Talk:Nobody

Bluer says at 01:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC) I've seen the edit war in this page, kupo, and I'm not pleased. Someone please reorganize the Types section because I frankly have no idea how it is actually organized,

Have you ever nocticed that heartless are made from peoples hearts, and nobodies are made from peoples bodies? I bet the unbirths are made from born people. Myself 123 20:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Emotions

I know its said many times throughout KH2 that nobodies have no emotions, but I feel like its an arguable fact. Yen Sid says it, and DiZ says it all the time, but the story seems to be trying to convince you otherwise. Roxas and Axel clearly actually care for eachother, otherwise Axel's actions make no sense. Namine is a Nobody, and yet she cares enough about Sora and Roxas to try to save them. Is it possible that these generalizations are just DiZ being sort of a "racist"?--Zephyrus11 08:42, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Not racist, but perhaps he was implying that since Nobody's are in actual bodies and souls without hearts, they would not have emotions. Yet sometimes I believe we don't need hearts to have emotion, memories could also trigger emotions. [^_^]/ 08:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's a convertion screw-up. As I recall, it's only in the NA and EU version that it is actually directly stated in the story by charcters that Nobodies do not have emotions at all. In the Jap version, they were merely called "incomplete", an did, to some extent, retain bits and pieces of emotions. At least that was the gist of it, I think. I'll try to find where I read that, just to be sure. --Hecko X 10:38, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Why hasn't this been added in, then? The article still clearly says Nobodies lack emotions and emotions they do show are used to trick others. Even not considering Axel and his sacrifice, Larxene shows regret and disbelief when she fades and Vexen begs Axel for his life. That's pretty clear fear, and who would Vexen be fooling when Axel is a Nobody as well? Saix goes into a berserk rage when he fights Sora. While there are some examples of Nobodies faking emotions, examples like this seem to show that Nobodies do have some measure of emotions, despite observations of certain characters in the game.

Heh, its very likely that Nomura came up with the emotionless nobodies concept AFTER CoM, so he initially designed them with vibrant personalities. He'll have to find some excuse in 358/2 days that proves that they really were emotionless most of the time. But yeah, so far, he's consistantly claimed that they have no emotions. He claims that things like Vexen begging and stuff are the nobodies becoming so good a pretending they have emotions that they are fooling themselves. XienZo 18:07, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure he came up with that concept after CoM. After all, Twilight Town, Roxas, the Xemnas/Xehanort/DiZ conundrum, and the concept of Nobodies had already been created. Kingdom Hearts II was clearly pretty far into development by that point. But if you think about it, remember- Nobodies remember their past lives. Therefore, they remember what it was like to have a heart, and feelings, even if they no longer do. Since in Kingdom Hearts, "heart" means something more along the lines of "soul," Nobodies are more like memories of their past lives in a physical form. They aren't pretending to have feelings to trick others- it's so they feel they still have a purpose in life, a coping mechanism to deal with their miserable "non-existence." (Not to push the "racist" angle, but a similar concept is in the book "Invisible Man," in which the main character begins to feel like he doesn't exist, and he strikes out at others to prove his existence to himself.) And who, after their death, wouldn't give anything to return to life? Even without a soul or feelings, they would long to be complete again. That explains their primary goal, AND why they fear death- dying means they can never go back to their old lives. In the end, it's just another term that shouldn't be taken too literally, like the idea of them actually "not existing." Obviously, they "exist," but only on a PHYSICAL plane. They "don't exist" in the sense that they have no metaphysical quality, no soul or "heart" to give them a HUMAN existence.

Playable!

Marluxia and Demyx and these other guys are playabe in Kingdom Hearts 2? I Guess I've Been Missing Out

Twoface13 - There's someone with a "key" -- the key to our survival. TALK - No... They'll pay for this! Who put this here? As far as I know, you can't play as anyone other than Sora, Riku, and Mickey without the use of a cheating device. Are you referring to the multiplayer part of 358/2 Days?

Heck, yeah, I guess he's referring to Days. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

definately talking about 365/2 days mission mode that would be cool though Pokhmon 18:18, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

Disney Characters

I wonder if Claton and/or Scar became Nobodies... Mcoolister

Possible, but i think Clayton had a weak will so he probily became a lesser Nobody, you might have already killed it. As for Scar, i'm not sure about that. Myself 123 18:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Scar probably had a Nobody, yeah. I'm also concerned as to the identities of Organization XIII's Heartless, and whether or not Riku or his replica could have a Nobody, as both were technically consumed by darkness at one point or another. Of course, neither Scar or Clayton were strong enough to be turned into distinctive Nobodies. Just watch their respective movies if you need proof of that. :P

Just a completely random thought

I have a picture of Terra, Ven and Aqua, all together in a row, really cool looking and everything, and I noticed all three of them have a symbol somewhere on their clothes that resembles the Nobody logo, but is right-side up, the heart has a different way of looking and the three points are more spiked. I was shocked when I noticed so I just had to check it and post SOMETHING...

All I have to say now is...thoughts anyone? User:Leiber_Mage

Can you show me?

That's the picture that I mean. The three emblems on their uniforms resemble the nobody logo but upside down. User:Leiber_Mage

Looks more like a spiky Heartless Emblem to me. But at this point, it could mean anything, so for the time being, instead of making random theories, it would be more fruitful to just keep an eye out for official info concerning this issue. Nice job in noticing though. --Hecko X 18:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

The symbols are actually hearts -_-Sxoxpxhxixe 18:33, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, how come Terra's emblem is in a different plance than the others it's also gold instead of silver. Myself 123 23:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Because he wants people to look at his crotch. It's like those guys who wear big golden belt buckles.

Pureblood ?

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. I've always wondered, could be there "Pureblood" nobodies ? All the nobodies we've seen so far in the series wore the emblem. It's logically the Organization who put it on them, but how are nobodies without it ? Are the organization members the only nobodies born "naturally", the others being created like the emblem heartless ?

Lemme think... Wait, Dusks and Creepers don't have Emblems on them, do they ? And considering that they are the Nobody equivalents of Pureblood Heartless (Neoshadows and Shadows respectively), methinks they're "Pureblood" in their own right. As for the rest, I can assume they were created. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. They do have the emblem, the Dusk on its head and the Creeper on its "hands".

Xiggie Buy / Sell — Welcome! What do you wanna do? Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— {{{time}}} Yeah, they have the emblem... but when you think about it, Dusks and Creepers are the only nobodies who aren't under a "master"... like Roxas has the Samurais, Demyx has the Dancers and Saïx has the Berserkers... also, I was wandering if there were more (emblem) Nobodies, one kind for every Org. member... one type for Vexen, another for Lexaeus, Zexion, Larxene and Marluxia... think they'll be revealed in KH days?

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. I don't really think, we haven't seen any lesser nobody in any video or scan.

Xiggie Buy / Sell — Welcome! What do you wanna do? Just because we're kids doesn't mean we can't run a business— {{{time}}} True, but still... I hope... :P

KrytenKoro - "Hey, I want to settle down. And as soon as I find the right small group of girls, the seven or eight women who are right for me, my wandering days are over, buddy." TALK - Non-human Nobodies are divided into "low-ranking" and "high-ranking", instead of "Pureblood" and "Emblem". Honestly, I always thought that Sorcerers worked much better for Zexion, Tiamat for Xemnas, Spectre for Marluxia, Creeper for Vexen (shield form), Twilight Thorn for Lexaeus (biggest, slamming attacks), and Dusk for Larxene (slinky). There's exactly 13 non-gummi Nobodies, but whatever, Nomura...but hopefully in 358/2 or some version of KH3, the last few Nobodies will be placed. If Tiamat isn't Xemnas' servant, is it a "low-ranking" Nobody?

Tiamat ? Wait a minute : refresh me on that one. Unbirth : Oops ! My bad ! Or what if... there are Purebloods, and Emblem Nobodies, and all of them have actually been inscribed with the Nobody symbol by their masters, Organisation XIII, as a sign of allegiance ? This monster... This is no Unversed. Just a dweller of Darkness. • TroisNyxÉtienne

I think "tiamat" is the big dragon xemnas commands in the final boss

Doc rocco - I'm a bad guy, so you have to through me. Conversazione? -Ten seconds ago you didn't even remember her name! · 00:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC) Well, if you think about the manner in which Nobodies are created, I don't think the Organization has the means to create them; a Heartless needs a heart while a Nobody needs a strong heart, body and soul. I don't think the Organization would be able to replicate the last two, personally, but then again, it is KH. I regardless of that, I think that all Nobodies are Pureblood in that sense.

KrytenKoro - You should have figured out whether bodies age without their hearts, Nomura. TALK - Oh! Sorry. Yeah, Tiamat is generally the name of the ultimate evil dragon in the FF series, and seeing as almost all other Nobodies are named after FF jobs, either that or Bahamut would be a likely name for the thing.

the differense between pure blood and emblem is artificiality, emblems are produced. in a sense because the first 6 of them were created using the same machine that turned them into heartless than they must artifical nobodies. in one of the ansem reports i remember him mentioning that the first emblem heartless were identicle to purebloods so he marked them. in the case of nobodys even thought they have an emblem it would appear are not marked to differentiate artifical from pure. the only other artificaly created Nobody is Roxas, who was created using the Dark key blade. in therory if Xemnas could have manipulated roxas or xion into recreating that key blade (if possible) than they would have been able to use it to artificialy create heartless and if those with strong hearts could be identified create nobodies as well.--Foutlet 18:08, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Some thoughts on nobodies

I had a weird thought when Axel said I'm not getting turned into a dusk for this that the orgazation has power to change human nobodies to dusks or a lower class of nobodies.--Firaga44 01:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Firaga44 - Everyone's favorite anime nerd is back and kicking!Well not everyone's favorite but you people get the idea >.< TALK - All i hear during that cutscene blah blah blah. ok let me see if i can get my facts straight.Nobodies don't have hearts. Each member of orgazation 13 commands a certain nobody

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NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... That's correct, so far.

i think there is plenty of room for a heartless organization and a new type of enemy thoughts please:

Bro01 - "I'm sane... most of the time!." TALK - "Prepare to get your ass kissed... KICKED, I meant kicked!" if the strong nobodies still have a human appearance, what crates the big ones like the twilight thorn? are they 'animal' nobodies or something?

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. I think they're stronger than the common nobodies, but weaker than the human-like ones. To conserve its appearance when being a nobody, a person need to have a very powerful heart. If it's a bit less powerful, the nobody will be strong but not human.

Special Nobodies

I looked over the page pretty quick and saw a little info on this, but not enough. Are they created when someone willingly becomes a Heartless or when the original being and the Nobody exist at the same time? Please, enlighten me. Kthnxbai --

Unbirth Discussion — Et moi, Jack, L'EPOUVANTAIL ! Ils me trouvent génial, mes mauvais tours les émerveillent, tous les ans c'est le triomphe et la gloire. If they're special, there's no normal way to them to appear. It's not the same for everyone, Roxas and Naminé are two different cases (as Naminé is, in essence, nothing).

== a question ==

Firaga44 - Everyone's favorite anime nerd is back and kicking!Well not everyone's favorite but you people get the idea >.< TALK - All i hear during that cutscene blah blah blah. i have a question do human nobodies since that don't exist wouldn't that mean that don't need to eat to survive i've been wonder that for a long time

Larxene took a bite of meat (see Riku Replica's good luck charm). Coroxn-The Lunar Brigade

Eternal Nothingness XIII - I'm not afraid of what the darkness holds now. Even if you do wrest control of my heart from me, even if you cast me into the deepest, darkest abyss, you'll never sway me from the one cause that pushes me to keep on fighting. Whatever the cost, I'm ready to pay it. TALK - There's darkness within me... So what does that matter? I know I'm strong enough to hold it back. — 17:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC) Nobodies are inexistent beings, the empty shells of those without hearts given life. Saying they are "without a heart" is a reference to a lack of a soul, which means it is assumed that they still possess the organ vital to human (Nobody) survival. It has never been official that human Nobodies like Xemnas eat, but it has been seen in the KH:CoM manga, something added merely for comic relief. Nobodies are, in a way, not human, so it should be assumed that they possess vital organs, but do not recquire the needs of an ordinary human to survive.

Firaga44 - Dissidia is awesome! TALK - I'll be playing crisis core over there*points to a corner*. kinda like the centiroins from dawn of the new world they consume mana naturally so they don't have to eat food ok they sound nothing alike i just wanted to bring that up

Somebodies

Out of all of the fan terminology, people who refer to original beings as 'Somebodies' really, really pisses me off for some reason. I may be mistaken, but I cannot recall a single occurrence in which a Nobody said "Somebody", but not as some body, but as a being. Like a Heartless or Unversed. Is Somebody the actual cannon name for a regular person in the KH series? Please tell me it is not true.

Nobody Clothes?

You know when Roxas became a Nobody he had different clothes to Sora? How is this? I always thought that a new Nobody would be naked at first, or at least have the same clothes as their complete beings.

Maybe Nobodies take the forms of their original selves, or in some cases, people whom their original selves have seen before. In that case, Sora meeting Ven. Ven's clothes are half Sora and half Roxas, as we'd call it. But because Roxas is half of Sora, well, that "half" was separated and we have... voila, clothes in a different style. That's what I think. TNÉ _{En avant Bravo !} 13:17, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Somebodies...

Has anyone noticed that of the organization's somebodies that we know what they look like are essentially identical to their nobodies while Roxas and Namine look fairly different (their hair)?

This is possibly because of Roxas and Namine's strange births. The Org. XIII Nobodies are literally the bodies of their Somebodies with minor changes due to the darkness. As Org. Nobodies were shells, and Roxas and Namine just appeared after Sora lost his heart, this is possibly why. Also, REMEMBER TO SIGN YOUR POSTS! - EternalNothingnessXIII 23:59, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Ahh this may be true! And sorry! --Webuiltthecross 01:02, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Aging

HarpieSiren - Here's one for all of us TALK - It will keep us connected You've all seen the recent image of Ienzo. He looks prepubescent, while his Nobody is clearly in his late teens/early twenties. Not to mention Namine had an obvious growth spurt between CoM and KH2. It looks like Nobodies can age. Of course, we'll probably need to play BBS before we have confirmation on this matter. ETA:And yes, while we don't know when Ienzo became a Nobody, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's true that Nobodies don't age.

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? That scan of Ienzo is incrediby blurry, so his age can't be seen. Also, with Namine, I think they just altered her form to match Kairi's.

HarpieSiren - Here's one for all of us TALK - It will keep us connected Okay, saw the interview. Which brings up even more questions than it answered. -_- BBS better explain this.

What interview?--Masgrande 15:23, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

What the hell?!

Why is half of this page a stub? What happened? 68.190.210.240 03:48, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Just a Thought

Since the heartless are like, always mass producing, does that mean that nobodies could be the same way, especially looking at all the dusks near the end of KH 2, so this got me wondering if there could be and other secret members of the Org. XIII. I mean XIII is just a number, besides,in the scene with Zexion and Xigbar gossiping about Xemnas, there was only 11 members but i believe it was still called Org. XIII yet they couldn't have absolutely known about Larxene and Roxas coming along. Unless Xemnas could see the future and saw his doom so he hid some members? Is it possible?

(Leviathan657 03:27, February 6, 2010 (UTC))

Nobodies in Birth by Sleep

Scene the heartless appear in Birth by Sleep, it must have been possible for nobodies to exist in this time period too; also their could be humanoid nobodies that pre-dated Xemnas (just throwing that out there)