Forum:Can Heartless Use the Keyblade?

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This has been bugging me recently. I've always operated under the assumption that this was impossible, & that's why Not-Ansem had to possess Riku. Then the Wiki dropped a bomb on me by arguing that Sora could technically be considered a Heartless until he reunites with Roxas. Up until then, I'd assumed that he was incomplete, but still fundamentally a normal person. Not a Heartless. I'm still not sure which interpretation is true. But supposing he is a Heartless, he's able to wield the Keyblade, but presumably wasn't in his Shadow form. And even if that's not true, we still have to wonder why a Nobody can use a Keyblade, but a Heartless can't. It's all very confusing, anyone think that they can shed some light on this?Neo Bahamut (talk) 01:41, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

TaylorLautner<3^.^ Why did the Keyblade choose me?... I have to know...— Taylorlauntnerlvr13 14:48, 9 September 2013 (UTC) All I know is that the nobodies can't use keyblades, with the exceptions of Roxas and Xion. I suppose Namine COULD since she is Kairi, really. The heartless cant weild keyblades. Anti-Sora is the Sora heartless you are thinking of. Its called Anti-Form, not Shadow form, by the way..... Also, the reason Roxas and Xion can use the keyblades is because they are essentially Sora. Therefore, Heartless can't use keyblades because they are evil. Does that help???

Oh, my, no. There's nothing to say that Nobodies, in general, can't use the Keyblade. So far, all we know is that Nobodies & Replicas of Keyblade Wielders can, except Xemnas, for some reason or another. Anti-Form is not a Heartless, & is distinct from Anti-Sora, which near as I can tell is a Heartless that copies Sora's appearance--but its Keyblade is probably fake. The Heartless to which I am referring is (1) Sora, transformed into a Shadow, in Hollow Bastion & (2) Sora, from the end of KH1 until the beginning of KH2. For 2, we don't know that he is technically considered a Heartless at this time, but that's the Wiki's general position which, if true, leads to this question. Being evil is not a barrier towards using the Keyblade, & it's also kind of a subjective term.Neo Bahamut (talk) 21:39, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

TaylorLautner<3^.^ Why did the Keyblade choose me?... I have to know...— Taylorlauntnerlvr13 14:48, 9 September 2013 (UTC) Well, then, you answered your own question, i guess.....

No, I only defined the subjects involved, & listed the knowns & unknowns. There's still no clear answer for whether or not Heartless can use the Keyblade, why, or if Sora is considered a Heartless during Chain of Memories.Neo Bahamut (talk) 20:12, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Sora was separated from his body from Hollow Bastion to Twilight Town, so for most intents he should count as a Heartless, although DiZ considers him to have stopped being a Heartless when he got his body back. Furthermore, Ansem is part of Xehanort's Organization XIII, implied to be Keyblade wielders for darkness, and Young Xehanort gave up his body in order to travel through time, so it seems as if he would be a Heartless as well. Xehanort also talks about Keyblade Masters being able to extract their own hearts in order to attain immortality. According to the glossary, the "heart must be proven" to wield a Keyblade, but if that rules out anything it would be true Nobodies, of which there's an awful lack; even the Organization XIII had hearts, in the end. In the end, there doesn't seem to be any reason to believe that a Heartless couldn't wield a Keyblade, provided its heart was strong enough to wield one in the first place. Its main obstacle would be that non-agents of light can't stand against them, but that's clearly surmountable as shown by the scads of evil wielders in the series."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 01:43, 10 September 2013 (UTC)