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Chaosxterra09 - Good, let's see what your made of
TALK - 02:42, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
So I'm watchin tha battle between the Mysterious Figure and Aqua on youtube and apparently he can knock off ur deck commands, as well as make clones of himself, and some other crazy stuff; it's got me wonderin why Nomura would put this guy in tha game and expect us to be able to beat him and where has this dude been throughout KH series? Takin a nap!?!
maggosh The steel is forged... "Souls as far as the eye can see..."

"If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else."

Friend, it's called challenge.

It's a challenge, of course! Nomura wouldn't want the new boss to be a pushover, so he made it tough. Besides, getting that fancy new Keyblade will take some work.

As for where he's been, I think he's been watching, and waiting, for the right opportunity to strike at our heroes. Some of the best villains prefer to wait in the shadows and strike when the heroes are of guard. I suspect this fellow is doing the same. Tamroc7 02:47, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Chaosxterra09 - Good, let's see what your made of
TALK - 02:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
Challenge??? Ha! From what I see it's a one man massacre. I mean not that i wont try to fight him but uh....yeah...

Well he makes VLS looks easy, and he is NOT easy! i will fight him, and unlike the guy on Gamefaqs, i will beat him, fairly, and you shal get screen shots that i WILL take with my DSi! but he still lokks tough as hell, in summer, on the hottest ******* day of the year!(yes i censored myself.)--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 13:45, September 5, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

The REAL trick is beating him when you're only halfway through the game. I wonder how long it'll take to level up WITHOUT advancing the story... -- 00:40, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

This may sound ridiculous but from what I've seen and heard, although defeating the lingering sentiment of Vanitas does unlock the Mysterious Figure battle in all files, it doesn't mean you're locked out from the battle on the file where you made that defeat. Apparently you can return to the Land of Departure in the English version at all times (Though it gets dark and cloudy post-darkness). Mind you I heard/saw this from someone who, well, pirated a copy early, but that's not important. - Flintlock Vitor 06:05, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

The guide explicitly says you have to reload an earlier save file, so...yeah.Glorious CHAOS! 12:31, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
Hm, I'm curious now. Which guide is this? And what's the wording on it, exactly? I usually wouldn't persist, but when I've pretty much seen someone return there in action, I kinda have to question things. Plus guides have been wrong before. Flintlock Vitor 02:20, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
The Bradygames guide:
"Save the game after you defeat Vanitas's Lingering Spirit, and then load a saved file in which you have access to the Land of Departure."
Also, unless you've seen the guy sitting in front of you playing the game (and even then), it's likely that they were using hacks.Glorious CHAOS! 12:28, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
You know, now that I look back on this line, the guide isn't really incorrect. It just never says anything about when the Land of Departure is accessible. - Flintlock Vitor 21:40, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

So, Anyone notice how organization-y he is? He has Xemnas's blades, Zexions (and Larxenes absent silloueete) cloning,Axels fire, Luxords time stuff, His ball lasers kinda look like the dragoon ships snowflake lasers, that turning invisible at the beginning is like Unknown in KHFM, and to top it all of when he walks calmly in battle he looks just like saix.EternalIcecream.


Chaosxterra09 - Good, let's see what your made of
TALK - 02:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
I found tha vid for him vs Aqua but i dont know how to incorporate it to tha article so here's tha link.

Chaosxterra09 - Good, let's see what your made of
TALK - 02:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
I was in Wal-mart and saw the guide sry i couldn add a pic but my good phone broke Health=999, Status resistances=immune to everything, Physical, Thunder, Blizzard, Fire, and Dark=x1.0

A couple questions[edit]

What is the latest save point where the Land of Departure is still available? And if I beat him with say Terra, does No Name carry over to my other Terra file?-- 22:26, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


Something tells me the Mysterious Figure is the villain behind the story, not Xehanort. Maybe he was used as well. I'm not sure, though.

--Charmed-Jay 13:01, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Idk, but I got the vibe its a future Sora. For one he has Sora-like mannerisms when he attacks and recovers from being attacked, along with his intro/ defeat. His intro/ fighting stance reminds me ALOT of Sora's Valor form, he uses an almost identical stance, along with the almost identical electricity pulsation around his hands. He also uses a very awkward/unpredictable fighting style, like Sora, has "overpowered moves" (also Sora), and also uses Sora's Valor finisher; Sonic End, which he makes an "X" slash. He also does a semi-invisible move and telepathically attacks you with his weapons, which Sora is capable of doing in Final form, aswell as in his normal state (not the invisible part), as he shows vs Roxas, when he steals his keyblades, and they telepathically attack along with Sora's normal strikes. Remember too, Sora grows more powerful from game to game, showing his growth in the light. So duel wielding, and the use of these types of attacks wouldnt surprise me. You could argue with me that "if it was Sora he'd use a keyblade." Well, using a keyblade would make it less mysterious/unknown. Besides, Sora has been shown to use other people's weapons, as when he steals Saix's Claymore; and in Final mix when you defeat an Org. member, you get to a recipe to make a replica of thier weapons. In addition, the keyblade you get from the Mysterious Figure, is very time-themed, so Sora could have traveled from the future. The Mysterious Figures moves wont/dont look 100% like Sora's due to this new combat system, which Sora has not been adapted to, so this could be a kind of Sora beta test. Just my theory, feel free to shoot me down =). -FatalMercy 03:30, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

I hate you Nomura[edit]

If the staff has trouble beating it, what makes you think the average gamer could!? I could only manage 5 hits on him, and whenever he clones himself I'm almost garantued death! --Evnyofdeath 17:48, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

maggosh The steel is forged... "Souls as far as the eye can see..."

"If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else."

Allow me to copypasta what I said earlier;

Friend, it's called challenge.

I know its a challenge, and its one I'm going to beat, but that doesn't change the fact Nomura has one twisted sense of humor making it this strong. --Evnyofdeath 18:10, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

It's classic Final Fantasy brokenness. Go look up Final Fantasy bosses like Yiazmat and Pandemonium Warden/Absolute Virtue. Yiazmat takes a good 2+ hours to beat, and has 50mil HP and has all kinds of status effects, immune to all magic, etc. -FatalMercy 18:37, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

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Pea14733 Freeze! — 13:53, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
BlizzardRCOBlue.png If it doesn't hard, it won't be fun ^^. Also, I heard that many people complained that KHII was too easy. So, Nomura made the later games harder and harder including Days's Challenge Sigils and this boss in BBS.

Who could it be?[edit]

Who do you guys think he is?He cant be Xemnas he wasnt created yet and he doesnt have all those powers he cant be Xehanort cause(SPOILER)hes Terra's body(and I asssume soul) and Mx's heart,and he doesnt fight.So who could it be and I swear he has some connection to Xeahanort.I mean just look at his pose thats Xemnas's pose.Lssj4 15:30, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

DeadManCandyLand - Good. Let's See what your made of.
TALK - Someone's gotta whip him into shape. 15:37, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
i have a possible theory buts super lame ok here it is time travel yo

Another reason it can't be Xehanort is because Terra fights it, and all three fights are canon. But the time travel theory is actually plausible, I mean, from watching the battle he has control over time, to a much greater degree than Luxord.--Evnyofdeath 16:09, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

It could be Eraqus, or what's left of him in a manner similar to the Lingering Sentiment and Vanitas Remnant. The leaked Final Mix video shows the new, mysterious armored figure with distinguishing similarities to Eraqus's uniform (his boots, waist pads, and what can be made out of his battle stance all match Eraqus's), and it takes place in the same area as the fight with this boss. --Immblueversion 00:09, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

what a seconed their's a leaked bbs final mix secret ending? where? 21:38, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

I have a feeling there two different bosses one is connected to Xehanort and the other is eraqus's senteinent Im pretty sure thats true I just seen the trailer and its gotta be his LS just like Terra's and Vanitas's.Lssj4 02:51, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

I had a weird dream related to this guy a few nights back. I saw his "face" for a few seconds, but he was looking down so I mostly saw his head and beard. Something like Santa Claus, but it was shorter and blonde... I really need to figure out what the hell it is that I'm smoking... --Hyperwre_2.0 04:28, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

You just described Luxord, maybe you got the idea from Luxord controlling time, similar to how MF does when your fighting him/her/it.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 21:51, September 26, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman

It was longer than his. He was bald at the top and the beard was comicly rounded.. Like I said, Santa Claus but shorter. Luxord is more... Scruffy. Also I haven't faught him yet.. I've been a little busy in the Mirage Arena... The Iron Impersioner IV is my Nemisis... and fighting him solo isn't fun. --Hyperwre_2.0 17:42, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Because its robe is form distorting, it could literally be anyone. I am not a regular to this wikia, so pardon if this has already been discussed. My thoughts are 1: Xemnas/Xehanhort time travel, (it is using ethereal blades after all) 2: Time traveling aqua/aqua's nobody (bizzare, true, but it has many parallels - Xehanort had a keyblade, but his nobody used ethereal blades. Aqua is represented by water which typically portrayed as blue like the unknown's blades. The mysterious figure uses some of aqua's techniques including renewal barrier. Also the mysterious figure has control over time, and aqua has some unique time related abilities including time splicer. Not a perfect idea, just a thought) 3: a character that hasn't yet been introduced, perhaps even someone manipulating events or a mysterious protagonist 4: An avatar/spirit/demon representing organization XIII's power without an identity. Otherwise it could be anyone. Dialask77


WarMonger89 Too bright a shine shows eyes of envy.
you know, i've noticed that even though this guy is NOT woth Organization XIII, i've noticed that he has some moves or references with the members. like:

Energy Blades: Xemnas (obvious)

Pillars of Flames: Axel

Tornado: Xaldin

Replicating Clones: Larxene

Reversing Time: Luxord

Turning invisible: Possibly Roxas (because he can bend the Light around him making him invisible)

so there's something to think about, eh?

Chitalian8 Say... — Only by allowing strangers in can we find new ways to be ourselves.

Life's little crossroads are often as simple as the pull of a trigger. — 00:34, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

20px-Pin_000.png Don't forget Xigbar's lasers. I highly doubt that the invisibility was a reference to Roxas.

Lt.Haven - 1988 too old-school for you?
TALK - Gamer
One more thing should be noticed. He is the only of two characters in Birth By Sleep to wear a Dark Cloak. The other character is Master Xehanort when he dumps Ven's body on an island. I do not think this is a coincidence.

Ansem the wise wears a Black Coat in Birth by sleep.And most of his attacks are actually more similar to TVA than the Organization. 20:20, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

It could very well be a younger(Not Terranort) Xehanort. Who knows though? Naruto195 17:31, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Xelias0 - Xemnas (card) seems your hearts have led you to obliteration. Perhaps it doesn't pay to be too loyal to one's heart. I will have to be sure and remember that.
TALK - My name is of no importance.
Nobody thought about Marluxia's other ? The Unknown's style of fighting is closer to Marluxia's. Whirlwind to the Void and Doom, two of Marluxia's best known attacks, are used by this boss. In fact, this boss uses a mix of both Unknowns (Marluxia and Xemnas)' abilities : besides Marluxia's powers, he wields Xemnas's Ethereal Blades (or something similar) and the Barrier he uses in Final Mix.

Or what about Master Xehanort's Nobody ? If Sora got one, why not him ?

The hypothesis of the unknown being Ansem the Wise is also reliable, for two main reasons :

  • He's the only one to wear an Organization XIII coat except M.Xehanort, and it's definitely not M.Xehanort himself, otherwise he'd use a Keyblade or something similar.
  • And speaking of fighting styles, one of the only characters not to have been shown fighting is Ansem. And as we know, Xemnas loves to copy his old master, so it wouldn't be surprising for the Superior to steal Ansem's style of fighting.


Maybe the reason you fight him in the original Land of Departure is because, the mysterious figure turned back time to make castle oblivion back into when it was still land of departure. Therefore he might be someone that that has something to do with Castle Oblivion. I think he has something to do with Organisation 13, because HE'S WEARING THEIR UNIFORM! and since castle oblivion was Organisation 13's second base, it would make sense. OR.... maybe it's a non-canon boss and it will never make any sense, and more people will waste time talking about it like we're doing now. OR... it might have something to do with Kingdom Hearts 3D.

Well, Nomura has said it IS a canon boss, and story wise it takes place BEFORE LoD turns into Castle Oblivion. Remember, while Terra is still Terra and Ven is still awake, LoD is drenched in Darkness, but hasnt' become Castle Oblivion yet. --Evnyofdeath 16:51, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Good Point