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LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Well, with the bot's new profanity filter and the warning log up, it has come to attention that there are some words that ought to be filtered... and some words that ought not to be. The latter option is the one I'd like to focus on. These are a few words I think we shouldn't censor. crap ass And here are my reasons. "Crap" I think is pretty self-explanatory. Now, I'm not going to make it my main point that "tons of people say (insert bad word here)". It's just a bad argument. But seriously, lots of people do say crap. I was given an implied list of words I should not use when I was growing up, and crap was not on it. But "damn" was. Since "damn" is okay, I think that "crap" is a little over the top. Besides, the word is rarely used offensively. Unlike the next subject. "Ass" is tricky... but unless directly used offensively, I believe it should not be filtered. As DTN the ops point out, people can read context. That is a skill I believe should be necessary when it comes to the usage of this word, because "ass" has several meanings, and if you think about it, its offensive meaning isn't very offensive. Another point, media doesn't censor it. If anything would be censored, "asswhole" should be (and, when censored, it would be something like ass*****). The term shouldn't be used anyway, because it's not very nice. Point is, "ass" isn't a very bad word. Its varients are, and only in context can it be. Those are my thoughts. please post yours.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 00:48, July 19, 2010 (UTC) As pointed out here by BebopKate and Yuanchosaan, we want to filter the word "crap". Your argument of "everyone says 'crap'", which was still your main argument in my opinion, is appliable to all terms. You could just as easily say "everyone says 'shit'", does that make it acceptable? Of course not. Also, once case of parents allowing you to use certain language is certainly not helpful in these decisions. I can tell you that my parents did not let me say "crap". There are much more PG-rated terms we can use instead of this one. At the same time, though, I have seen the world "crap" used in a PG-rated film, but only very rarely. As for "ass", I thought this was the decision: when used offensively, it is warnable. When used to describe the animal, it is perfectly acceptable. I am glad that we agree there. Below are two examples of usage of the word "ass"; the former is acceptable, the latter is not. I once saw an ass at the zoo playing with the zebras! You are such an asshole!

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. DTN: Correction. YOu used the term "asshole", which is not the same as the term "ass". At least they register as different in my book. And, like I said, "crap" isn't easily used offensively. Try it sometime.

VoidCommanderExdeath - The memory's wiles can be cruel. In its silence, we forget. In its obsession, it binds our hearts. TALK - Your existence is worth nothing ! I fully agree that "crap" should be lifted. The other one I'm kind of divided about.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 01:01, July 19, 2010 (UTC) I think the word should be treated the same as its variants. For example, we treat "damn" and "damned" as the same, and we don't warn for using "hell" or "hellhole". Example of "ass" and "crap" used offensively: You are such an ass. Nobody gives an ass about you! I am going to kick your ass if you don't stop! Sit your ass down and be quiet! Nobody cares about your crap. I don't give a crap at all about you. You are worth no more than a crap. I hid some more explicit examples in the edit window. The point is that both can be used offensively.

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 01:03, July 19, 2010 (UTC)   This may be a silly way to think of it, but homestarrunner.com uses "crap", but not "damn" or "ass". Although I would like to keep "damn" or "ass" around (although, obviously, still warn-able depending on context), I would think of it as pretty ridiculous if they were allowed, but "crap" wasn't.

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Blackhearted Knight - I'm impressed with your best, nothing less. TALK - Blackhearted.Knight 01:14, July 19, 2010 (UTC) I'm honestly divide on this matter. Crap does have it's negative uses, just like any other word, but what differentiates the positive or neutral usage from the negative usage is context. Yeah, there's what DTN wrote down, and that's good thinking, but basing something off of only negative data without a proper field run is a little jumping the gun, don't you think? As for "ass", I'm not sure that word even has any positive uses, so keep it on there.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. After giving it some thought, and essentially reading your post, I can agree that "ass" can be filtered. But context must still be used when it is. And, personally, I've never seen any problems with the word on the IRC, so warnings should be distrubuted only if it's really serious. Unlike words like "shit" or "bitch", where dropping them is a serious no-no. As for crap, seriously. My point still stands. What the crap....? My day was crap-tastic, thanks. Oh, crap! I messed up! Crap... I have to go... Oh crap. Normally, crap is self directed. There are scenarios such as DTN's, but they're rare. And, as context points out, warning worthy. EDIT: Point is, just because words can be used offensively, doesn't mean they always will be. Context must always be put into play when it comes to these words, as, as it has been pointed out, they can be used offensively. But, lets face it, not always.

OathkeeperKH Kitty — 01:24, July 19, 2010 (UTC) UGH! I really don't understand why this fuss. Didn't you two make an agreement on the irc? Please belive me when I say I'm not taking sides, but I kind of agree with LegoAlchemist (about the crap thing). I mean I say crap all the time. Crap is not a "bad-word". Normally when people say crap that eitheir screwed something up or something like that. It's really not bad. When you think about it. People are suppose to be as poilte (maybe even as random) as they can on the IRC. That's how I think the OP's want it to be. But, must be controlled too. I'll stop myself before I get off-subject. On the other hand, I agree with DoorToNothing(about the ass thing). As you see above DTN gave some perfect explamples of how we shouldn't use the words. Like I said before, We are not suppose to be rude to people on the IRC. The rules say so. As a OP, DTN is just doing he's job in keeping order. Again as I said before, I'm not taking sides. But you have to stop and think about it. I know you probably didn't mean for the offensive LA and I know that your probably just tring to keep order DTN, but I just want compromise to be done.

The Sols - Why did the Keyblade choose me? I have to know. TALK - Who am I? I'm not even sure anymore. While this is only my opinion, I do not think the word "crap" should be on the profanity filter. Primarily due to the fact that its a MILD substitute for the word "shit". Also, let me add DTN, I was allowed to say crap so maybe thats just your parents being very strict. Also like LegoAlchemist said, it isn't used easily to insult someone else, and in the case that it is, I think the insulter should be warned/kicked for going out of his way to 'legally' insult someone, which, I believe, is a violation of the rules.(Can't recall which one to be specific) On the topic of the word "ass", I think it shouldn't be inprofanity filter also. Primarily because it can be used to refer to a donkey. But then if that is allowed I don't see why the term "badass" should be on the filter too. As far as I am aware, I don't think its possible to insult someone with the term. And most of the times its used as a compliment to express how epic you think someone/thing is. And even if it is used to insult someone, I think the ops have enough competency to determine that its an insult and effectively apply the correct punishment/reprimand.

Please don't add anything until I've finished EDIT 02:07, July 19, 2010 (UTC) : Now here's my food for thought : Bound to offend people, even minors, even if self-directed ? Don't say it. Known to be a bad word ? Don't say it. Pun of a bad word ? Don't say it. Now even BK has used the light expletive beginning with C a few times, and I've allowed it because I don't find it particularly offensive. Some people even escape the swear filter by respelling it as "carp", which I admit I find rather hilarious. ^_^' If a person speaks in a way we're offended with, it's on us to take the first step and say, "Please watch your language", but if he insists on going on with it, then and only then we slap the first warning. Most importantly, how would we speak in front of people of different kinds ? Note that there are also adults who abstain from profanity. (Hint hint.) Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:04, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

KrytenKoro - "Hurricane beats all housing or apartments. This sucker is a Cat-6!" TALK - If we're going to keep the profanity filter, they should both stay in. This isn't rocket science people, and it's not like you'll die if you don't say the words. However, the sentiment behind this forum is a big argument for just getting rid of the filter: it's treated as a toy, or like some narrow-sighted guard in a video game, and you people act like it's okay to say anything inappropriate, as long as the filter doesn't specifically catch it. That is, to say the least, extremely disappointing. It's supposed to be a guideline to encourage you guys to act mature, but you people can't seem to grasp that.