Talk:Universe of Kingdom Hearts

Dan - My friends are my power! Hi, I just noticed this whilst browsing, but the visual representation of the worlds and their position in the Realms doesn't correspond with the written information: - The written info. states that Traverse Town is in the Realm of In-Between, where the visual representation shows it in the Plane of Light. - The written info. states that Twilight Town lies directly in the middle of the Realm of In-Between, where the visual representation shows it far closer to the Plane of Light. I don't know whether I have the right to remove the image, if that's the problem, or to edit the text, if that's the problem. It was just a bit confusing, hope it gets sorted somehow ^_^ Evidence from the article:

Quote:

"Realm of In Between

The Realm of In Between (or the Realm of Twilight) is the third Plane of Existence in the Kingdom Hearts series, and lies between the Realm of Light and Realm of Darkness. Thus far the only known Worlds to exist in this plane are: Traverse Town, Castle Oblivion, Twilight Town and The World that Never Was. Each world tied closer to the Realm of Light or the Realm of Darkness, with the exception of Twilight Town, which exists exactly in the middle. Yen Sid's Tower also exists in this Realm."

And then there's the image:

File:Worlds.PNG

Dan da Man36 17:53, September 26, 2009 (UTC)

Guardian Soul Talk. — Don't I even warrant a hello? It's such a shame. The Organization used to be the rope that bound us together. - 17:56, September 26, 2009 (UTC) That's a custom image that doesn't really look very professional. Some of the sprites aren't official either, so I'm deleting it.

the meridian's actual name is dark margin. that's the cutscene in days and the name it has when you use a cheat. I screwed that one up, my bad.

So about the dark corridors...

Webuiltthecross Talk with me! — "Go on just keep on running, but I'll always be there to bring you back!" You can't turn on the Organization! You get on their bad side and they'll destroy you! — 02:47, October 24, 2009 (UTC) Can anyone in the Organization, specifically Roxas, create them?

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? They'd have to, to get to Where Nothing Gathers.

Webuiltthecross Talk with me! — "Go on just keep on running, but I'll always be there to bring you back!" You can't turn on the Organization! You get on their bad side and they'll destroy you! — 18:28, November 29, 2009 (UTC) So then in Days, why doesn't Roxas just use the Dark Corridors to escape the Castle That Never Was?

Maybe the other members can detect the dark corridors use in the castle since he did went to twilight town once he was out.--Masgrande 07:29, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Wonderland Portal

Should we mention Alice from Wonderland? When talking to her in Kingdom Hearts, she mentions she arrived in Wonderland after falling through a hole. This lead Sora to theorize that there are "other methods of inter-world travel besides Gummi ships". This could mean that some Worlds have portals to other worlds in specific locations, either naturally-occuring wormholes or rifts resulting from spatial distortion or disruption.

That last theory doesn't really need to be included, since it has no canon basis. But maybe we should mention that Alice got to Wonderland through a portal from her own world.

--Cyberweasel89 18:08, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah it's just like the Underworld, it's a different world inside another.--Masgrande 07:32, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

renders

Kingdom Hearts Fan TALK - It was the natural thing to do... why is it so hard to find the actual renders to all of these worlds!!! GRRR

Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days party members?

Yumekai627 - Then I shall make you see... That your hopes are nothing! Nothing but a mere illusion! TALK - You brought this upon yourself! should we add a section for them? Although they really aren't native to the worlds they are important none the less

BigHeadZack - You shouldn't judge anyone by appearance. TALK - If the subject fails to respond, use aggression to liberate his true disposition. Well, are you refering to the Organization Members for each missionn or....)

Strange senetnce

Sayin that the Realm of Nothingness is the fourth Plane of Existence is strange (and paradoxical). If it's the Realm of Nothingness is the realm of non-existence. That sentence should be removed.Redeemer & Destroyer 00:00, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Done.--Lapis ofthe Night 00:04, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sperate Articles

Why can't Realm of Light, Dark Margin, and etc can't had their own articles? --Cococrash11 07:46, January 23, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

I think they did at one point, but I don't know why they were merged. I can only assume the articles weren't good enough on their own.--Lapis ofthe Night 05:36, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

More on the Corridors of Darkness

I'm not sure if I'd be penalised for putting it straight into the article, but from what I've witnessed, MX and Vanitas were the first to use the Corridors of Darkness - chronologically. Shouldn't that be put in ? ★ Joyeux Wikiversaire ! ★ 04:47, February 8, 2010 (UTC)

Dark Meridian vs. Margin

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 18:53, February 19, 2010 (UTC) Was the name "Dark Meridian" ever officialised? I was going to change this to "Dark Margin" wherever it appeared in the article, since the name appeared in a Days cutscene, but since our policy states not to change to Days renamings, I'm a bit hesitant...

Santa Claus

Iluvcinderella Listen and talk to my light-filled heart... — "Why, its like a dream. A wonderful dream come true!" Bibbidi, Bobbidi, Boo! — 00:39, May 11, 2010 (UTC) ok we believe in the "real world" that Santa Claus gives gifts around our globe by riding his sleigh, so I thought maybe Santa in the "Kingdom Hearts universe" gives his wonderful gifts in his sleigh into different worlds....and to get to the point, maybe Santa's sleigh is another mode of transportation to get to other worlds aside from gummi ships.....

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Makes sense to me. On the topic of the Nightmare Before Christmas and the Universe of Kingdom Hearts: The worlds could never totally be sealed off from one another because Halloween Town, Christmas Town, and the rest of the Holidays are all connected by the doors in the wilderness. Sort of like a System of Worlds... A World System instead of a Solar one, I suppose.

Neutral Areas

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Are there any areas that are neutral in the sense that they aren't a part of ANY of the four realms? Like Betwixt and Between or the Awakening?

Apart from Betwixt and the Awakening, I doubt there are anymore areas... The rest belong to their respective worlds, as I'm aware. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne — 02:45, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Nitrous X Talk! — Then I shall make you see...That your hopes are nothing. Nothing but a mere illusion! Don't I even warrant a hello, Lexaeus? Okay, thanks!

Who is the Ruler of each world?

Organization 13 - I'd rather we just skip the formalities. TALK - How I love a game! Who is the ruler of each world? I know a couple like Tron, Jack Skellignton and the Emperor but what about the rest?

I guess the current ruler/leaders are:

• Mayor (Destiny Islands)
• King Mickey (Disney Castle/Disney Town/Timeless River)
• N/A (Traverse Town)
• Queen of Hearts (Wonderland)
• Zeus (Olympus Coliseum)
• Kerchak (Deep Jungle)
• Sultan (Agrabah)
• Mayor (Halloween Town)
• Monstro (Monstro)
• King Triton (Atlantica)
• Peter Pan & Captain Hook (Neverland & Hook's Ship)
• Hollow Bastion Restoration Committee (Radiant Garden)
• ??? (Twilight Town)
• Aqua (Castle Oblivion)
• The Emperor (The Land of Dragons)
• Beast (Beast's Castle)
• Governor Swann (Port Royal)
• TRON (Space Paranoids)
• Yen Sid (Mysterious Tower)
• The Prince + Snow White (Dwarf Woodlands)
• Prince Philip + Aurora (Enchanted Dominion)
• Prince Charming + Cinderella (Castle of Dreams)
• Grand Councilwoman (Deep Space)

Not listing the destroyed worlds (End of the World, The World That Never Was, Keyblade Graveyard (?)).

Iluvcinderella Listen and talk to my light-filled heart... — "Why, its like a dream. A wonderful dream come true!" Bibbidi, Bobbidi, Boo! — 01:44, June 7, 2010 (UTC) umm I don't like to argue guys but from what i think it's Ansem the Wise that is the ruler of Radaint Garden and the HBRC are only temporary leaders until Ansem gets back.

Even if Ansem comes back, he not only allowed the world to fail in the first place, but has also been mind-broken.Glorious CHAOS! 04:54, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Iluvcinderella Listen and talk to my light-filled heart... — "Why, its like a dream. A wonderful dream come true!" Bibbidi, Bobbidi, Boo! — 01:19, June 8, 2010 (UTC) but still, in MY OPINION HBRC are only protectors and not leaders.

That is usually what a leader is, yes.Glorious CHAOS! 03:02, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Iluvcinderella Listen and talk to my light-filled heart... — "Why, its like a dream. A wonderful dream come true!" Bibbidi, Bobbidi, Boo! — 05:20, June 8, 2010 (UTC) In the worlds dwarf woodlands, enchanted dominion and castle of dreams, the rulers are evil queen, king stefan/queen leah,the king(dunno the name) and the respective prince and princesses in the mention worlds are not the rulers (i think....)

Aren't they pretty well dead by the end of the story, though? I thought part of the reason for the Cinderella ball, at least, was because the prince was taking the throne. If not, then fine, it's still their parents.Glorious CHAOS! 15:15, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

World Time

Okay so i'm getting this theory about the worlds and i won't you people to tell me what you think. So here it goes:

In Kingdom Hearts 2, Selphie and Kairi were seen in school clothes,implying that they are in a school year. But while this was going on, Hayner, Pence, and Olette were in their last days of summer vacation. So i've been thinking that maybe all of the worlds have a different time zone, or maybe time goes faster in some worlds. It's been bugging me for days and i would like to know if there are some speculations that this could be true?--65.126.114.244 00:23, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Or, the Destiny Islands are a southern-hemisphere type of world (close to the equator, though), and Twilight Town is a northern-hemisphere type.Glorious CHAOS! 01:55, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

or at destiny islands school had just started

Realms

Okay I'm confused the article states that worlds such as Twilight Town exist in the realm of nothingness, and that it's Japanese name is the realm of in between, but that doesn't make sence. In ENGLISH text Ansem the Wise said in his Secret Reports that he was banished to the realm of nothingness. Also when he first talks about Castle Oblivion, he describes it as a "world on the outer limits of light and darkness" NOT as a world in the realm of nothingness but in a forth realm all together. He also says that when a Heartless is born the old entity, their body and soul, disapears and arrives in a completely different realm, and describes Twilight Town as a world in the "chasm between light and darkness" AFTER he left the realm of nothingess. Also Pete, when in The World That Never Was, he says "this in between world" So what happened? Also the earlier parts of the article states that there are four realms also. 76.108.136.28 01:55, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

The japanese-only Ansem Reports from Final Mix specifically state that there is just "this present realm, the realm of light", "the realm of darkness", and "realm of in-between". "In-Between" is the term used in Japanese material where "nothingness" is used in English (Ex: Xemnas is "Superior of the In-Between", and his element is Nothingness). Nomura even said that The World That Never Was was part of the realm of in-between, and that's the world Ansem seems to be talking about in the Secret Ansem Reports. The two terms are never used together in the same material - it is purely a difference in translation, not in meaning.03:06, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't change the facts that in the ENGLISH secret ansem reports that Ansem the Wise writes about 4 realms, one of light one of darkness, one of nothingness, and a fourth realm that he mentions as being in between light and darkness clearly stating that in english the realms of in between and nothingness are different things. Another thing he states is that he first arrives in Twilight Town he describes it as a world in the "chasm between light and darkness" which is after he escapes his banishment to the realm of nothingness. He also states that the realm of nothingness as a place "where all existence has disintegrated", so how then can a world such as Twilight Town exist there, and again I bring up Pete who calls The World That Never Was an "in between world." That says that in English there are 4 realms and the last time I checked this is an English Wiki. 76.108.136.28 15:38, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Pea14733 Freeze! — 15:53, September 12, 2010 (UTC) Well, I think it's a FAIL here....

...no, he never writes about four realms. He describes the realm of nothingness in more detail, is what he did. Seriously, he never states, concretely, "realm of in-between" and "realm of nothingness" - they are simply two different translations for the same thing.

Also, seriously? Just because it's the English Wiki doesn't mean we can't look at the original material and say "Oh, it's the same thing. The translators just goofed/we aren't reading it correctly."Glorious CHAOS! 06:17, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

He states that the realm of nothingness is something "where all existence has disintegrated" as I've mentioned earlier. I don't see how a world can exist at all. He also says that Twilight Town is in the chasm "between light and darkness" when did he ever describe the realm of nothingness as such. Also in the Secret Ansem Report 6 while he is still in the realm of nothingness he states that when a Nobody is created it disapeares from the realm of light and appear in a completely different realm he never says that they appear in the realm he was currently in. Also in the 6th he mentions for the first time the corridors of darkness which he says "connect the realm of nothingness with the outside world," the other realms. Later in the 7th is the first time he mentions Twilight Town and Castle Oblivion, worlds between light and darkness and by this time he would have already escaped the realm of nothingness using the dark corridors as he mentions in the previous one he stats using a new identity, DiZ, before returning to the realm of light. After that point he never mentions the realm of nothingness again, but also begins to describe a new realm situated between light and darkness, which he refers to in his 11th report as the "realm between". The only time the two realms are mentioned together is in his 6th report, where he refers to the two places as two different areas.76.108.136.28 19:38, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Also Ansem the Wise describes the "realm between" as unstabe and that corridors of darkness appear from time to time, but in the realm of nothingness he didn't know the corridors existed until he accepted the darkness and started to use it. If the two realms were indeed the same wouldn't he have noticed them appearing while he was trapped. And wouldn't he have noticed the existence of Twilight Town, Traverse Town, Castle Oblivion, and The World That Never Was before he returned.76.108.136.28 20:11, September 13, 2010 (UTC)