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TheFifteenthMember Yes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way. — TheFifteenthMember 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC) Here's the pages I think we should keep for the magazine, aside from the cover, contents, and three news pages (one for KH, two for both Wikis). Note that I don't think the magazine should include Featured Articles since they have their own dedicated sections on the Wiki anyway. Special Editor Page: Topic and writer changes entirely from issue to issue (e.g. in one edition it could be a theory while in another, it could be an analysis of all Sora's costumes) FinalRest came up with this idea. Dive to the Heart: FinalRest came up with an idea of a game tutorial and a wiki tutorial, however considering we have a Wiki's worth of information (and we even have walkthroughs now!) the game tutorial will be pointless. We should probably focus on the wiki tutorial (e.g. customising talk bubbles or different ways of linking) Round Room: FinalRest's idea of a staff roundtable with quotations and dialogue between staff. What conversation topics could we have, though? User Page (unnamed): FR's idea. It will contain a user interview (about what, we need to figure out), top 5 list (e.g. top five magic commands) and a review, which doesn't always have to be about games. We have other topics too like mangas, battle abilities and gameplay mechanics. The Game Grid: FR's idea: place for puzzles and riddles. I think we could perhaps host competitions around them and give out accolades to the winner. Interactive Page: FR's idea: it would have a mailbag and FR also had ideas of "5 tasks for khwiki.com", "5 tasks for the Keyhole" and "5 tasks for KH games". I don't entirely understand what those would be so perhaps we should replace it with a poll. So what do you think guys? We need everyone's opinions and ideas so this project doesn't die out again!

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 08:51 PM Sat, April 12, 2014 MDT I think for the Interactive Page, FR might have meant 5 tasks that we want users to do for the KHWiki, 5 tasks needed for the Keyhole, and 5 challenges to do in "X" game(s), where X is any or many of the Kingdom Hearts games. By the way, just thought we should have an area for people to sign-up for the magazine.

Final Chain - "Good tidings friends..." TALK - "...and a happy new year!" - Chainoffire 03:46, 13 April 2014 (UTC) I was wondering what happened to this project. Maybe we could have a page (or fit somewhere on the page) with a user's fanart. (KH-universe related of course.) There would have to be a few rules in place, but if someone wants to submit a drawing of Sora or something, there could be a user that would take submissions through email, and put it in the appropriate dedicated section. We could have a section that advertises The Mirage arena and The Underdrome, like "This weeks fights" and they could like to the arenas. "The magazine will be coded on the Wiki and the podcast will be in the form of an .ogg file." By "the wiki" are you referring to khwiki.com, The Keyhole, or both? "Who can write the coding?" Since the main structure is pretty much completed (from what I can tell) Different users can edit different pages. Perhaps a sign up list is in order if there isn't one already? (I feel like we did do this, but I can't remember ._.) This was going to be released bimonthly correct? I think that once things get going, this should be put on the site notice at the top of every page? Why isn't this stickied? This seems rather important from what I can see.

Okay, I've got up with some ideas: first, what about the user page being called, "The Keyblade Master" or something like that? Mirage Arena and Underdrome current battles will be held at the same pages of their news. And that's it for now :) - MateusinhoEX 13:16, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

TheFifteenthMember Yes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way. — TheFifteenthMember 13:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC) A fanart page sounds good ("Namine's Sketchbook" would be the obvious title) since readers can make requests through the mailbag. We could have a section for the Mirage Arena and Underdrome but considering each issue will be released after three month, we'll need a tournament bracket to fill in the last three months and then a "This week's fight" for the next upcoming ones. About having the "5 tasks", I don't think we need them as projects sounds like something that should go in the wiki summary of what's been happening in the past three months. "The Keyblade Master" sounds great. I'm not sure what wiki will host the magazine yet. Which Wiki already gets more visitors? I think the one with less visitors should host it so that more traffic can come its way, as long as the Wiki with more visitors advertises and links to the magazine on the main page. Also, the initial plan was it was going to be released bimonthly but in a roundtable we decided to have it every quarter year. That way, the news sections have a chance to be more fleshed out and we have more time to actually write the thing. In other words, we favoured four issues that had oompth, in a year, rather than six slightly lackluster ones. This thread could be stickied and site noticed but we need an admin for that (*hint hint*) :P In other news, I added a list of posts we'll need to be more specific since a general sign-up list usually doesn't go well as people don't know what their individual job is. People should change posts each issue to keep things fresh. I also thought of an idea for the puzzle/riddle competition. What we could do is make the readers email their answers through the mailbag and then, we'll get all the names of the people who were correct and give them accolades for their user pages. The interesting part is we pick one of the names out of a hat (or in the internet's case, a random name generator) and give them the "golden" prize, which is having their name featured on the next magazine issue. Thoughts? EDIT: To ensure this project doesn't die out again, here's the list of pages we'll need for the magazine: Cover Contents Podcast link + summary. "Trinity Archives" (KH News Report) "Unlocking the Keyhole "(The Keyhole Report) "The Door to Light" (KHWiki.com Report) Mirage Arena and Underdrome tournament brackets and "This week's fight" "The Keyblade Master" (Special Editor Page) "Dive to the Heart" (Wiki tutorial) "Round Room" (dialogue between staff) "Mark of Mastery" (User interview, top 5 list and review) "Naminé's Sketchbook" (Fanart) "The Game Grid" (Puzzle/Riddle) "Interactive Page" (mailbag and poll) still nameless. At this moment, we've already worked out the magazine's skeleton. We now need an updated template and we should start writing the actual content (I'm writing mine in my userspace). Remember to add your names to the sign-up above!

TheFifteenthMember I hope it's slow and painful; the elation I get from such kills is unmatched by anything, yeeeess... Just thinking about it makes me... oohhh... — TheFifteenthMember 22:36, 16 April 2014 (UTC) Update: I've written a draft for the wiki guide and top 5 list here. Keep in mind that the wiki guide will probably look much nicer with breaks and things to make stuff actually look like code. How is it?

KeybladeSpyMaster - I do it for my family, my home, my friends! I do it for her! TALK - Welcome to Spy Force One. - 07:25 PM Wed, April 16, 2014 MDT Well, I was hoping we could have the magazine hosted on the Keyhole, since it seems to be the one without much traffic nowadays. However, it's seeming like few are interested (Only Chain has come to make any contribution, and I'm sure he's not the only one there). Concerning the code, what else needs to be done? MEX seems to have done basically everything, all that's needed is the actual content, from my perspective. What's a mailbag? Sorry if that's a stupid question, but I don't get it from context. Things have sure slowed down since the Roundtable, haven't they? We need to bring this to more people's attention before it dries up again.

Chainoffire - "Hey, wait... I'm enjoying this. You guys are something else!" TALK - :) Chainoffire 05:46, 17 April 2014 (UTC) I have brought this up with a few users at the Keyhole, I'll let you know what they say when they get back to me. Why can't we have it on both sites? A mailbag is where people send in questions, and we answer them publicly. How else can we bring this to more people's attention?

FinalRest - "I floop the pig!" TALK - 14:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC) Hullo! I'm excited the magazine idea is up and running again. ^_^ Although I'm a bit reluctant to sign up for things, because I don't want to stick my name on things I won't be able to follow through on. :S But anyway, for clarification, the 5 tasks for the interactive page are pretty much a way to trick people into editing. 5 small tasks that need doing around both wikis so people can maybe set it as a goal to do everything on the tasks list. Then the game tasks are to stop that section from being all business. :) For hosting, why not host on both sites? Also, although I'm not sure I have the time to write articles, I'd be more than happy to proof read articles and add them into the templates. Where should I sign my name to do that?

TheFifteenthMember Ignoring how these caterpillars uttered what they're trying to say, I do agree. — TheFifteenthMember 20:11, 17 April 2014 (UTC) Okay, we could definitely host it on both sites! There's quite a bit of code left to do, considering we've reskinned the project and modified parts. Also, I still think the "game tasks" isn't a good idea because I doubt anyone will appreciate us telling them what to do in a game. Really, most people have played their KH games already, so unless anyone can think of some good ones, the challenges will be a rather useless space. If we do that, the "only business" element would've went so we could move the tasks to the relevant Wiki report pages. Question: Can someone elaborate on the Round Room and user interview ideas? What sorts of things could we do? Also, I'd like to remind everyone that we shouldn't bite off more than we can chew. We'll need to be writing quite a few articles later on so I'm hoping everyone is thinking of ideas. I'm afraid the "Sign-Up" sheet is putting people off so I think I'll restructure it in a way that people can post their ideas/drafts for each page and then the writers can take it from there. Hopefully, that doesn't force editors to have a massive commitment but lets them contribute at whatever level they're comfortable with. That'd be needed to write every issue so we probably need a page in the "KHWiki:" space, like the Votes for Featured Media. We need a place where both Keyhole and '.com users can discuss together, though. On a final note: If we're releasing each issue after every three months, we'll need to divide the year into quarters. The simplest way to do that is releasing an issue on every January, April, July and October. Considering E3 is mid-June, I'm hoping our first issue will be ready for the coming July and that leaves us over two months. If we spend the first month going over formats and writing the magazine template, we can start writing content and recording the podcast in the second month. Do you guys think that's an achievable target?

MateusinhoEX - Hebby Repp with stylin' threads and a serious 'tude sighted!— 14:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC) Okay, almost done with the coding. About the game grid, got two ideas. For puzzles we could do something like that classic "Who is this Pokemon?", but with Dream Eaters, Heartless, Nobodies, Unversed and even characters. In the riddles, if someone can think off, we can put a quote for people to tell from who it is. Ideas? Also, counted Cover as page 1 and COntents as page 2 just because... well... come on, it's cool to have exactly 13 pages in a KH magazine XD.

Chainoffire - "Hey, wait... I'm enjoying this. You guys are something else!" TALK - :) Chainoffire 03:29, 18 April 2014 (UTC) I know a certain someone that's pretty good at riddles... lemme see if I can get him on board. I do like the "Who's that pokemon?" idea though. Could there possibly be prizes for getting them right?

FinalRest - I beckoned your heart to lead you here. And I'm so glad you found me. TALK - 16:16, 18 April 2014 (UTC) Welp, the idea for the game tasks was sort of like the extra challenge things some users created over on the Keyhole. An example of the three types of task could be Keyhole: Create a Treasure Chest locations table for any of the KHII worlds KHWiki: Expand one of any of the stub sections Game: Defeat Sephiroth three times in a row without dying Yano, crazy crap like that. ^_^ We could also post the sigs of people that complete the tasks as a bit of boasting rights. :) The Round Room was originally going to be a page for Staff members to get together and chat about a randomly chosen KH question. But, looking at it now, that's pretty much what the podcast will be. So should we change the Round Room page to a page for the podcast? To fill out the page I think it might also be a good idea to add a transcript of the podcast, if that's possible to do. The user interviews were a way to introduce veteran editors. A short little chat of maybe 5 questions, to give an idea of who they are as both an editor and a fan of the KH series. Are the issues still going to be themed to give the entire issue a sense of cohesion? Or are we just gonna talk about everything and anything? :D For the Coliseum page I think just having a link to both of our arenas would be a little too less for an entire page. So I was thinking of how we could make that page a little more worthwhile and I came up with the idea of a user debate. All we'd need is two willing users with opposing opinions to discuss either a) two random KH related things or b) one or both of the arena battles linked. They could take a serious approach to why they think their side is the superior skill/object/character/plot point, or they could turn it into a bit of a comedic thing. Thoughts? Or any other ideas? If we can't think of anything to fill the page, I think it might be best to move the links to either the wiki reports pages, or the game page. You made a good point about the wiki already having game tutorials available, but I still think it'd be a good idea to include small game walkthroughs. What I think would be good would be to take extracts out of the walkthroughs and include them in the tutorial page. For instance, we can have something like "How to beat Terra-Xehanort" and underneath that we link to the rest of the BBS walkthrough. That way we're generating interest in other parts of the wiki. Almost done! Do we have someone who can whip/is whipping up title images for the different sections of the magazine? Cause we only have text right now to head each section, and that's kind of bland. ;D Finally, here's the link to the first wiki mag forum I opened here. It explains the round room and interviews etc better there. :)

KeybladeSpyMaster - There will always be a Door to the light ! TALK - File:Symbol Character - Mickey.png Helping others always comes before asking others for help! - 05:28 PM Fri, April 18, 2014 MDT Well, I can do the images, since I have Photoshop. Just tell me what they are meant to look like, a concept of sorts, and I can start on that this weekend.

TheFifteenthMember I hope it's slow and painful; the elation I get from such kills is unmatched by anything, yeeeess... Just thinking about it makes me... oohhh... — TheFifteenthMember 00:12, 19 April 2014 (UTC) MEX, those are great ideas! To make the "Guess the Quote" puzzle more wholesome, maybe we can turn it into a "Who am I?" riddle by including more facts and details. For example: I was once a Heartless. I wield a Keyblade. "Friends are my Power!" -Who am I?- Answer: Sora Except, the riddle would be harder and not as obvious :P If we have a "Guess the Heartless", "Who am I?" and the riddle CoF's "certain someone" will provide, we can have three segments for our puzzle page, which sounds pretty great to me! Earlier, I mentioned having a competition where people email their answers and the ones who get everything correct gets a special mention. The only prize I can think of, other than an accolade and a special mention, is them getting first priority in posting questions to the mailbag and making requests for the Namine's Sketchbook. The special mention means we can include a fourth section on the puzzle page that contains the answers for the previous issue's puzzles and those special mentions. Side note: KHWiki and the Keyhole does have a shared email account, right? The Round Room can be the podcast's hub page then. It can include a summary such as "In July's podcast, we talk about..." and then a bulleted list. Although it's a nice idea, I fear a transcript would be too hard to write since it would require insane amounts of work- we'd have to sit there, typing out half-an-hour's worth of dialogue word for word :< The user interviews could use the speech bubble design we first had planned for the Round Room (cos that was a nice design :P). The game tasks sounds okay to me now, but perhaps we should limit them to either one, two or three so that they're more concentrated and, err, "focused" if that makes sense (that goes for the Wiki ones too). Lastly: The Coliseum. We can probably scrap the tournament bracket and "This week's fight" entirely and replace it with a simple link to the MA and Underdrome. Reason being, a latecomer who reads the issue a couple of weeks after its release would be misled when "This week's fight" actually turns out to be "Two weeks ago's fight". I do like the idea of an opinionated argument between two users. It'd be like an extended Keyblade Graveyard.

KeybladeSpyMaster - Wait, there's more than one Xehanort? TALK - I don't understand! Doesn't that make them Oraganization XXVI? - 08:25 PM Fri, April 18, 2014 MDT All this time, I thought the Round Room was related to the Roundtable, and was meant to be a summary of relevant points from the recent Roundtables of both wikis! Well, screwed that one up. On another note, with so many changes, I'm beginning to lose track of what actually still needs to be done before the articles themselves are created. Asking mostly because I want to be involved with the coding, unless, of course, I'm no longer needed. In which case, I really should probably get back to that manga chapter list template. Ahh! I'm so confused....and tired... not sure what to do. Maybe I'll be back next week with a clearer mind...

TheFifteenthMember Myes, but THEY didn't know that! We have to consider THEM! And yet we must also be mysterious, myes, myes... — TheFifteenthMember 15:46, 19 April 2014 (UTC) Sorry about the confusion, I'm going to post a summary and "to do list" soon. And I'm hoping "soon" is tomorrow but I can't make any promises I can't keep :< Also, question about FR's proposal to post the sigs of anyone who completes a task: Should we demand a screenshot/camera pic for people from people who claim to have completed a game task, like how we done for the End of Year Event 2012? That immediately prevents a lotta cheating, sockpuppets, etc.

TheFifteenthMember Yes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way. — TheFifteenthMember 14:45, 20 April 2014 (UTC)