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To the entire community voting: do not add votes yet, we are building the info first. You are free to add notes from previous discussions about the pros and cons of each option

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ShoutWiki

• One server, may not be accepting moves currently
• Ad-supported
• Several noted problems with speed reported from already moved-from-Wikia wikis.
• Monaco is already installed but will become a paid feature in July 2011.
• According to Dantman, the group who runs this is quite shady.

Wikkii

• Requires small google text ad somewhere on page; location is at community's discretion.
• If one goes for the advanced hosting. offers the following benefits.
  • full ftp & cpanel access
  • freedom to install extensions and to add skins (Monaco included)
• Knowledge about server side control required.
• Backups are not provided by the host, backups are webmaster's responsibility.
• Reported speed problems on Friday evenings (European time), otherwise good uptime.
• Free domain for popular wikis.

SEIWA / Kingdom Hearts DB

• Independence from a wiki-host, allowing us freedom to code our wiki and stylize it more freely than ever before, as well assurance we won't have another "Wikia's Oasis."
• Already exists (edit counts, user accounts, articles, images, every single page; everything has been transferred), but needs to be updated
• Monaco can be installed when we give them the usable code (tfwiki.net has a version), already has monobook and vector installed
• The url needs to be moved to khwiki.net, but this can be done easily.
• One person is in charge of all software issues, so it is possible we would not have as much freedom as with wikkii. However, so long as they don't compromise security, the owner will install extensions and add skins as requested. The owner does have b-crat rights, which is a bit shady, but we can speak to the owner about this.
• Joins us with other large wikis, including the ever-expanding Final Fantasy Wiki, as well as SquareWiki (parent of FFWiki and KHWiki, though relatively unused now), Chronopedia, and more, to benefit from our common focus on Square Enix subjects. (See Forum:Square Enix Portal for more comprehensive information please.)
  • Also interested is the FFXIV wiki, which is likely more comprehensive on the online game than FFWiki. The wiki's founder, Zyeriis, has shown an extreme interest in joining SEIWA if we found it.
• Knowledge about server side control not required.
• No ads are necessary right now, but we can ask about adding direct Kingdom Hearts ads if we wish, or about implementing a fundraising drive
• Choosing this means pioneering a Square Enix Independent Wiki Alliance in the same vein as NIWA. Basically, this means we would create a central SEIWA page, and invite other Square Enix-related wikis to become independent, free from Wikia and other wiki farms.
  • If they do not already have hosts, this means we may be responsible for assisting them in acquiring it.

SEIWA / Misc

• MediaWiki is a must.
• We could implement targeted ads or a fundraising drive if we wish.
• Dantman mentioned that Narutopedia might possibly move, and that there is a small chance they could help with the hosting infrastructure.

TropicalWikis

• A new but growing wiki farm.
• Has Vector and Monobook, is installing Monaco very soon.
• Has an active central IRC channel and although staff aren't always on, there is always more than likely someone that can help you.
• Free membership, and no ads required.
• Main url is "tropicalwikis.com", so we would be "tropicalwikis.com/kingdomhearts/~~", or more likely "kingdomhearts.tropicalwikis.com"
• Extensions can be added upon request as an optional extension that can only be set by admins.

General info

• A general summary of issues we could expect to deal with during the move.
• The new wiki was created by porplemontage, and our arrangement was not entirely clear, which is why the URL needs to be changed and the current status of the site is unclear. However, porplemontage's server is free, and he hosts other large, successful wikis. We are lucky to have this opportunity, and may not find it elsewhere.
• The wikia wiki will remain at the top of the search engines for a while - we must work continuously at the new address for it to replace it.
• The transfer will transfer everything, at its current place. For best results, we would ask for people to stop editing while the dump is being made. Even the user accounts can be transferred, so all you need to do is update your bookmarks.
• We could implement direct ads through Project Wonderful (ex. Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep or webcomic ads, but they'd have to find us) or a fundraising drive (possibly with a raffle) if we wish.
  • Some of Dantman's ad ideas:
    • "a small block of Project Wonderful ads below the navigation box in the sidebar (2-3 ads high, 2 ads wide, small banners, maybe one wider banner at higher price), as well as a 300px ad in a right sidebar above an infobox area, if there is no right sidebar on the page then instead either a banner ad above the page title header, or perhaps in an island above the whole content area. I might consider making those banner or box ads project wonderful ads with a minimum price which fallback to advertising networks when there is no advertisement, which should allow a fair box with revenue coming from advertising networks but which allows direct advertisers who are willing to pay about as much as we get from the broad ad networks from an ad area to place their advertisement inside a page instead."
    • "I've also tossed around the idea of a separate instance for pages in certain categories, like "Video Games", allowing for a directly targeted ad on video game articles, which could be an enticing space for a store that sells those games to want to take over."
    • "A lot of different ideas have been tossed around on the Narutopedia and elsewhere and gone through my head; Play-Asia affiliation. Hulu videos (while I hate hulu, 3rd party sites that embed videos get 10% of Hulu's cut of the advertising profits from videos which are watched on the 3rd party site), various ad networks, Project Wonderful, bg takeover ads (not favored), partnerships with relevant companies, donations, etc..."
• Wherever we move, we need several editors to keep monthly updates of the database.
• We should take the opportunity to install bots, to further enhance our site as a comprehensive database, a goal Wikia does not share.
• We might look into installing a "User template" space.
• We might eliminate "my home" and replace it with a user-spaces oriented RC and a main-spaces oriented RC.
• We need to contact our current affiliates, and try to transfer as many as possible.
• All editors who are moving permanently to the new address should probably leave messages to that effect on their user and user talk pages.
• In the event Wikia ever returns the Monaco option to wikis, it would not be a wise decision to return to them, due to their proven unreliability, risk of another issue like this one, the "fansiteness" of the Wikia wiki, and progress of the off-Wikia site.

This Wiki

• The Wikia wiki will no longer need to have such strict standards, and no longer needs to be a rigorous treatment.
  • The image policy would be relaxed to something like "no porn, no viruses", etc.
• Fan material could be added, such as information on conventions, prominent cosplay merchandise such as large Keyblades and black coats, or fanon like Dead Fantasy.
  • This wiki will NOT merge with the fanon wiki. It will not be a place to create fanon, merely a place to report on prominent fanon. I.e., it needs to have gained something like the notoriety that Dead Fantasy or Dion Roger's Rinoa did. This could also include KH coverage in prominent places, such as Penny Arcade or Awkward Zombie, as well as coverage of major fansites, like kh2.co.uk or heartstation. These could be placed in a "Fanon:" or "Fan:" space to separate them from the official content, if desired.
  • There has been a suggestion for a "Theory:" namespace, like the Lost and Heroes wikis. These could be essay-form or otherwise. However, it has been suggested that these be maintained to be somewhat clean--not the degree of professionalism the current wiki upholds, but essays and proofs would be excellent. Basically, something cleaner than walls of unsigned text that looks like spam.
• Stat-only article, like Diamond Ring, could be deleted as unnecessary.
• There could be a news section more like what the fansites have.
• Essentially, this could become a "user-written fansite".
• OR, if everyone decides to move to the new wiki and leave this one permanently, then this wiki will be overtaken by vandals, and quickly drop in the google rankings anyway. However, if someone wants to stay here and keep back the vandal, they should not just sync this site with the new wiki, because that will hurt the new wiki.
  • Ultimately, we cannot just delete everything and leave this wiki as a shell--Wikia would notice and revert it as accused vandalism.
• The goal of the remaining wiki will not be to act as a competing encyclopedia to the moving wiki. This harms the moving wiki, what we are currently, and that is not part of the goal of the "fansite."
• Any admins who stay behind would remain as admins, and more elections could be held if the community desires it.
• The IRC channel "wikia-kingdomhearts" would remain linked to this wiki; a new channel would be set up for the new wiki.

Questions?

If you have any questions related to the choices above, please post them below, and we will try to answer them and add the info to the list above.

• Who will be in charge of the Wikia fan-based Wiki? Soxxeh 6:42pm, January 6, 2011 (UTC) - Addressed"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro)

• Will there be a new IRC set up or will we use the present one? ~Lilienne⌒ヮ⌒ 00:47, January 9, 2011 (UTC) - Addressed"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro)