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(well from what i have been reading alot of people are saying that ven is soras father or that he is an imprint of roxas. well im not saying im right but it just might that ven is soras brothers nobody)
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i just had a really big idea. i know i have hard facts to back it up, but its just the idea and facts.  
i just had a really big idea. i know i have hard facts to back it up, but its just the idea and facts.


well the Keyblade War is supposubly around 10 years before the original Kingdom Hearts game. in the Kh game sora is 14 years old. if you take 10 years away from that you get 4 years. and the Keyblade War was around 10 years before KH so it could be even 12 years. so sora is around 2-4 years old. Just remember that. and also you should have noticed that roxas looks similar to sora since he is his nobody. so ven also looks like sora, even though he does look more like roxas. And if you have not noticed, children's parents that go to war leave them behind or drop them somewhere so they are safe. so since it is the keyblade war, sora was left on destiny islands. thats a pretty safe place. but my point is, '''i think ven is sora's father!''' think about it. stricking resemblence to sora/roxas. sora could have been about 4 when he was placed on destiny islands. also their names, ven or ventus is translated to wind in latin. sora's is translated to sky. similar. If you think about it, he could be his father, that is my guess
well the Keyblade War is supposubly around 10 years before the original Kingdom Hearts game. in the Kh game sora is 14 years old. if you take 10 years away from that you get 4 years. and the Keyblade War was around 10 years before KH so it could be even 12 years. so sora is around 2-4 years old. Just remember that. and also you should have noticed that roxas looks similar to sora since he is his nobody. so ven also looks like sora, even though he does look more like roxas. And if you have not noticed, children's parents that go to war leave them behind or drop them somewhere so they are safe. so since it is the keyblade war, sora was left on destiny islands. thats a pretty safe place. but my point is, '''i think ven is sora's father!''' think about it. stricking resemblence to sora/roxas. sora could have been about 4 when he was placed on destiny islands. also their names, ven or ventus is translated to wind in latin. sora's is translated to sky. similar. If you think about it, he could be his father, that is my guess


I just don't get why "Sora's father" looks like Sora's nobody. [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I just don't get why "Sora's father" looks like Sora's nobody. [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
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young sora is in birth by sleep the game right? maybe he and ven met. when a nobody is made, maybe they take the shape of memories. roxas took on his shape based off of sora's memories of ven. so technicaly roxas looks like ven.-dxmagma
young sora is in birth by sleep the game right? maybe he and ven met. when a nobody is made, maybe they take the shape of memories. roxas took on his shape based off of sora's memories of ven. so technicaly roxas looks like ven.-dxmagma


Nobodies look like the original person but with a couple of differences. Nobodies HAVE memories, but they don't look like a specific memory. Even if it was true, why did Roxas base his appearance on Ven? Why not on Riku? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)  
Nobodies look like the original person but with a couple of differences. Nobodies HAVE memories, but they don't look like a specific memory. Even if it was true, why did Roxas base his appearance on Ven? Why not on Riku? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


Nobodies did exist. it's just they never took the spotlight.[[User:Roxas-rules|Roxas-rules]]
Nobodies did exist. it's just they never took the spotlight.[[User:Roxas-rules|Roxas-rules]]
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Why can't a Unbirth and the human counterpart exist at the same time? He probably said that "Erase me" line because he was suicidal. So, is Ven the soul or body? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Why can't a Unbirth and the human counterpart exist at the same time? He probably said that "Erase me" line because he was suicidal. So, is Ven the soul or body? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


Or the game creaters coulda did this to screw with our heads and watch us run around with theories till we run out, any questions? [[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster]]
Or the game creaters coulda did this to screw with our heads and watch us run around with theories till we run out, any questions? [[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster]]


Why would the game creators want to screw with the fan's heads? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Why would the game creators want to screw with the fan's heads? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


{{TNE|text=no, as far as I know I was holding on to '''this''' theory all the time. This one seems more plausible than the rest because of that one quote by Ven. I mean, if Roxas were sad because he was a Nobody, I bet Ven would've felt the same when he discovered he was an Unbirth. When he said that quote "Erase me", he looked devastated. But he knew he had to die. Just like Roxas knew he had to combine with Sora for him to be whole.}}
{{TNE|text=no, as far as I know I was holding on to '''this''' theory all the time. This one seems more plausible than the rest because of that one quote by Ven. I mean, if Roxas were sad because he was a Nobody, I bet Ven would've felt the same when he discovered he was an Unbirth. When he said that quote "Erase me", he looked devastated. But he knew he had to die. Just like Roxas knew he had to combine with Sora for him to be whole.}}


But if Ven is an Unbirth, Terra and Aqua are probably Unbirths. And as far as I know, neither Terra or Aqua are suicidal. I thought Roxas was mad, not sad, for being treated less than a person. He was mad because his "destiny" was to give up his life just so some other guy could live. But why? Why does Ven NEED to die? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
But if Ven is an Unbirth, Terra and Aqua are probably Unbirths. And as far as I know, neither Terra or Aqua are suicidal. I thought Roxas was mad, not sad, for being treated less than a person. He was mad because his "destiny" was to give up his life just so some other guy could live. But why? Why does Ven NEED to die? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


{{TNE|text=Not necessarily. Just because Ven is an Unbirth doesn't mean that his counterparts have to be the same. Like, look at the beginning of Kingdom Hearts II: Roxas had counterparts that didn't fight while they were in the virtual Twilight Town, but they were '''completely human !''' And Roxas was a Nobody ! It could've been the discovery that Ven was an Unbirth that led him to be suicidal, just like how Roxas said to Sora, "Looks like my sumer vacation is over." If they '''are''' related to Sora in some manner or other, then we should know that they have '''extreme''' versions of Sora's personality. Understood ?}}
{{TNE|text=Not necessarily. Just because Ven is an Unbirth doesn't mean that his counterparts have to be the same. Like, look at the beginning of Kingdom Hearts II: Roxas had counterparts that didn't fight while they were in the virtual Twilight Town, but they were '''completely human !''' And Roxas was a Nobody ! It could've been the discovery that Ven was an Unbirth that led him to be suicidal, just like how Roxas said to Sora, "Looks like my sumer vacation is over." If they '''are''' related to Sora in some manner or other, then we should know that they have '''extreme''' versions of Sora's personality. Understood ?}}


You mean the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette? Do they count as humans since they're fake? Well, actually, now that I think about it, Roxas is "fake" but he acts like a real person. So, the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette can count as real too. But anyway, what do you mean "Roxas had counterparts"? Roxas was just saying "Looks like my summer vacation is over" statement out loud, to himself. That statement meant that he was going to die. But it doesn't necessarily mean that Roxas was suicidal. He gave up his life to help Sora, not to end his own pain (that's what people who commit suicide want). I wonder why Roxas did that. No one forced Roxas to gave up his life. I guess he just wanted to be a good person. Or maybe, he wanted to feel whole and joining with Sora was the only way he could feel like he was complete. So, an Unbirth is a counterpart to a person, and that Unbirth has a extreme version of the person's personality? Is that right? And you're saying that Terra, Aqua, and Ven are ALL Sora's Unbirths? Why does Sora have 3 Unbirths? How come Aqua can't be Kairi's Unbirth and Terra Riku's Unbirth? Well, even if that was true, it's unknown if Sora has an Unbirth or not. For all I know, Sora is Ven's Unbirth!!!!!! [[Special:Contributions/149.150.236.189|149.150.236.189]] 19:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
You mean the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette? Do they count as humans since they're fake? Well, actually, now that I think about it, Roxas is "fake" but he acts like a real person. So, the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette can count as real too. But anyway, what do you mean "Roxas had counterparts"? Roxas was just saying "Looks like my summer vacation is over" statement out loud, to himself. That statement meant that he was going to die. But it doesn't necessarily mean that Roxas was suicidal. He gave up his life to help Sora, not to end his own pain (that's what people who commit suicide want). I wonder why Roxas did that. No one forced Roxas to gave up his life. I guess he just wanted to be a good person. Or maybe, he wanted to feel whole and joining with Sora was the only way he could feel like he was complete. So, an Unbirth is a counterpart to a person, and that Unbirth has a extreme version of the person's personality? Is that right? And you're saying that Terra, Aqua, and Ven are ALL Sora's Unbirths? Why does Sora have 3 Unbirths? How come Aqua can't be Kairi's Unbirth and Terra Riku's Unbirth? Well, even if that was true, it's unknown if Sora has an Unbirth or not. For all I know, Sora is Ven's Unbirth!!!!!! [[Special:Contributions/149.150.236.189|149.150.236.189]] 19:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


Sora is not an Unbirth. No offense but where the hell are you guys gettin' these crazy theories? How can Sora possibly be a part of that which is the opposite of life? D: [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 20:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Sora is not an Unbirth. No offense but where the hell are you guys gettin' these crazy theories? How can Sora possibly be a part of that which is the opposite of life? D: [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 20:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
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What my friend (she got this off somewhere from the internet) told me is that ven is not an unbirth, hes actually sora's older brother. Xion is really sora's nobody. Ven's nobody is roxas.
What my friend (she got this off somewhere from the internet) told me is that ven is not an unbirth, hes actually sora's older brother. Xion is really sora's nobody. Ven's nobody is roxas.


What makes sense out of that is the fact that sora looks like ven... Roxas looks exactly like ven. Xion was probably sora's nobody then the organization used her to store soras memories, thats why she looks like kairi then ven... Sora would obviously remember ven but just faint. He would probably remember ven well enough that xion would look like ven only if they were related... Also roxas didnt really disapear as soon as sora got his memories back or even when he came back to human form... Which implies that roxas cant be his nobody. Xion i think disappeared at the end of 358/2 days which was close to sora finally regaining his memories... The rest of the memories xion had probably went to roxas, which is why he had strange dreams about sora.
What makes sense out of that is the fact that sora looks like ven... Roxas looks exactly like ven. Xion was probably sora's nobody then the organization used her to store soras memories, thats why she looks like kairi then ven... Sora would obviously remember ven but just faint. He would probably remember ven well enough that xion would look like ven only if they were related... Also roxas didnt really disapear as soon as sora got his memories back or even when he came back to human form... Which implies that roxas cant be his nobody. Xion i think disappeared at the end of 358/2 days which was close to sora finally regaining his memories... The rest of the memories xion had probably went to roxas, which is why he had strange dreams about sora.


What doesnt make sense is that how did roxas get created the same time sora happened to become a heartless? And why the organization thought roxas's true name was sora (remember true name = somebody's name)[[User:Kittycat0143|Kittycat0143]] 00:23, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
What doesnt make sense is that how did roxas get created the same time sora happened to become a heartless? And why the organization thought roxas's true name was sora (remember true name = somebody's name)[[User:Kittycat0143|Kittycat0143]] 00:23, December 10, 2009 (UTC)