment. Causin' problems makes you famous - all the violence makes a statement."
TALK -
We don't really have sections on the individual Moogles from 1, Com, and 2, though. It would be a good idea to cover what we do know about the characters here (Org Moogle does not have enough info for its own page, but would work well here), and have shop listings and mechanics on the Moogle Shop page.
DaysZexion.png
Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion!

Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?

Huh... I always thought that the moogles from KH1, CoM, and KH2 weren't individual moogles but a multitude of moogles. Maybe the Organization Moogle will appear in a future installment with more information... even though he (or she) wasn't in Days that much, they're still one of my favorite characters.

After Days

DaysZexion.png
Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion!

Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?

What do you think happened to the Organization XIII Moogle after the events of Days?

IT BLEW UP AND DIED! Kidding, I don't know. Maybe it went back to the Orgy and we just don't see it again after that.--User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig 22:25, November 26, 2009 (UTC)


DaysZexion.png
Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion!

Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?

How dark, Andie. I hope that he's the Moogle that lives in Twilight Town in KH2. In the Fanon I'm writing, I have Roxas and the Moogle reunite as friends after the events of KH2 (Roxas gets ressurected).

A Quote I need

DaysZexion.png
Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion!

Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?

I really need some help here. Can someone tell me (word for word) what the Moogle in Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days says after he and Roxas escape the Organization and return to Twilight Town. Something about missing his Munny. Please help!

How do you even get the Moogle to talk to you? Every time I go up to it, it says that it has new stuff to sell.--User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig 22:26, November 26, 2009 (UTC)


DaysZexion.png
Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion!

Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?

To get him to say something different you have to either unlock Mickey or Sora, or talk to him right before you fight Xion for the first time

I guess I have to unlock Mickey or Sora, because right before I fought Xion the first time he still said the good stuff thing.--User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig 22:34, November 26, 2009 (UTC)


DaysZexion.png
Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion!

Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?

Oh... maybe it was a glitch. Ugh... I really wish someone knew that quote.

I got it last night.

"I couldn't let you leave the castle alone, kupo! Your munny always has a place in my pocket, kupo." 24.184.119.6 16:15, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Holy crud! THANK YOU!!!!! --Nitrous X 01:49, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Castle Oblivion

Don't Moogles also reside in Castle Oblivion? --User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart/sig 14:50, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Moogles as D-Links?

Really? What powers do you get from using it?Keyblade474 12:20, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Names

DaysZexion.png
Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion!

Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus?

Moogles don't have names in this series, do they? Then why does it say "Mog" and "Elmina" appear in KH2???

TerraTalk1.png
Eternal Nothingness XIII - Terra Master Symbol.png You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials.
TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 00:01, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
TerraCharm.pngThat's because, if one looks carefully at the shops when they enter one, they'll see "Mog's Shop" in the far corner or something like that. Those are the names of the Moogles that run said shop. So yes, they are named.


SoraHalloweenTalk.png
UxieLover1994 Tiempo de morder de nuevo con el poder! El tema de hoy: su sorpresa! — 08:00, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
710MS.png It's true. I remember a Moogle named Artemicion being in Space Paranoids. (I don't know why Artemicion did not have her own Data appearance, while the Moogle in Timeless River had his own Retro Form. More confusing is that the Moogle in Halloween Town did not have it's own Halloween/Christmas form like Sora and his friends did there).

Also, in the second trip to the Pride Lands, you can't visit the Moogle there at all! When you reach the Oaises, you are warped back to Pride Rock after Simba rejoins the party. (I would go kill Heartless with Lucky Lucky equiped, until I have at least 50 of each, then once I have defeated Groundshaker, I would give all of the loot to Artemicion in Space Paranoids!)

Original Character?

DaysRikuHooded.png
Organization 13 - I'd rather we just skip the formalities.
TALK - How I love a game!
I know that Moogles are Final Fantasy characters but is there any way the Organization XIII Moogle could be called an original character?

Not really, they're still the same species, the only difference is this one's wearing clothes.

ewwwww naked moogles O_o Lying Memories 02:23, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Issues with article

  • "Appearances" section should be reworked into "Story"
    • Needs to be in-universe (No "In Kingdom Hearts II", etc.)
    • "Furthermore, a Moogle falls on Donald Duck after completing Neverland." -- the Furthermore sounds ridiculous.
    • "An unnamed Moogle" -- Moogles, as a general rule, are unnamed. "Unnamed" should not be used as a descriptor, since it doesn't specify anything. Only the named ones should be called out.
    • "When Sora speaks to the Moogle in the First District in Traverse Town, it is revealed that Pinocchio enjoys ruffling the Moogles' pom-poms." -- change to "According to the Moogle in the First District[link], Pinocchio etc."
    • "—The Organization Moogle, quoting Xemnas when asked what its name is." -- change to, "The Moogle, channeling Xemnas."
    • "In Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, a Moogle appears in various locations throughout the worlds, always donning a Black Cloak." -- this is incorrect. It appears only at the Grey Room and the Station Plaza.
    • Each section should include a divved table, based on SorcererNobody's draft (as used on Avatar Menu) that details all the things the Moogle sells, synthesizes, or redeems. SN's draft has this done for Days already, I believe.
      • "In order to unlock The King and Sora for playability the Multiplayer Mode, they must be purchased from the Moogle." -- would be unnecessary.
      • The section should have a quick summary of the types of items that can be obtained from each method, if that is feasible. Something like what is done with Treasure Chest.
    • "While the Moogle appears to hold some relationship to Organization XIII, as exemplified by its black coat, it is unknown if it is affiliated with them. For example, the Moogle flees the Organization with Roxas, saying that he would miss all the munny he spends at his shop, seemingly more interested in simply collecting munny rather than serving Organization XIII." -- WRONG.
      • It clearly has a relationship, it is set up in their lounge.
      • This should be worded to focus more on that it does not serve Xemnas, and instead followed its best Org. customer, Roxas, due to its love of munny.
    • "In Kingdom Hearts II, the Moogles use holograms to run their synthesis shops, except for Mog in Radiant Garden and Elmina in Twilight Town. According to Jiminy's Journal, it is because they hate getting their pom-poms ruffled." -- I believe Moogles have hologram shops in BbS, too, indicating that this is the natural way. This should be in the lead, with a direct citation to the Journal. Something like, "Moogles usually operate their shops on other worlds through hologram, as they dislike customers ruffling their Pom-poms."
    • "The Moogles also appear outside of synthesis shops as well. While on Destiny Islands, Selphie's purse has a Moogle clip attached to it. In addition, there is a special Gummi ship modeled after a Moogle." -- should be in other appearances, or something similar.
  • "Appearance" needs to be "Design", and should be combined with "Origin"
  • Party navbox should be removed.
  • World-based categories should be removed, since Moogles appear on pretty much all worlds.
  • We need a rip of the Moogle Gummi Ship
  • Dissidia section is missing mention of the Mognet, and we should see if the Mognet has references to the KHverse.

"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 01:03, 30 May 2011 (EDT)