Forum:IRC Profanity Filter - again

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LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. It has come to my attention that there are some on the IRC that think the Profanity filter should be taken down. By the Profanity filter, I'm referring to the policing of the use of bad words, and how one can get in trouble for using one. Of course, the immediate response is "Children have access to the IRC channel, and we don't want to take responsibility if they get in trouble for using a bad word." This got a few people thinking: How many children actually come to the IRC? We keep on preaching about how non-PG related things could "offend" others, but so far, the only problems I'm seeing are arguments about the enforcement of this. There have been so many disputes over this, I want to end this once and for all. For start, I'd like to get people's honest opinions about Profanity in the poll directly below this bubble. I want to know how many people think it is bad. Now, as for the poll below the first poll, don't get the wrong idea. It is fully understandable if you don't want to reveal your real age, and you don't have to participate. And, if you will vote in the poll, please post an honest response. Now, the reason why I do this is to learn how many "youngins" are actually on the channel, because there is no sense stopping what people want to do if there is no one to "taint". That's right, this forum is dedicated to either the weakening, or the strengthening, of the profanity filter.

<poll> Does swearing offend you? I could cuss all day! Only if it's directly used in offense. It doesn't offend me. I'm in the middle ground... It offends me, and I don't want to hear it at all. </poll> <poll> What is your current age range? Older than 13 Younger than 13 </poll>

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LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Feel free to post your opinions below here.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 23:35, August 20, 2010 (UTC) Opinion: Polls solve nothing. They do not form consensus. A decision supported by the consensus and agreement of the community is not all related to a poll.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Thanks for your opinion. It's actually not about making a decision, this is purely of curiosity. If the poll results lean on a descision that is needed to be made, then it can be dealt with then. The polls we're the only way to keep it anonymous for those who don't want to reveal their real age.

Oh,how the sea calls - Cuttlefish. Eh? Let us not, dear friends, forget our dear friends, the cuttlefish. TALK - 20:48, August 1, 2010 (UTC) You make much sense, I am behind you one hundred percent, but there's not much we can do.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 16:49, August 21, 2010 (UTC) Quite frankly, I think that every regular user under the age of thirteen on the IRC Channel had identified themselves as such. If they have already identified themselves there, and this forum is based on the IRC, they should have no problem telling us that on this forum. If not, they evidently do not care enough about the issue to give their two cents, since it would require them to, yes, do the simple act of repeating what they have already announced. Also, your approach to the issue is essentially that the non-PG rule is upseting you and other unnamed, unconfirmed users that we have no evidence of being real or not. Since you cannot find a solution to the problem, you immediately decide that we should open the option to just get rid of that rule, so that it works better for you and the possibly unreal people. By the creation of this forum about a topic related to possibly removing the non-PG rule and the profanity filter, it is pretty obvious that you wish for this to happen, if the decision was up to you. To continue, this approach says of you that you cannot solve the problem, so let's just get rid of it. That is, in all seriousness, absolutely ridiculous. If you cannot solve the issue, the solution is not to just get rid of it. That just pushes the problem away and solves nothing; one or more of the involved parties will not be satisified.

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. Interesting theory. Incorrect, but interesting. Well thought out. You're attempting to read my actions and justify them in your own way. That's a very clever way to break someone down psychologically. Unfortunately, your attempt failed, and I am not thwarted. I am not going to rave and rant about how hypocritical you are being right now. Instead, I have the following thing to say: What's your point? That is simply a list of reasons against me, and, frankly, that is not helping anything. You have only gone down to the same low everyone on the IRC had escalated too. What a great example to set. Good day.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 22:34, August 21, 2010 (UTC) I do not see how I am justifying your actions since I do not approve of them at all. Second, on the subject of being hypocritical, the IRC Channel should be shut down. There is actually identifiable support for the action to be done, much unlike here, though not entirely. In addition, there is another solution to the problems the IRC Channel has been experiencing that I also thought of rather than just shutting it down. Did anyone ever bother to listen to it or consider it? No, the idea was cast off quickly. I assumed this meant that there was already disappoval by the IRC community, much like every other action I attempted to make on the IRC before I finally realized it was time for me to leave. So, it ended there, and now I just support the more likely action of lighting the channel up. To continue, you are being hypocritical yourself by claiming that listing things against another user do not help anyone. Your last paragraph is obviously against me, how does that solve a single thing? You also blanked out an insult to me so as to speak your mind, as well as to not seem hypocritical. "That is about the funniest joke I've heard all day. There are several possibilities to explore when it comes to fixing the channel, and simply deleting it is cowardly. At least I'm conducting a bit of research as to why the Profanity Filter could be removed, but, frankly, it's leaning the other way." To take a word from your own book, "Unfortunately, your attempt failed, and I am not thwarted."

LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids? TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you. I see. Well, I thought I'd be polite and not point out your hidden message, and, to be honest, my hidden message was in direct response to yours. I apologize that it was taken the wrong way. I can't tell if you are going against the Forum - which doesn't make sense, as you don't come to the IRC anymore - or if you are going against me. Does it bother you that I made the Forum? I can give you those "seemingly nonexistant users" any time. If this is personal, take it somewhere else. I am sick of having to deal with you all the time, DTN. If it is personal, I'm sorry. I know what it was, I remember, and I'm regretful toward it. I don't like being mean. I will even admit it out loud, as opposed to just hiding it in a hidden message where only editors can read it. On the other hand, I would be happy to hear any idea of yours that would contribute to the benefit of the channel. I noticed that the channel has quieted considerably, and I now believe that it was just summer chaos that brought the channel down. So I don't think anymore action is necessary. But, by all means, let me know. I wasn't aware that you had an idea, and if I was before, then I forgot. Sorry. And I also apologize for the way the channel treated you before. You did not deserve it. You were only doing your job as the only channel operator present. I understand that a post like that is stressful at times. I'm not asking you to come back, only that I wish to convey an apology for past misdoings, and gratitude for all that you've done.

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 23:29, August 21, 2010 (UTC) I am not going against you personally; even though I have left the IRC, I am still entitled to have an opinion on its issues. I am attempting to make sure the channel does not make an action is just going to lead to its quicker demise. True, I want the channel gone, but I am not one to support an action that will only further destroy it. I will let its own nature do that. Also, on the subject of a personal conflict, I have no issue admitting that you were one of the users who contributed to my departure. However, virtually every user who regularly visits the Kingdom Hearts Wiki's IRC caused it, so do not feel like it is your fault entirely, or even significantly. What does offend and confuse me, though, is you saying that you are sick of dealing with me. I do not see how this is possible, since I have been away from the IRC for what has felt like months, and I have not been as active on the wiki as I usually am either. Therefore, I fail to understand how you have to "deal with me all the time." My idea involves moving the channel to a different channel and then destroying #wikia-kingdomhearts. I have accepted that some of the issues of the IRC are natural, though we have lost control over these actions. My main concern is for the users and for the reputation of the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. Therefore, my plan is to move the channel to a new channel that is not at all affiliated with the Kingdom Hearts Wiki. That way, the young'ins can keep their channel, and the channel's community can no longer shame the wiki. In fact, rules may even be able to be abolished if this was to happen. Thank you for your apology.