Forum:A reason why Ven looks so much like roxas
i just had a really big idea. i know i have hard facts to back it up, but its just the idea and facts.
well the Keyblade War is supposubly around 10 years before the original Kingdom Hearts game. in the Kh game sora is 14 years old. if you take 10 years away from that you get 4 years. and the Keyblade War was around 10 years before KH so it could be even 12 years. so sora is around 2-4 years old. Just remember that. and also you should have noticed that roxas looks similar to sora since he is his nobody. so ven also looks like sora, even though he does look more like roxas. And if you have not noticed, children's parents that go to war leave them behind or drop them somewhere so they are safe. so since it is the keyblade war, sora was left on destiny islands. thats a pretty safe place. but my point is, i think ven is sora's father! think about it. stricking resemblence to sora/roxas. sora could have been about 4 when he was placed on destiny islands. also their names, ven or ventus is translated to wind in latin. sora's is translated to sky. similar. If you think about it, he could be his father, that is my guess
I just don't get why "Sora's father" looks like Sora's nobody. 126.96.36.199 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
My theoy is... SPOILERS!!!... when vens heart was wandering around, it found sora, and his heart merged with ven's. we all know that.now, when sora's hart was released creating "roxas"... i don't think a nobody was created,... i just think that vens heart was relesed! Make sense? That's why Roxas can feel emotion. So, Ven=Roxas. And it has nothing to do with relation! That's just my theory, and it's is being slowly but surley prooven wrong by everything that is happening in the upcoming games.
And in KH only his mom is heard calling him to dinner
- Eryops3 02:51, 16 August 2008 (UTC)Uh,no,they look around the same age.
I think... when kiari's heart migrated to sora, her body stayed intact, and her soul and sora's body became namine and sora's soul and VEN's bodie became roxas and as such roxas looks exactly like ven.NobodiewithaHeart 18:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Where did Ven's body come from? 188.8.131.52 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
The Problem with Ven being Sora's father is how young he his. He looks 13-17, so he would have had Sora at like 12. Veroso 09:35, 1 November 2008
Yeah, I'm leaning more towards Ven being Sora's brother, which would explain the resemblance a hell of a lot. Adam148 15:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
So, if you have a nobody, it's going to look like a relative of yours? So, if I have a nobody, it's going to look like my aunt? 184.108.40.206 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that Ven would not have a child since he himself, is around the child age.
He could be an uncle, or a cousin. Veroso
11:34, 2 November 2008
That's true, both an uncle and a cousin, he could be Sora's dad's brother or something, or Sora's Dad's Brother's son, either could work, as Sora's father is of an undetermined age. Adam148 20:14, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Mabye he his sora's father, but he's immortal? Veroso 21:07, 3 November 2008
He'd stop aging at age 18 or something, he looks about the same age Sora is in KHII, so he would have been about 11 when Sora was born, so that is highly unlikely. Adam148 17:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
That's probably true. Veroso 17:48, 4 November 2008
He can't be a nobody of somone related to Sora. (Nobodies don't exsist yet.) Mcoolister
young sora is in birth by sleep the game right? maybe he and ven met. when a nobody is made, maybe they take the shape of memories. roxas took on his shape based off of sora's memories of ven. so technicaly roxas looks like ven.-dxmagma
Nobodies look like the original person but with a couple of differences. Nobodies HAVE memories, but they don't look like a specific memory. Even if it was true, why did Roxas base his appearance on Ven? Why not on Riku? 220.127.116.11 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Nobodies did exist. it's just they never took the spotlight.Roxas-rules
Maybe Roxas was never a nobody. What if Roxas was really Ven? And whatever had happened to Ven at the end of the KeyBlade War, he had somehow ended up as part of Sora.18.104.22.168 07:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
But why just Ven? Why didn't Terra and Aqua become nobodies? 22.214.171.124 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the previous statement. In one of the trailers Ven asks to someone (presumably Aqua or Terra) "We're friends right? I want to ask a favor of you. Erase me" I think that Ven's favor was granted and possibly is heart or soul was entered into Sora, the same way Kairi did 10 years later. The statementr before the previous statement I disagree with. If heartless didn't exist, nobodies didn't exist. Summon:WALL•E 17:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
But if he wants to be erased, why did he become a part of some random guy? True, the random guy has the Keyblade. But still it's a random guy. But Kairi did it to save Sora's heart from the darkness. Why did Ven do it? 126.96.36.199 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
What if Ven is sora's older brother, huh! Sora\Roxas connection can be figurered out easly, User:Clarkmaster
.....Or maybe Ven looks like Roxas because Xenanort thought "Wow, this lovechild looks cool, I should make a nobody that looks like him one day...(many years later) Ah I'll make one out of sora." Theres honestly not one theory about ven aqua blah blah and sora riku blah blah that makes any sense whatsoever. And wait...woah hold on a sec "you only hear his mom calling him to dinner" ......isn't that normal? My dad never calls me to dinner...omg that must mean hes dead or at war despite the fact that I see him every day. Now I'm fairly upset that the guys name is Ventus....I always use that board name, now people are just gonna think I stole it from KH even though I used it before ventus was even announced...I didnt steal it from KH...I stole it from unlimitedd saga.
Xenahort can't make nobodies. Xenahort didn't know about Sora until just before the heartless came to Sora's world. Even if Xenahort could make a nobody, why would he care if Sora gets a cool-looking nobody? 188.8.131.52 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok, here's my theory. It's a fact that Ven goes to Destiny Islands and sees Sora and Riku when they're young. Maybe he made such a big impression on a young Sora that when his nobody is made it takes the form of an influential character from Sora's past.Jupiterkai 01:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
People can't control how their nobodies look. The appearance of a nobody will look like the original person but with some differences. 184.108.40.206 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I think he's some relative of Sora's and that's that. DizAnsem007 17:21, 8 January 2009
I don't really see how Sora could be related to Ven other than the fact that he and his Nobody look identical. So many speculations, yet most of them kinda seem rather...off, to be honest. Kaihedgie 00:50, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, I want to give a new theory of Ven looking like Roxas. The two main theories seem to be Ven related to Sora and Ven being Roxas. Well, here's my theory: I think Ventus, Terra, and Aqua were superpowered people like gods. Something happened to them in the end of Birth By Sleep. Whatever this thing was, it made them lose all of their powers (except for Terra). I'm thinking that whatever turned Master Xenahort evil made Terra evil (I'm guessing Master Xenahort gave up everything he had, heart, body, and soul, to become one with the darkness). And then Aqua and Ventus worked together to beat him. However, Terra wasn't beaten. He just lost his memories and somehow ended up in Radiant Garden. But then Ventus and Aqua were losing their lives. Then they made a wish to be together forever because they loved each other. So, By using the power of their Keyblades or Kingdom Hearts (But I doubt they used Kingdom Hearts because they would have to take hearts from people. And good guys don't do that.), they were able to be reincarnated as humans. (Actually, I don't think the Keyblades can reincarnate people. But since the people who wield the Keyblades back then were really powerful, the Keyblades must be really powerful too.) 220.127.116.11 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, "Why does Ventus look like Roxas, not like Sora?" I'm guessing that a part of Ventus was still alive in Sora and transformed Sora's nobody to look like him. The reason why Sora doesn't look like Ventus and Kairi doesn't look like Aqua is because when you're reincarnated, you get a new body with some small differences, kinda like a nobody. I'm betting someone's already tried the reincarnation theory but I don't care. As far as I know, it's something new. Something else I want to add: I think Aqua is connected to Riku and Kairi. She looks like Kairi but has Riku's hair!!! That can't just be a coincidence, right? 18.104.22.168 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Or another theory: After beating Terra, Ventus and Aqua realized that they had too much power and would eventually become evil like Master Xenahort and Terra. So, they had to become human. The Chasers weren't human but incomplete beings like nobodies. But they are not nobodies. They're better than nobodies. They gave up their hearts to fight the darkness and gain immense power. Unlike nobodies, they willing sacrificed their hearts to save people, which gave them much more power then mere nobodies. And they gave up their hearts to the light, not to the darkness. So, Ventus gained a heart to become Sora. Aqua, however, split herself in two (Riku and Kairi) because she feared the power she had much more than Ventus. The hearts they gained limited their powers and changed them from god-like beings to humans. This theory, I like more. Yeah, this theory, I believe, is very plausible. Until I actually get the game and find out I'm completely wrong. Oh, well. 22.214.171.124 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC) Ven becoming Sora is impossible. Once more, Ven and Sora are seen in the exact same location. In the trailer, he and Terra are viewing a young Riku and Sora from afar, so chances of him bein' a reincarnation of Sora is really off as with the super-powered god thing.Kaihedgie 08:26, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I'm probably wrong about Ven being Sora. I'll just change my theory a little. Instead of becoming Sora, Ven gives Sora his power to protect him from Xenahort. 126.96.36.199 05:24, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
That sounds quite more sensible, actually. o: Kaihedgie 07:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
My theory would be found in the Ven discussion.I'll go get it,maybe copy and paste.....--Ven's Heart 12:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Why can't a Unbirth and the human counterpart exist at the same time? He probably said that "Erase me" line because he was suicidal. So, is Ven the soul or body? 188.8.131.52 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Or the game creaters coulda did this to screw with our heads and watch us run around with theories till we run out, any questions? Clarkmaster
Why would the game creators want to screw with the fan's heads? 184.108.40.206 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Answer to above, For fun!
Actually, what about the fact that Roxas in 358/2 Days is just dreaming? At the point where he wakes up, it looks exactly the same in BbS when, in the cutscene, Ven wakes up?
But if Ven is an Unbirth, Terra and Aqua are probably Unbirths. And as far as I know, neither Terra or Aqua are suicidal. I thought Roxas was mad, not sad, for being treated less than a person. He was mad because his "destiny" was to give up his life just so some other guy could live. But why? Why does Ven NEED to die? 220.127.116.11 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
You mean the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette? Do they count as humans since they're fake? Well, actually, now that I think about it, Roxas is "fake" but he acts like a real person. So, the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette can count as real too. But anyway, what do you mean "Roxas had counterparts"? Roxas was just saying "Looks like my summer vacation is over" statement out loud, to himself. That statement meant that he was going to die. But it doesn't necessarily mean that Roxas was suicidal. He gave up his life to help Sora, not to end his own pain (that's what people who commit suicide want). I wonder why Roxas did that. No one forced Roxas to gave up his life. I guess he just wanted to be a good person. Or maybe, he wanted to feel whole and joining with Sora was the only way he could feel like he was complete. So, an Unbirth is a counterpart to a person, and that Unbirth has a extreme version of the person's personality? Is that right? And you're saying that Terra, Aqua, and Ven are ALL Sora's Unbirths? Why does Sora have 3 Unbirths? How come Aqua can't be Kairi's Unbirth and Terra Riku's Unbirth? Well, even if that was true, it's unknown if Sora has an Unbirth or not. For all I know, Sora is Ven's Unbirth!!!!!! 18.104.22.168 19:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Sora is not an Unbirth. No offense but where the hell are you guys gettin' these crazy theories? How can Sora possibly be a part of that which is the opposite of life? D: Kaihedgie 20:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey, you never know. Anything can happen in Kingdom Hearts. Besides, nothing is really known about the Unbirth. So, it could be possible. Until I actually get the Birth by Sleep game, I could believe anything I want to believe. 22.214.171.124 04:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I know that anything could happen, but did any of you ever stop to think that 'erase me' just maybe another way of 'kill me'? Sorry, but these theories seem rather too farfetched to be believable. None of 'em seem to make any sense most of the time.
Why not just say kill me? Even if he wanted to die, why would he want to die? True, but how many things in a Kingdom Hearts game makes sense? Fans are just coming up with theories to pass the time until they actually get the Birth By Sleep game. Augment96 23:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Please note that while I'm merely crictizin' the theories, I do NOT mean any disrespect to anyone
1: It would be impossible for Ven to be Sora's father unless Ven is into lolicon. Ven looks to be around Sora's age in KH2, so that would be impossible since Sora is still around, but younger, and sparring against Riku.
2: We don't even know if Sora had even ever met Ven nor does he ever recall anyone lookin' remotely similar to him. While it's possible to take away memories in the world in KH, they eventually come flooding back again, so no one ever truly forgets completely.
3: Aqua bein' related to Riku and Kairi sounds more like a random lovechild theory.
hey, hey, hey. Sora DOES meet Ven in BbS and even Aqua says Sora looks like Ven and Riku looks serious, like Terra. Maybe Aqua, Ven and Terra had such a big influence on them (including Kairi seeing as Aqua saves her an dputs a charm on her pendant) that, well, maybe you can figure that out for yourselves, hey?
I need ye guys to stop and think real hard, and like I said, I'm not tryin' to offend anyone at all, but just think real hard and ask: Does ANY of these theories make any common sense to begin with or are we just throwin' random speculations at the top of our heads or just flatout asspulls? Sorreh if I offended anyone, but seriously though.... /: Kaihedgie 17:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
How about Ven being Sora's brother or cousin? That could fit. Then how come in Kingdom Hearts 2, Sora doesn't remember meeting Xemnas in Kingdom Hearts 1? Actually, I said that Aqua split her power between Riku and Kairi. I never said that she had kids. Then for you, what do you think makes sense? What explains the connection between the Chasers and Sora, Riku, and Kairi? Augment96 23:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
It's really hard to say.. When it comes to trailers concerning Kingdom Hearts, we're kept in the dark about a LOT of things and we end up usin' what little content is presented to us as 'evidence'. In addition, family has NEVER played an integral part in relationships in Kingdom Hearts. Yes, Sora has a mother, but she's an absolutely minor character.Kaihedgie 00:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
So, the Nobody would show the emotionless side, the "sociopathic" side of a person while the Unbirth would show the emotional, the "humane" part of a person? Or do you mean that a Nobody will show a random personality while the Unbirth shows another random personality? Codified? Oh, yeah, I remember that. Being codified didn't change anything, did it? He was led, not forced to go to the mansion. Roxas wanted to know who he is, why he had dreams of Sora. That's why he want to the mansion, to answer these questions. Every being's fate is undetermined. It's not set in stone. A being's fate is determined by choices. Nobodies count as beings because they exist (albeit incomplete but still they exist.) Honestly, you're talking about people as well as nobodies. Either they become whole or die. Well, if Aqua doesn't have a connection to Kairi, why does she look like her? I personally think Terra is connected to Riku in some way. Augment96 05:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
As trio said, etymology doesn't really play a part in relationships at all. With the exception of Ven, Nomura has a tendency to reuses pre-existing designs and apply them to new characters such as the case of Axel and Reno and Terra and Zack. Kaihedgie 05:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Etymology is the study of words. What does the study of words have to do with relationships at all? If he does reuse character designs, it doesn't matter. He can still write a great story and a great game. Augment96 04:26, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Just what does it mean by "the opposite of human life" ? Does it mean that for every human life, there is an unbirth? But then, throughout the series of Kingdom Hearts I and II, there hasn't been any mention at all of the unbirths. So we'll have to think that they died by the end of BBS. Or another theory would be that they merged together with their human counterparts. Thus, Sora would merge with Ventus. By that doesn't explain why Ven wished to be erased. Ahhhh!!! I'm thinking way too much. By Shiverage
What my friend (she got this off somewhere from the internet) told me is that ven is not an unbirth, hes actually sora's older brother. Xion is really sora's nobody. Ven's nobody is roxas.
What makes sense out of that is the fact that sora looks like ven... Roxas looks exactly like ven. Xion was probably sora's nobody then the organization used her to store soras memories, thats why she looks like kairi then ven... Sora would obviously remember ven but just faint. He would probably remember ven well enough that xion would look like ven only if they were related... Also roxas didnt really disapear as soon as sora got his memories back or even when he came back to human form... Which implies that roxas cant be his nobody. Xion i think disappeared at the end of 358/2 days which was close to sora finally regaining his memories... The rest of the memories xion had probably went to roxas, which is why he had strange dreams about sora.
What doesnt make sense is that how did roxas get created the same time sora happened to become a heartless? And why the organization thought roxas's true name was sora (remember true name = somebody's name)Kittycat0143 00:23, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
look i know if you look at the final scene in BBS then you will see ven's heart go into sora ven is sora's other half-Roxas is the same thing-now do you get it
DON'T READ THIS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED!!! At the end of Bbs, ven's heart takes refuge in Sora. When he gets turned into a heartless, the nobody looks like Ven becauseVens heart went into the nobody. This is why Roxas can feel emmotions, and why he looks like ven. Any questions ask on my Talkpage: ZTG talk page Thanks and feel free to ask question!
Ven is Sora's father? What kind of Potion are you on!? The only reason that everyone looks the same is because whe Sora was born, Ven's heart was shattered (so Ven was around 11 years old when that happend, but he looked 15 then, so he might have hit puberty early), so Sora's wittle baby heart (which had a big vocabulary for only being a couple of hours old) fused with Ven's shattered heart and because of that Roxas looks like Ven (also Nomura said that because of the heart connection, Vanitas looks like how Sora does when he is 15, so if it was Riku's heart, then Vanitas would look like Riku). That's the reason, not because of any genetics, Kingdom Hearts doesn't work with that, unlike Star Wars. Interseting point to note, Aqua is probably the only main protagonist who doesn't resemble anyone (Ven-Roxas, Terra-Xehanort, Vanitas-Sora, etc.). Weird, huh? AROS 10:09, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
I am I the only one who has actually seen what happened in the game on youtube? Cause if so, then congradulations, at least you all managed to keep yourselves spoiler-free. If you want to know what the real deal is, then gon on to youtube and look up the Ven scenes of the game, but you should see the entire game anyway cause you'd be spoiling yourself anyway. If you do, then check under the user strwbrymilk's channel, cause her translations seem to be the most acurate. And Keyblade0, if you whatch the videos and take a good look at the fourms around you, you will see the resemblence and the connection between the characters. After all, these looks aren't coinsidences, there is a reason! To quote Tsubasa Chronicles (yet another great anime based on a manga that never got a satisfying ending anywhere out side the manga), "There is no such thing as coincidense, only inevitability". In short, it began with Ven and then on to Sora, and with Terra and MX to Xehanort. Sorry if I sound like a know-it-all. AROS 22:45, July 2, 2010 (UTC)