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OPERATION: KEYCHAIN
I. THE GREATER WIKI	II. CONTENT	III. VIDEO	IV. COMMUNITY
V. SITE MAINTENANCE AND ADMINISTRATION	VI. AFFILIATIONS	VII. SOCIAL MEDIA	VIII. WIKI ALLIANCE FOR RESPONSIBLE EDITING (WAFRE)
Operation: Keychain - OneDrive		Operation: Keychain - Google Drive

The Kingdom Hearts Wiki, The Keyhole, and the Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki are both apart of a larger organization currently known as "The Greater Wiki". That is, they serve as components of this larger wiki. In the past, this "Greater Wiki" has never been truly acknowledged, but it is under Operation: Keychain. The three wikis work as a part of one “larger” wiki to document the many aspects of the Kingdom Hearts series.

THE GREATER WIKI

The content here applies to the entire Greater Wiki as an entity, as well as things that can be done on all three wikis.

Nature

1. What is the nature of the three wikis (khwiki.com, kingdomhearts.wikia.com, and kingdomheartsfanon.wikia.com)?
   1. Promote the aims and goals of each community
   2. The three wikis work as a part of one “larger” wiki to document the many aspects of the Kingdom Hearts series.

Name

1. We need a name for “the greater wiki” and, if we use the Kingdom Hearts Wiki for the greater wiki, we need a name for the site at khwiki.com.

How can we unify and better our relationship?

1. Expand About pages on all three wikis to cover the history of each wiki.
2. Inter-wiki recognition/linking/advertising
3. Encourage cross editing
4. More joint projects/events, like the Magazine, Podcast, User Trivia, etc.

Expansion

1. Kingdom Hearts Answers
2. Kingdom Hearts Wiki (French, Spanish, German)
3. More than just wikis?

Community

1. Actively engage/promote the communities (How?)

Kingdom Hearts Wiki

Nature

1. The Kingdom Hearts Wiki is the Greater Wiki's professional, encyclopedic wiki on the Kingdom Hearts games and merchandise.

How can we unify and better our relationship?

1. Advertise projects from The Keyhole at the Kingdom Hearts Wiki
2. More joint projects/events, like the Magazine, Podcast, User Trivia, etc.

The Keyhole

Nature

1. Identify The Keyhole's purpose

How can we unify and better our relationship?

1. Advertise projects from The Keyhole at the Kingdom Hearts Wiki
2. More joint projects/events, like the Magazine, Podcast, User Trivia, etc.
3. Increase cross-editing between the Kingdom Hearts Wiki and The Keyhole.

Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki

Nature

1. The Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki is the Greater Wiki's site for hosting/promoting/documenting Kingdom Hearts fanon, including fanfictions, art, etc.

How can we unify and better our relationship?

1. Advertise the Kingdom Hearts Fanon Wiki
2. Join Projects

Discussion

Purpose of The Keyhole

BEFORE YOU DISCUSS: Due to the nature of the discussion during today's Roundtable, there are a couple things I, KeybladeSpyMaster, need to warn you of.

1. Seriously, anyone starts coming off as a jerk, rude, etc., and will result in an immediate Warning. It's really not necessary. This is a wiki. We really don't need to be rude, because at the end, it's a website. None of us are making a living off of it to be so darn angry. This applies to me, too. If you guys think I need to go, I'll go take a break for a day. But we don't need the rudeness. It gets us no where.
2. Ultimately, we can't expect the most perfect idea where no one suffers. One wiki will have to most likely suffer something. It's the nature of the discussion. What we are looking for is a solution that will allow for us to grow together with the least amount of suffering and problems for either wiki.
3. We're open to all ideas, seriously. Throw your best shot, we'll consider it.

KeybladeSpyMaster - This is not happening. It can't be happening. It can't. TALK - There are some fights that are destined to be lost... - 07:52 PM Fri, January 2, 2015 MST Guys, I need to take the moment to apologize for what happened at the Roundtable this afternoon. I couldn't have imagined that this issue would suffer so much backlash and problems. It was not my intention to cause such anger and tension. The sole issue of The Keyhole's purpose took a whole hour and a half, and we didn't get anywhere because of the tension. For that, I apologize. I brought this issue up, so I take the blame. I only hope we can have a more decent and swift discussion here so that we can solve the issue and move on to the purpose of Operation: Keychain, which is to strengthen, unify, and grow the community and wikis. Having said, that, go, discuss!

I don't think you made anyone, mad, I surely don't think anyone was mad either. Anyways, I say Keyhole social, and KHWiki serious stuff. Any objections? — 02:56, 3 January 2015 (UTC) RikutheBloody

Eternal Nothingness XIII Organization XIII has no further use for you... Just look there. Our Kingdom Hearts... Thanks to you, we've collected countless hearts... Can you hear their euphoria? — 03:28, 3 January 2015 (UTC) I'm still in agreement with your suggestion from earlier, KSM. I'm all in favor of what RikutheBloody said, too. The idea of the Keyhole being a "nice place where we can all go and hang out after working on KHWiki.com all day" has great appeal to me.

MateusinhoEX - King of Beasts sighted!— 15:46, 3 January 2015 (UTC) Well, as I stated yesterday, I also agree with the idea of The Keyhole focusing on social things. Like it was said, we were trying to find a purpose for the Keyhole. If both us and them would have exactly the same content, there would not be any reason to not merge both. Then, something must be different. Since it's very clear that here at the KHWiki we focus on making all articles the most canon, detailed, professional and reliable as possible, and that in The Keyhole there are much more social content (which has started appearing here just now), that should be their purpose. As ENX stated, we are like Ventus and Vanitas. Two different parts of the same thing. But it's very important to note that I agree with Xion4ever that NONE content must be split. Spliting content making people jump from one wiki to the other is not the way. Instead, one will just have more of one thing than the other. For example, a Game namespace page. Here on the wiki we will have one detailed strategy on how to beat Xehanort, let's say. In the talk page, we will discuss about the content in the page, wrong information, missing information and things like that. But if someone wants to ask "Hey, do you have a strategy for beating him in level 1?", the place for that kind of discussion would be on The Keyhole. At the same time, an article about Sora in The Keyhole wouldn't be blank with a link to the wiki. It would just not NEED to have the information in the same detailed way as the KHWiki has. The pages on the Keyhole don't need to have all those data, stats, templates and infobox we have here. Just the most important info. The KHWiki would also have the links (or even copies in a Community namespace, maybe) of all the pages related to social things, such as Podcast, Magazine, Mirage Arena, which would be hosted at The Keyhole.

Pea14733 Listen up, Phones. The world ends with you. If you want to enjoy life, expand your world. You gotta push your horizons out as far as they'll go — 15:58, 3 January 2015 (UTC) Why are we deciding the Keyhole's fate with just us?

TheFifteenthMember Yes. You're creepy. I can't say we'll miss you while you're gone, so it'd be best if you did go. We all win that way. — TheFifteenthMember 16:04, 3 January 2015 (UTC) I have an idea that I'll share. It involves the KHWiki, The Keyhole, the Fanon Wiki, and the KH Answers Wiki (which no one has brought up yet). In this vision, "The Greater Wiki" is more or less an organisation of Wikis related to KH with each having a separate purpose so our visitors come in and pick the Wiki that best suits what they're looking for at the time. Each Wiki will have their own niche in The Greater Wiki and each Wiki will link to each other so traffic is cross-directed. The KHWiki would be the encyclopedia or information Wiki. Essentially, it will continue to run as it does now, aiming to cover every aspect of the Kingdom Hearts franchise (manga, songs and all) in the most professional manner possible. Everything will be based on official material. Content will not be split or shunted, as some people worried about that yesterday. The Keyhole would be the discussion or community Wiki. I use "community" here because in the past, we've been using words like the "fandom" or "fan-friendly" wiki but that's given it the wrong impression which isn't fair. The Keyhole would still have content in its mainspace, but it will be of a lower detail and its purpose would be to encourage discussion. For example, most stats/technical/gameplay information is to be omitted, meaning that items/commands/abilities would be covered in lists, unless they are staples of the series that hold a lot of meaning to the fans (e.g. Fire and the magic spells). I'd like strategy sections and walkthroughs to be heavily emphasised there, since they are opinion-based instead of factual, meaning that it has the potential to start a lot more discussion. The Keyhole are able to go past the "official cage" that the KHWiki is stuck in and go beyond the series. Their Heartless page has an "In Fandom" section discussing Cosplay, which I found rather interesting. If they can expand to talk about all details pertaining to that of the KH community (aka KH fans), they'd have a lot of conversation topics to make articles out of (e.g. Dead Fantasy, KH and creepypastas, real life people, prominent theories perhaps etc.), all of which contribute to the Keyhole's purpose of discussion and conversation. In short, their mainspace will not be redundant, useless or seen as "inferior". Then, outside of editing, they'd also have forums, community events and the like. The fanon wiki would be for fanon (surprise, surprise). That includes fanfics, fanart etc. They pretty much go about business as they do now. The KH Answers Wiki is for Q&A, a help desk essentially. It's mostly dead but it still gets about an edit a day so it's not a lost cause. I remember from affiliating with them that they only have one admin left and he is on the verge of inactivity, so I don't think they'd mind joining The Greater Wiki. If we give the wiki a new coat of paint, set a few formats/standards, and keep on eye on it, I think it will serve as some use to people. There's also the language wikis that we need to consider (French, German, Spanish). How do they fit into the Greater Wiki? And that's the end of my plan. @Pea: The Keyholians are welcome to participate in discussion here. We are simply sharing our thoughts and ideas.

Let me tell you guys a story… Once upon a time there was this database, about a video game series called Kingdom Hearts, that existed through a group known as “Wikia.” The website started off very slowly with only a small group of editors actively working the site, establishing rules, articles- all kinds of things. Apologies to any of our friends both here/there/at the FFWiki in case I missed some, which I'm sure I did… These editors worked hard and the site's popularity grew, increasing both the encyclopedia's content and userbase. These users started editing, each contributing to the Wikia in their own way. And so the Wiki grew, with each year bringing more users and information. The encyclopedia thrived. However, it also had its own share of problems. Despite all the challenges and problems they faced, the encyclopedia continued to expand on all accounts. Being a Wikia, users come and go; policies change according to the current consensus; and new features are introduced and accepted or refused. The Wikia had been used to change- it is a part of life- but there was one change that was the “straw that broke the camel's back.” And so we went through this process known as “the split”, and not long after, “the merge.” Here's some of the forums you guys can read if you want to get some ideas about the split and merge: 1, 2, 3, 4. If any of this strikes your interest, check out the old forum archives. I think we've about had it with the history lesson. ^_^; I reference our history to the best of my knowledge as a means of catch-up for you guys- a lot of you don't know about “the old place.” I reference our about page in that if we disapprove of what it says then we should rewrite it, which I think is posted as a point in Operation: Keychain anyways. Before I continue…a disclaimer! I do not know everything. I don't recall ever saying that I did and I never will. Nor do I have a solution to everything. My intentions are not meant to cause ill-will or to hurt someone's feelings. I like all you guys and gals, our “partners in crime”/colleagues, that make this place, “the Greater KH Wiki,” no matter where we are: the Keyhole, khwiki.com, the KH Fanon Wiki, and anywhere else we have people editing, the best damn source for KH information. Yes, even our anons and users-that-create-accounts-but-don't-edit-or-say-anything- for they're helping out as well! That said, if I overstep my boundaries as a person, an editor, and especially as a staff member, I'll accept whatever repercussions/punishments I deserve. Straight up. Oh, and everyone deserves to speak on this freely and openly- without threat of being run over by others or to have the fear of not being heard. Speak. Discuss. Let us know what you think. We're not mind readers or professional charade players- spell it out for us. The day we stop letting people at least voice their ideas and opinions is the day we should lock this place up and just leave. Also, if anyone was expecting this to be solved in a day- no, even a week- I'm sorry, but it will take time just to get everyone to comment on the idea. ^_^; I want this Operation to move along just as much as you guys, but we can't rush it or make hasty decisions just because we're impatient/want to move on/are tired of it/whatever the reason may be. We have to think this through completely and thoroughly. Again, I don't promise to have the solution or answers to everything, but I know this much: When you take away something- be it a little bit, a majority, or especially in its entirety- from something/someone, that's not cool/good. I mean shoot, what would you say is the Keyhole's biggest strength? If you asked me, I'd say their community. If you asked me that question for khwiki.com I would say our articles. Without a doubt. Hands down. First response. And look where that's gotten both sites? Having one site social and one site business isn't a good idea, in my book. Khwiki.com desires more community [social], while the Keyhole desires more content [business]. It's almost funny how we're chasing after things the other has. Splitting content- even the novels/manga/other things that were discussed at the Roundtable- isn't going to solve this problem. Using lists as a means of providing information isn't necessarily good either. Is that not what we're currently using now? Now, I'll be quite honest here, guys. We can list hundred of solutions and means of actions, but if the problem (in this case, the purpose) isn't clearly stated/agreed upon it's not going to do us any good. I think we've jumped into this too quickly and without the appropriate research. I ask everyone to ask themselves this: What do I want the Keyhole to be? On an old forum it came to our attention that the initial decision to have the Wikia become a fansite was rejected due to some users. Instead, said users decided to continue having the Wikia remain a KH encyclopedia. I'm assuming now that what was said on the forum no longer reflects what the current [active] users of the Keyhole would say. Right or wrong, Keyhole people? So, I asked some people at the Keyhole the question I asked you guys: “What do you want the Keyhole to be?” The results have been summarized below. Notice: Usernames have been removed in order to “protect” the individuals. Should the individuals feel like identifying themselves on here, they may do so by their own choosing. Also, if anyone starts bashing any users for their comments below, punishment will swiftly follow. We can talk and even debate against one another without getting nasty. User 1 [17:57] Yano, I was thinking about that question when you answered it. [17:57] And, sadly, I couldnt really think of an answer [17:58] What I know is that what I love about the Keyhole is its community [17:58] We're small, but I never feel short for conversation or fun [17:58] What I miss about the Keyhole is the lack of editing opportunites. [17:59] The only thing we really have to do is make lists. I dont really like doing that, so I dont edit much. [17:59] I want to retain our community, but open us up to more editing opportunities, without robbing opportunities for KHWiki. [18:00] That's kind of my thoughts on the matter User 2 [13:35] I know this won't be very helpful, but I find it difficult to answer that. I mean, I've put some hard work into things on that wiki, so for it to be demoted to being a 'social site' completely eradicates that hard work. [13:36] I know what I don't want it to be, but there being two wikis makes it difficult for me to say what I "want" it to be. Personally, I'm happy with the two wikis, and the way they work, as they are. Our collaborations have been great, and I don't see the need to change anything. [13:45] Yes, increased traffic would be great, and I'd wholly support something involving that heh... [13:45] <Xion4ever> So, you see/want the Keyhole to be what it is? What exactly is that? What purpose do you see the Keyhole having? [13:47] I feel at home there. The atmosphere is relaxed; I get along with everyone, yet at the same time, I'm able to help out with articles and other things... When I used to search for KH info, it'd be The Keyhole that I went to, and now that I edit there, I still use it. [13:47] Purpose... hmmmm... [13:47] It's a wiki. ^^ [13:47] Wikis are to provide information [13:47] <Xion4ever> So you see it being a Wiki just like khwiki.com, over at wikia? [13:48] Yes, a fan-oriented wiki with properly-written articles and a homely atmosphere. User 3 [19:20] well since [User] has gotten "out of the wiki work" for some time...[User] kinda wants it to be a social place at the very most... [19:21] with more traffic (maybe...but we can't control that) [19:22] <Xion4ever> So, you think just a social site then? [19:22] with the info "majority/minor" still there [19:23] however [User] doens't think [User] is the best person for this question as [User] has changed from KH stuff to anime for the most part sorry >_> [19:23] just honestly saying [19:24] <Xion4ever> I completely understand. I wasn't necessarily looking for anything, but wanted to see what the users at the Keyhole had to say on that question. [19:24] kk [19:24] <Xion4ever> Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it. ^_^ [19:25] [User] would hope to go back before the entire merge so that [User] could do something, but now, [User] is kinda ok with the entire social aspects of the entire Keyhole [19:25] kk...thx [19:25] <Xion4ever> We're still figuring this out. Nothing has been decided yet. User 4 [18:11] I would love it to become the best Kingdom Hearts site known to the internet. But that's unlikely, [18:12] so I'll settle for something greater then what we currently have [18:13] <Xion4ever> Are you saying it cannot become the best KH site because of khwiki.com or the split/merge? [18:14] not what I'm saying [18:15] I'm saying that sites like KH13 and KHInsider out do us, and people always seem to run to them. So, that's all I've gathered from a few users at the Keyhole...As for what I think. Truth be told, I don't know how much say we have in telling the Keyhole what they can/cannot be. However, after reading Kryten's comments on this forum...I think the merge/split went to the garbage heap so quickly because no one said what purpose THEY thought the place should have. We had supposedly agreed on a fansite with the new address [khwiki.net -> khwiki.com] being the encyclopedia, people would come here for the details and go there for some fan events/KH news/other things as talked about in the forums. Now look where we are four years later, disagreeing over what the purpose actually is. I think we should reconsider that forum again. As for the foreign language Wiki's, they operate on their own regards. We are affiliates, but we have no power/domain over there. As for the KH Answers Wiki: sounds fine to me. Thanks guys. I'm sorry for this massive eye-sore of text. If anyone wants to speak to me about this privately or whatever, my talkpage and the IRC are always open. One final thing, I believe someone can be recognized on all of our sites as just a “Kingdom Hearts Wiki” user. One point where we went wrong was acting as if a person couldn't/shouldn't. However, the individual makes the solution/correction for that. We can all say “Xion4ever is a member of the Keyhole and KHWiki.com,” but if I think/say I'm only a member of khwiki.com, that doesn't do anything. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who joins any of our sites is a KHWiki member; even the anons who grammar errors or problems; even users that only create accounts but never talk. We're all in this together. Xion4ever Promise... — 02:22, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

TheFifteenthMember I like white. I find it goes well with yellow, but only if you want it to. — TheFifteenthMember 17:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC) As far as I can tell, this is the general atmosphere we're getting. The KHWiki want more community and social life, but aren't willing to compromise their mainspace. And the Keyhole want more mainspace content and editing, but don't want to miss out on their community/social life. In other words, both wikis want to be a perfect, complete, whole Wiki with maximum proficiency in all regions. But then, no one would be satisfied with imperfection, so who wouldn't want that for their wiki? The purpose of the Keyhole? From the forums I've read, it seems that the split happened to make the KHWiki the "real" wiki with all the same editors and all the same business, while the Keyhole was simply some attempt to make use of its existence- the URL that couldn't be removed. Obviously, this is the present day, things change, and those views are dated, so what can the Keyhole be? If it's an encyclopedia, it competes with the KHWiki and neither wiki wants that. If it's a fansite, it must compromise on its mainspace and as stated above, that's not satisfactory. If it's some amalgamation or somewhere in-between, it is limited because it is trapped at the middle of the scale, never excelling completely in either direction. "Wikis are to provide information". And what information could the Keyhole provide that the KHWiki doesn't already? If we're covering the same scope of content, it's utterly redundant, confuses readers, splits google results and diverges traffic. We cannot have the same purpose, we cannot have the same goals. If we're both aiming for the same things, then we are two groups of people, building the same structure when there's only need for one, and the structure would be finished much quicker if the two groups worked at the same construction site. We may as well re-merge. But that's not an option because a) it would wipe out five years Keyholian work and b) I don't even know how technically possible that is. Okay, so then the key is we need to be building different structures so that both of them are still useful? Let's look down that avenue; how can the Keyhole offer information different to the KHWiki? Real life info? Fandom details? But then, is it good enough to have the purpose "to offer information that the KHWiki doesn't already have"? The Keyhole will be stunted because it's refused the information the KHWiki contains and the KHWiki will be stunted because it could've simply lifted its scope to become more expansive then ever. Fine, let's try a different approach. We have both sites covering their different focal points of content, it's the same community in two different places, cross-editing is at large. But then, it's cumbersome with the fact that every time I make a change to my user page, user goodies, templates etc. I need to go and make the correlating change at the other wiki too. Every time I want to tune into the other half, I need to go and travel the distance. We have two different places that each have their own desirable traits. While we'd be okay with walking across the road all the time, visitors and traffic most likely won't be. Why have separate branches when you can have one joint premise? Anyway, it's still splitting traffic, google hits, visitors, and editors, which is most likely why activity remains low. And I'm all out of solutions. Now, I'm going to sit back and let someone else think of one because I definitely can't. Also, do the Keyholians know about this page? We really need their input here. <