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Eternal Nothingness XIII - Terra Master Symbol.png You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials.
TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 19:42, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
TerraCharm.pngFor some time now, one of my biggest pet peeves has been the lack of article usage in certain articles (i.e. : a, the, an, etc.)

I've seen countless sentences written here that leave a foul taste on my tongue because of this, examples being :

  • Riku Replica is a replica made by Vexen from Riku's combat data.
  • Land Armor is an Emblem Heartless found in Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
  • Ultima Weapon is a Keyblade obtained through item synthesis.

While the preferred method would be :

  • The Riku Replica is a replica made by Vexen from Riku's combat data.
  • The Land Armor is an Emblem Heartless from Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days.
  • The Ultima Weapon is a Keyblade obtained through item synthesis.

The only reason I bring this issue up is because everywhere else I look (in-game, guidebooks, interviews, etc.), they put articles before everything in the Enemy, Weapon, and (in Riku Replica's case) Character categories. There also seems to be an issue regarding which articles are used. Some users suggest things be phrased like :

  • A Land Armor is an Emblem Heartless from Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days.

I personally think "the" sounds better. It's also grammatically correct. True, "a" also works, but I've seen "the" used a lot more often, considering "a" would only work with Heartless. I suppose "the" would be used if there was only one of something, like the Guard Armor, the Ultima Weapon, or the Riku Replica, and "a" could be used for things that have more than one member, such as the Shadows, Dusks, and Floods (the Shadow-like Unversed for those who don't know all ready).

Sometimes, articles don't even have to be used. All we have to do is make the bolded text at the start of the article plural, but that screws up how it matches the title :

  • Shadows are the weakest Pureblood Heartless.

Regardless of what we decide, it should be carried throughout the article, not just for one section. This should also be added to the new MoS once we reach a verdict.

Discussion[edit]

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UnknownEnigma - In the meantime, would you be interested in meeting another who is considered a hero?
TALK - Your existence is worth nothing!
May I also bring up the grammar rule on using "a" and "an". "A" is to be used before a word with a consonant sound: such as,"I see a book. "An" on the other hand is to be used before words with a vowel sound (a, e, i, o, u, both soft and hard pronunciations). For example: "I see an apple." You should NEVER use "a" or "an" like: "I read an book" or "I eat a apple." These are big NO NO's!!! Sorry, when it comes to grammar, sometimes I have OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder). I just can't stand it.

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Eternal Nothingness XIII - Terra Master Symbol.png Well, I got something out of it, too. I learned that you don't always have to bend the rules to reach your goals.
TALK - Oy, sometimes you are such a girl. — 19:57, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
Earthshaker Keychain KHBBS.png Oh, I hear you there. But I think we're smart enough to realize that, at lest the decent contributors who are actually willing to make these changes are. Thanks for the reminder, nonetheless.

Other Issues Relating to Articles[edit]

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Eternal Nothingness XIII - Terra Master Symbol.png But why? Help me understand, Master Xehanort. What is it that I have failed to learn?
TALK - What? How did I— What did I do? What did YOU do? — 10:52, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
Earthshaker Keychain KHBBS.png What about articles in the page titles? I thought it was against our policy to have articles in the page titles, but experiences with an editor making redirects caused me to have second thoughts, when I saw the first sentences were formatted like this :
  • The Emperor rules all of China.
  • The Queen tried to poison Snow White.

Many of the Birth by Sleep characters share this issue. Below is a list that I could find of all pages in question :

I'm sure there are others, but I just haven't come across them yet.

Discussion - Pt. II[edit]

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LevL Fear my mighty instruments! — 11:24, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
I think the character pages should have the same name as the character's name in the Journal. That means that it should be The Emperor and The Mayor. I don't know about the BBS characters, as they don't have an English Trinity Report entry yet.
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JFHavoc Talk to Me! — I once took an IQ test and got a score of over 9000.

You're all morons. — 16:03, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Talk_Bubble_Legend_zpsa9c4698c.png I agree. If Square thought they should have an article in front of they're name we should probably put one there.

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Eternal Nothingness XIII - Terra Master Symbol.png You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials.
TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 19:59, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
TerraCharm.pngFor the BBS characters, we should watch the final credits of the game. They list the characters' English names above the Japanese voice actor there. If there's a "The" in front of it, then we'll change the title to include an article.
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LevL Fear my mighty instruments! — 20:20, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
I watched the BBS credits and I'll make a list of the characters with an article in their name:
  • The Queen
  • The Magic Mirror
  • The Witch (the Queen in her old woman form)
  • The Prince

Apparently only Dwarf Woodlands characters have articles in their names, though that is probably just a coincidence.

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Eternal Nothingness XIII - Terra Master Symbol.png Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right.
TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 09:20, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
Earthshaker Keychain KHBBS.png Well, I'm not sure the Witch dictates her own page, and for some reason, I'm not too keen on having a "the" before the Magic Mirror. Then again...

What really need is a staff opinion on this. A staff member should be contacted if possible.

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FA icon.png Pretty tough cookie eh ?

Okay, for subjects which have a constant article throughout (as in The Mayor of Halloween Town is always referred to as The Mayor), then we'll have to put in the article. And I believe the same applies for BBS characters, though it'd be best to wait until the English release.

For articles like the Radiant Garden, I know the English version said "The Radiant Garden" for KHII, but BBS says Radiant Garden. For such anomalies, it's best not to have the article.

Helping others always comes before asking others for help. TroisNyxÉtienne — 12:45, February 24, 2010 (UTC)