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{{TalkSephiroth0812||time=22:40, 20 March 2012 (UTC)|text=You're interpreting the wording of the reports wrong in conjunction with the actual cutscene. In the cutscene Master Xehanort '' had already dismissed'' Ventus as good vessel because Ven is too kindhearted, which he already noticed way earlier. If you quote the reports, quote all relevant information from them: ["And that was when I met Ventus and made him my pupil. We were destined to meet, and I could sense the potential within him, but the boy was too benign for his own good. I came to the conclusion he was too frail to serve as a vessel,and decided to use him for a second purpose I had in mind."] Ventus wasn't just his pupil for one or two days, Xehanort noticed from Ven's benign nature already that we would not make a suitable vessel. Kryten is correct with his explanation that there is a time difference between Xehanort giving up on wanting Ven as his vessel and the actual cutscene we see. Xehanort ''came to the conclusion'', meaning he already spent some time with Ven before (which is also logical since he needed to perform the Inheritance Ceremony for him and Ven needed to be chosen by an own keyblade and also learn to at least basically use it.) It was also said that Ventus looked up to Xehanort as a teacher and respected him, which the kid wouldn't do if they were only mere days together.
{{TalkSephiroth0812||time=22:40, 20 March 2012 (UTC)|text=You're interpreting the wording of the reports wrong in conjunction with the actual cutscene. In the cutscene Master Xehanort '' had already dismissed'' Ventus as good vessel because Ven is too kindhearted, which he already noticed way earlier. If you quote the reports, quote all relevant information from them: ["And that was when I met Ventus and made him my pupil. We were destined to meet, and I could sense the potential within him, but the boy was too benign for his own good. I came to the conclusion he was too frail to serve as a vessel,and decided to use him for a second purpose I had in mind."] Ventus wasn't just his pupil for one or two days, Xehanort noticed from Ven's benign nature already that we would not make a suitable vessel. Kryten is correct with his explanation that there is a time difference between Xehanort giving up on wanting Ven as his vessel and the actual cutscene we see. Xehanort ''came to the conclusion'', meaning he already spent some time with Ven before (which is also logical since he needed to perform the Inheritance Ceremony for him and Ven needed to be chosen by an own keyblade and also learn to at least basically use it.) It was also said that Ventus looked up to Xehanort as a teacher and respected him, which the kid wouldn't do if they were only mere days together.
The cutscene makes it clear as day that Xehanort was going along with the X-blade plan from the get go: "Forge your master the X-blade" is a statement ''spoken'' by the man himself. In an earlier report it is clearly said that two hearts of equal strength, one light and one dark, are needed. It is ''not'' stated that it is mandatory that these two hearts need to originate from the same heart (Aqua as a possible substitute for the light heart is proof for that). }}
The cutscene makes it clear as day that Xehanort was going along with the X-blade plan from the get go: "Forge your master the X-blade" is a statement ''spoken'' by the man himself. In an earlier report it is clearly said that two hearts of equal strength, one light and one dark, are needed. It is ''not'' stated that it is mandatory that these two hearts need to originate from the same heart (Aqua as a possible substitute for the light heart is proof for that). }}
{{neumannz|time=23:27, 20 March 2012 (UTC)|text=I would edit Seph's explanation to point out that according to the report, Xehanort meant to split Ven in two from the beginning, and so his trying to get Ven to open up to his inner darkness, as depicted in the cutscene, must have been part of preparing him for that, although he ended up splitting them before Ven was ready, and so yada yada, Ven gets broken, yada yada. Other than that, good explanation.
As for you, Neo Bahamut, you need to chill out and fully explain your logic instead of repeating the quote over and over and getting mad when people don't follow your reasoning.}}