Forum:BBS Keyblade Info

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Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 06:35, April 2, 2010 (UTC)   As I'm sure many of you know, Heartstation.org has been posting their scans of the BBS Ultimania [1], including the chapters on the available Keyblades. Regarding stats, are we planning on waiting until the English release, or is it OK to start taking information from here? Also, just a quick aside, but I noticed that the shared Keyblades actually do have differences between them, namely their length. This is most obvious with Keyblades like Hyperdrive and Winning Medalion, but Ven's 'Blades are the shortest, and Terra's are the longest. Finally, just wondering if someone with the graphical know-how is planning to or in the process of making use of the pictures.

Kharon - "Not even the deepest darkness can shroud the connection our hearts share." TALK - "My inner darkness saved me when I needed help the most." Leave the images to me.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 07:56, April 2, 2010 (UTC) I'm handling images as well; I already cropped all of the artwork out for the wiki and uploaded it, now I am taking care of some Unversed. Also, interesting point: the guide does not list Vanitas or Vanitas's Sentiment as Unversed.

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 22:24, April 2, 2010 (UTC)   Well, it's looking good so far. Are you going to do all the Keyblades, including the 3 variations for each character? Even if we don't put them all up now, it might be helpful to have them later on.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 22:41, April 2, 2010 (UTC) I would be happy to; I want to finish uploading Unversed renders, though, then I will get to the Keyblades.

KrytenKoro - "Space Corp Directive 195—In an emergency power situation, a hologrammatic crew member must lay down his life in order that the living crew members might survive."  "Yes, but Rimmer Directive 271 states just as clearly: 'No chance, you metal bastard.'" TALK - We are going to be getting better quality images eventually, right? I mean, I don't want to knock anyone's work, but for example, if you compare the current Magic Mirror image to the previous one, it's far inferior, and is only better on a technical aspect (that it's the full image). For the images, 1) Please upload the three versions separately, and 2) how about we use Terra's as the standard (both since his story is first, and that his are the longest, showing the most detail), and upload Aqua and Ventus's versions in the gallery. The only difference in them is the length stat, and if that is anything like in KH1 and KH2 (and from what I've seen, it is), that's a hidden stat in the game, as is the Critical Power and Critical Rate. If it turns out that length is somehow reported in the game, then we can create three infoboxes for each shared Keyblade, but it's unlikely. I think we're good to go on starting the infoboxes, though they'll obviously need to have the information checked and renamed once the English version comes out.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 18:17, April 3, 2010 (UTC) The North American version may have some images that we can pull and crop, but this may be what we have to stick with. The Unversed look fine to me, and Magic Mirror's inferior quality is due to this being the official render given in the Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Ultimania. The subject's name is Magic Mirror, not Mask. In addition, it is better to show the entire subject in a render. Oh, the Keyblades. Yes, I told LegoAlchemist that each Keyblade should have its three forms uploaded seperately. I was thinking that we tab the Keyblade infobox for Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep to show "Terra", "Ventus", and "Aqua", but having three seperate tabs just to distinguish between images seems redundant. If the length is an actual statistic or has an impact on other statisitcs of the weapon's forms, I think we should make three infoboxes on their respective articles. On a lighter note, I've only got a few more Unversed to crop out of the Ultimania; about six or seven. I think that the crops are going well, and are looking far superior to the blurry images we had before that did not even capture the entire subject.

KrytenKoro - Pinocchio with his nose attached to the trigger of a rifle, which points at his face as he says, "I want to live!" TALK - Might there be any way to hack the game data like we did for KHII and Days? If not, could we maybe get Bowser to recrop the images? Also, according to the Ultimania, the Delicious Tower is the only Keyblade that actually differs in design. Each other others is simply "stretched" compared to the other versions. EDIT: Sorry, missed some. Hyperdrive changes in number of helixes, and Winning Medallion has a different number of "floors".

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 19:18, April 3, 2010 (UTC) I'm unsure of what needs recropping by Bowser the Second. Could you please point out the issue with the images that I am cropping from the Ultimania, or are you just talking about the Keyblades? I myself cannot hack the game, but perhaps ShardOfTruth can do so. Since apparently only some of the Keyblades differ in design, most noticeably Hyperdrive, perhaps we should use one universal image if we can prove the Keyblades to be identical for all three protagonists (I can test them by laying them on top of each other on Photoshop), and add variations of the Keyblade in a gallery.

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DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 20:06, April 3, 2010 (UTC) I cannot explain any added darkness that you are noticing, since I didn't affect the brightness of the image when I cropped them. Furtherfore, I used the Magic Wand tool in addition with the eraser to remove borders that merge with the concentric background. I apologize if that is ruining the quality, but I think that they should still suffice. We most certainly will not be embedding the images at 800px, a size at which any uneven edges are noticeable. As for items, I agree that ripping the images from the game is the best method of collecting the images for their articles. Also, since most of the Keyblades are instead "stretched", not redesigned, I suggest just using a universal image, then adding the others into a gallery. By doing this, the basic design is the most visible on the article, and the "stretched" or "compacted" versions will be in a gallery.