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== '''Deep Jungle''' ==


{{HeartlessSlayer|Ok, I am trying to test out a test page to see if anyone will notice or respond to it so I got a small topic to start things off with. Is there anybody who thinks that the Deep Jungle world plays a big part in the Kingdom Hearts series?}}

{{TNE|happytext=I do ! After all that talk about hearts and the reuniting of Donald, Sora and Goofy, it's a pity Square Enix and Disney couldn't use it anymore. :-(}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Lol, well that's good to know that I'm not the only one XD. Its just that its my fave world of all the others. Plus it was kickass to have my fave movie in the series. I could understand why it wasn't put into CoM because of copyrights, but what really bugs me is that people are starting to say and believe that if it wasn't a part of the game, then is must not be an important world. UGH. Hate it when they do that, the only useless world if you honestly ask me is the Monstro world. The best thing I can describe that world is like being an anime filler that really serves no point or connection to the plot. Of course how Monstro helped was that it showed the struggles between Sora and Riku because of Maleficent. Sorry about the rant ^^;. But still it just annoys me when people say stuff like that. Its like saying Port Royal doesn't have any part of the story at all even though it clearly does.}}

{{TNE|text=From what I see, every world has its importance. Monstro would've been rendered useless if it were not for the episode with Gepetto, Pinocchio and Riku. Port Royal has Luxord. Deep Jungle has the talk about hearts. Although I wish they could get copyright once more - so that they could make use of the "Two Worlds, One Family" tagline. I've yearned for that and I have a feeling my yearning might just come to nothing.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|True, too true there about the worlds. Personally, I don't mind that Tarzan wasn't in KH2. I was a little disappointed by the really easy gameplay even on Proud and the poor attempt for story in some worlds, I always figured Deep Jungle was spared lol. But I was still disappointed that it wasn't in CoM, even if the Disney worlds weren't really there. The game just felt incomplete without it. Which is why I hope to make a little fan story of it to try it out and make some cards. Which is why I need the references from the Re:CoM game to try it out. As for the GBA game, THAT'LL be even trickier ^^;. So yeah, I always felt that Deep Jungle was underappreciated, and to be honest, out of all the party members in that game, Tarzan never once died on me. That strong and uses the most useful magic abilities. Now THAT'S tough!}}

{{TNE|text=I somehow feel my favourite Disney AI party member is Tarzan. Never mind about the loincloth and the Babel. ^_^}}


{{HeartlessSlayer|I was actually impressed of how much faster they made Aladdin in KH2.}}

{{TNE|happytext=Ha ! Aladdin in Re:Chain is the best. For giving me all those Moogle Points !}}
 

{{HeartlessSlayer|Oops, I read your 2nd last text wrong, I thought you said Aladdin was your fave party member. lol sorry ^^;. Anyways, that's what I meant, Tarzan just has that great strength to wipe out so many enemies and great magic abilities such as cure and wind that he's almost a perfect party member. its a shame that he could be only used in the one world. Oh well. I noticed they passed the same kind of abilities and strength onto Simba in KH2. and yet, its almost like he wasn't as strong as Tarzan. Faster for sure, but not as strong. what do you think?}}

{{TNE|text=I haven't taken much notice of Simba (as most of the time, I use Donald and Goofy in the party).}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Ah ok, that would make a difference since I use different party members in each world lol.}}

{{Rikloud|text= I don't know who my favorite party member is probably a tie between Aladdin and Beast though I didn't use Beast much because I had to switch him out for a trinity funny thing is I wasn't able to beat the second battle against Dark Riku until I put him in my party even though he couldn't help with it}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Good choices there, though honestly between the 2 I think Beast is the better one, not for his strength alone, but also compared to the other party members, he actually uses his items wisely and not randomly. Its a rare sight to see from an AI partner lol.}}

{{Rikloud|text=yeah I know he seems to be the smartest AI character that i've encountered though I don't know about KH2 because I resolved to not even start it until I beat 1 and I guess I wont continue Re:CoM untill I beat 2}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Another problem I got with with the recent absence of Deep Jungle because of the copyright is the continuity of the series. I know the other worlds are still in the series obviously, but I remember seeing some scans of a Ultimania book of KH2 and while they did reference the other worlds, they only use a few screencaps of Deep Jungle without proper referencing and character images. That's just not right >_<.}}

{{TNE|angrytext=First off, I need to seek information on the copyright issue. Something just doesn't seem right.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Is there anything I can help with in finding information on the copyright issue? or do you just need clarification?}}

{{TNE|text=I'd like to seek information on the copyright issue... particularly because I'm a law student, to start with. I'd be handling copyrights soon enough...... so this seems like a good case to start with.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|To be honest, its hard to tell if I got the right information or not but I hope this place is a good start http://www.tarzan.org/terms_of_use.html btw, did you see the jungle king keyblade card on my page? i actually managed to find a sample of it on a very rare screenshot of CoM, things are looking up to make a CoM story for the Deep Jungle world lol.}}

{{TNE|remerciement=I took a look at that card. That was quite cute, I'd say ! I wouldn't mind it being a card slightly higher than Three Wishes. I'd have used it.

By the way, thanks for the link to the Terms of Use. I can see a whole lot of exclusion clauses inside it (among other things) and it's going to take me a while to digest this contract !}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|I know I would use it in my deck all the way through lol. Now if only i can find a good 3d reference of the keyblade i'll be in business. and i'm glad i was able to help you out there ^^. I did find some references that somebody actually made if Tarzan was in CoM, including Jane, Clayton and Stealth Sneak. Plus i'm working on getting a few more images for this site. also, i don;t understand all that but could you possibly explain how those copyrights works for the tarzan licence?}}

{{TNE|text=I can't say much because I haven't studied the terms fully, but all I know on the surface is this : when you copyright something, you legally have the rights to own it, and others will have to get your permission in order to use it. (It's harder to do so.) Also, you can set your own terms and conditions as to how others use your stuff (in this case, Edgar Rice Burroughs imposed '''very''' strict terms, greatly limiting usage......... and, because it's in writing, it can serve as evidence if anyone breaks those terms, and Edgar Rice Burroughs can succesfully sue in court. Now I can really understand why Square-Enix and Disney had a hard time with them.}}


{{HeartlessSlayer|dang, they're getting stricter with the rules these days. But at least we can say that at least that Deep Jungle was part of the trilogy set of the KH series. BTW, I just had another theory. After playing Re:CoM I just realized, when they added in the cards with the keyblades from KH2, i noticed that there wasn't one for the Circle of Life keyblade for the Pride Lands. Makes you wonder, if they ever had a Deep Jungle world in CoM, would their special treasure be the Circle of Life keyblade card?}}

{{TNE|text=Possibly, considering that Circle of Life was intended as a last-minute replacement for the Jungle King. As for rules getting stricter...... I'm beginning to wonder what the difference is between fair use and unfair use, as well as the boundaries. Law has a rigid set of rules, yes, and particularly in contracts.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|I just thought it maybe a good idea, so it could be possible I could try to make a card of that, though Re:CoM version only, no good with sprites ^^;. To be honest, I don't know how it could be unfair use in the game, my guess is that today's owner of the licence probably just wanted more money and took the permission away when they didn't get the money. Seesh, does everybody have to put a price tag on everything?}}

== '''Possible BBS worlds''' ==

{{HeartlessSlayer|This is something I'm sure by now that a LOT of people are thinking about for the new Birth By Sleep game for the PSP. But asides from the worlds confirmed so far in the game, wonder what other worlds have potential of being in the game. These were a few I was thinking of.

- Sword in the Stone
- The Jungle Book
- Robin Hood
- The Black Cauldron
- The Hunchback of Notre Dame
- Atlantis: The Lost Empire

So far that's what I thought of.}}

{{TNE|text=I hope the Hunchback story comes out. If not in BBS, then in a sequel. Archaic Paris has never been so... fun before.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|That would be really nice indeed though there would be 2 major problems with that world. One a possibly reason is the whole religion and God concept. It really worked for the story of course but people can be pretty picky about religion being in certain games, especially the parents. PLEASE don't get me started on that >_<. Anyways, the other problem is a MAJOR, as mentioned before, Tony Jay, who voices Frollo is dead.}}

{{troisnyxetienne|shocktext=Aw crud.............}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|I know, it would take a miracle to duplicate such a malevolent voice like that. But, here's hoping *crosses fingers* Besides that world, I thought it would always be funny if they ever had a Robin Hood world, and either Sora, Ven or Terra (whichever game they put it in) would be the very first and probably only human in that world.}}

{{Rikloud|text=what a coincidence that is another world I was thinking of using in one of my fan-fictions}}
{{BebopKate|text=Aww, no love for ''The Emperor's New Groove''?  Bonus points if Sora gets turned into a llama!

Then again, you run into the same problem as ''Hunchback'', as the magnificent Eartha Kitt is no more.}}

{{TNE|text=Aw crud ! But ew, '''Sora''' turning into a llama ? Kuzco nailed the part well because of his long hair. I can't imagine a llama with spikes !}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|lol no offense, i do really like the movie myself but its kinda hard to picture that movie as a world. Though I always pictured Kuzco in his llama form as a summon for some reason, i dunno, take a potion and turn heartless into items? XD lol}}

{{TNE|text=Okay, since the header said Birth By Sleep, I doubt it too. But as Nomura indicates, KH is a trilogy. Let's hope for the very last episode of KH it comes......}}
{{BebopKate|text=Spikey-haired llamas aren't too far fetched; llamas rarely comb their hair, after all. ^_^  But yeah, the movie is a little goofy compared to the others picked for ''Kingdom Hearts'' so far.  It would be a good setting for mini-games, though, similar to 100 Acre Wood.  Imagine Sora, Donald, and Goofy trying to make their way out of the gorge.  Or a rail course based on the roller coaster into Yzma's lab.  I like the idea of a Kuzco summon, though.  Or Kronk.  "Would you like a spinich puff?"

Now I have an image of Kronk in Radiant Garden teaching Yuffie and Aerith how to speak squirrel.  I think I need to go to bed.}}

{{TNE|happytext=Uh, squeakly squeak... squeakel ! ^_^}}

{{Rikloud|text=I like the idea of using Atlantis as a world I can already imagine Commander Rourke as a boss in both human and crystal forms}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|so much squeaking lol. that can be possible of the atlantis world, plus i always did wanna get my hands on Rourke for what he did in the movie lol.}}

{{PrincessAndie|text= NOT THE BLACK CALDRON!!! THAT IS THE SADDEST MOVIE EVER!!! }}

== Worlds ==

{{KrytenKoro|I think, if we're going to list Sora, Donald, and Goofy as characters in the various worlds, the other who appear there should count as well - Jiminy, who is always with them, and Riku and Mickey, who also go through the KH worlds.

If you're taking Riku and Mickey out because they did not go through the actual world, but merely a Castle Oblivion floor, then never mind about them. But Jiminy should definitely stay.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|That was just my focus in terms of riku and king mickey yeah. and sorry about the jiminy thing, I know that he did go with them in every world, but I was trying to sort it for how they appeared in the storylines in each world. Like in KH one, he was in disney castle, traverse town and monstro. I was just going by story like when you see them in the cutscenes and dialogue scenes. That's all. Again, not trying to cause a problem here.}}

== Pixar Worlds? ==


{{HeartlessSlayer|I'm sure this is something a lot of people have thought of recently, if there were any Disney pixar movies they could use, which do you think would work best and how? Plus I did find out that it may be impossible for them to use the pixar movies because they're just as strict with the copyrights as the Tarzan licence.}}

{{yer mom|text=Oh I'm definitely hoping for Toy Story to show up!! Toy Sora VS Zorg would look awesome!! Or maybe just against Cid's dog? Who knows but I'd love to see it. After all Toy Story does have the whole friendship theme and stuff that might fit into KH... or maybe I'm just hoping too much 8D

By the way, nice to meet you, I'm sort of new around here. (I would've said 'I'm Yer mom' but that just sounds wrong, disadvantages of picking a double edged user name).}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Lol its ok, I'm aware, I haven't been on the internet for so long to know the difference between a harmless username and an actual insult for nothing you know lol. Anyways, to be honest, Toy Story is kinda on the iffy side for me, the way I've noticed how the Kingdom Hearts series worked is that they mostly take worlds based off of anything involving fantasy, nothing with a hint of real life unless they can find a way around it. But in a way, I could picture the toys from that movie taking refuge at Traverse Town or even be part of a nursery at Radiant Garden before it was taken over and turned into Hollow Bastion. In my opinion, I can only picture 2 movies being useful and having potential in the series, Monsters Inc. and The Incredibles, but again, its just what I think lol.}}

{{yer mom|text=How about Finding Nemo? It would be such a NIGHTMARE to control a fishy Sora lol! Not to mention he'd have to control the keyblade with his fins XD!! 

I like the idea of Monsters Inc. being a world, with Donald being afraid of ze monsters and freaking out. It would be hard to pick a party member for that world tho, since both Sulley and Mike could be considered as the movie's main characters.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Hmm... that one I am not too sure about, probably most people won't take it seriously. As for the Monsters Inc. I think it would be more of Sulley, he was more like the main character while Mike was like a main buddy, but if Sulley had a limit, i can bet Mike would be a part of it too, like Mulan and Mushu lol. 

As for possibilities of others, well, I could picture Lightening McQueen and Mater working together on different gummi prints or a new design of transportation from world to world, Remy, Alfredo and Collette cooking to come up with different kinds of potions and ethers that the moogles can't and Wall-E as a summon =p.}}

==Talk Template Archive==
{{TNE|text=You might've heard of the [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Talk Template Archive|Talk Template Archive]] that came into existence quite a while ago. Right now, I'm not the only one contributing to the page as BebopKate, Xiggie and Ultima are also working on it. All the talk bubbles there are for public use.

The question is, should it stay where it is, or should it be moved to the public domain (Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Talk Template Archive) ?

Have your say at [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne/Talk Template Archive]]. I'm waiting for your feedback ! ^_^}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|To be honest, it doesn't really matter to me ^^;, and I hope you don't mind that I put mine there as an option}}

==Ansem or Xemnas?==
{{HeartlessSlayer|This was something I've been thinking about for a while now and I am curious. Who does anyone think is the better villain between the 2?}}

==Happy Birthday!==
{{BebopKate|text=See, someone remembered. ^_^

May you have fun vine swinging and getting thrown around by Kerchak!}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Aww, thanks a lot ^_^, it means a lot to me that somebody here remembered *hugs* I always have fun swinging while avoiding Kerchak at the same time. XD}}
{{yer mom|text=I don't know if it's still your birthday by the time you get this but in my country it still is!!! So happy b-day, hope you get a lot of presents, because that's the whole point of getting a birthday right? Ha ha! Or at least a cake ^^  <3}}

== Don't slay me, I just wanted to say this ==

{{PrincessAndie|text=Clayton ( next to the card ) looks like he got kicked in the face. No 
offense if you like that pic, just giving my opinion. LOL.}}

==World Images==
{{Guardian Soul|text=I saw that you were able to get us an image of the Deep Jungle world.  Do you think you can get us the other KH1 worlds as well?}}

==FanArt==
{{Marexl|time=03:13, 13 August 2009 (UTC)|angry=Stop uploading fan art. And if it's deleted, keep it that way.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Even if its just on the person's own page about themselves? Good grief, but I swear the card is NOT fanart. I have the screencap to prove it. http://www.gamespot.com/gba/rpg/kingdomheartschainofmemories/images/0/203/ . But what's the harm with the fan art? Its not as crazy as the other's that has been submitted and deleted on the site. I don't want to cause trouble but I jst don't understand why it keeps getting deleted, what is the "edit summary" and why is it not allowed on a member's own page if they don't put it anywhere else on the site?}}

{{Marexl|time=03:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)|text=Improper name. Of course you need to give an image a proper name like instead of mine being lik X-24480Rikku.jpg it's be Rikku.jpg}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=You can put those images on your userpage, but you need to host them on photobucket.  Otherwise, they'll just be deleted.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Ok, if I knew that, I would've done that a long time ago. Again, I am not trying to cause trouble. You all know that right? But still, what about the card image? I've shown the link to the actual site that shows the actual screencap, and they did say that with a gameshark you can use the card. What about that?}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=Okay, the card is fine.  And like I asked above, do you think you could possibly get us images of the KH1 worlds like you did with Deep Jungle?}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Ok, thank you, i just wanted to clarify that up, I wouldn't be trying to say it was true if I knew it wasn't. As for your request, I'll see what I can do, it wasn't easy, I can scan them from my player's guide by Brady Games, the hardest part though is cleaning it up to give it either a white or black background. For all of the images I've submitted, I always had to use photoshop to clean it up the best I can, which explained the little black spot of the Riku image I submitted a while back, it was the best image I could find from that book.}}

== Kingdom Hearts 2 darker? ==

{{HeartlessSlayer|This may seem like a silly question but how is KH2 darker? From my experience, the very first game felt very dark. Whereas KH2 actually felt...lighter. Does anyone know what I mean?}}

I see what your getting at. KH2 was much less depressing, and while Kingdom Hearts ended on a riumphant note, KH seemed more bittersweet.([[User:Bananaphone1996|Bananaphone1996]] 04:05, June 10, 2010 (UTC))

==I need you to take a look at this==
{{TNE|time=03:09, September 11, 2009 (UTC)|text=It's about the categories coming out of the userboxes. Please see [[KHWiki talk:Userboxes/Characters#Admins, mods and frequent users, I need your attention !|this page.]]}}

==World Images==
{{GS|time=00:07, September 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=Did you ever get around to cutting out more world images?  It would be really helpful, as I'm trying to use them in the world templates now.  If you can't cut them out, it would be great if you could at least scan them.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Sorry, have been busy with school work, but I am working on it now. Its hard to find them online. I had to relocate the treehouse image of that world since it was changed with the template of that world so I relocated the Treehouse in the gallery. And I uploaded the template world again hoping to enlarge it again, but I decided not to do so but don't know how to delete that image so you can delete the one I just recently put up if you want, I figured some viewers might've liked a bigger image. However, here's a thought, if I scan the worlds, could you or know someone who can properly clean it up?}}

{{GS|time=00:15, September 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=I can find someone to clean them up, I just need them scanned.  Does the KH2 guide have world images as well?}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|No promises, cause unfortunately, compared to the first player's guide, Brady Games decided to go crazy with fancy texting in the book, making it a little bit harder to clean it up without removing parts of the image. BTW, while we're at it, could someone also help the KH1 Selphie image I loaded a while back? I noticed somebody was kind enough to do that for Tidus and Wakka. Also, in prior to our last convo concerning the Jungle King card that was shown in an official screencap, where can I put that so it won't cause a problem?}}

{{GS|time=00:32, September 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=I don't mind if there's text in the way.  Just scan the pages and link me to them, that would be swell.  I'll get someone to work on the Selphie image, and I would like to know what exactly you want to do with the Jungle King card.  As for the world images that we really need for the templates, these are the most important below.}}

*Traverse Town
*Wonderland
*Olympus Coliseum (Kingdom Hearts II)
*Monstro
*Atlantica (Kingdom Hearts II)
*Halloween Town (Kingdom Hearts II)
*Neverland
*Hollow Bastion (Kingdom Hearts II)
*End of the World
*Twilight Town
*Disney Castle
*The World That Never Was
*100 Acre Wood (Kingdom Hearts II)

{{GS|time=00:32, September 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=Now if the KH2 versions of those are a problem, that's fine, we can go with the KH1 versions, I mean having all of the world images would be swell, but I think the templates should use the most updated world images if possible.  Also, you don't have to do this right now, or at all if you don't want to, but the world titles for KH2 are some things we don't have either.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Ok, here's the update, I managed to do the scanning and I got these images}}

'''World Images:'''
*Traverse Town
*Wonderland
*Olympus Coliseum (Kingdom Hearts I)
*Agrabah (Kingdom Hearts I)
*Monstro
*Atlantica (Kingdom Hearts I)
*Halloween Town (Kingdom Hearts I)
*Neverland
*100 Acre Wood (Kingdom Hearts I)
*Hollow Bastion (Kingdom Hearts I)
*End of the World
*Disney Castle
*The World that Never Was

'''World Titles:'''
Pretty much all the worlds of KH2 except HB since its already up, also have End of the World

{{HeartlessSlayer|How would you prefer me to send them to you? Should I just upload them onto here? Or post them from photobucket?}}

{{GS|time=04:26, September 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=Just link them from photobucket.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|I have them on photobucket, but unfortunately this site won't properly show the links. So what should I do then?}}

{{GS|time=06:19, September 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=I don't understand what you mean.  All you have to do to show the links is post the links directly.  No fancy coding.}}

Example:

http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu78/coconut_express/002a1chh.jpg

{{GS|time=06:22, September 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=If it still won't work for some reason though, just upload them to the wiki and I'll take care of them.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|I tried again but for some reason it still won't let me, I don't know why. Its like, everytime I tried to post the link, the preview shows that half of it has been cut off so it can't be accessed. So I'll just upload them onto here. It'll be much easier for me. Oh and before I forget, regarding my question about the Jungle King card, I was thinking it should be put on the page with the keyblade of the same name, since there was a trivia point saying that it could be accessed with a gameshark. For the stats, I honestly have no idea because I was never able to try it so if anybody knows it, they can add it themselves.}}

{{GS|time=16:17, September 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=I don't suppose there would be a problem with that, as long as you make it clear that you can only get it through Gameshark.

Thanks a bunch for getting me the scans, they should be helpful.  Were you unsuccessful in getting the KH2 versions of the other worlds?  I know some of them were probably cut off by writing, but I could easily edit them.  It's okay if you don't want to scan them though.  Thanks again, I'll get these cleaned up.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Will do. Also, I wasn't sure if you still needed them cause it looked like they were already up on their pages. Or were those the ones you did not want to use?}}

{{GS|time=21:20, September 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=I still want them, because the ones on the pages in the galleries are too small or of bad quality and can't really be used in the templates.  Also, I'll get the titles done too, just give me some time.

Btw, I think the most important world image to get from KH2 is the Radiant Garden one, because we don't have an image of the new Hollow Bastion.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Ok, I get ya, I'll get to em as soon as I can. However, I regret to inform that I have none for Radiant Garden, they kept it all as Hollow Bastion in the guide, probably to avoid spoilers for those who skips to the last page to avoid playing the game.}}

{{GS|time=21:42, September 27, 2009 (UTC)|text=I don't mean the title, I mean the world image.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Oh yes, I forgot to mention, there is no world image for that also in the book.}}

== Why delete facts. ==

Why did you delete the fact I posted on the [[Chicken Little]] page about him being the first Disney Pixar character in the Kingdom Hearts series in which is 100% true and seems worth putting in trivia.

{{HeartlessSlayer|Not to sound rude but Chicken Little was actually not created by Pixar, it was Disney's very first 3D movie without Pixar's help when they made the move to go from 2D to 3D animation. The same goes for Meet the Robinsons and Bolt, they would've said so if they were made by Pixar in the first place. So far the KH series has never used a Pixar movie for a world because it would be hard to get copyright permission, that's why they lost the usage of the Tarzan world for Chain of Memories.}}

== Would You Like To Join The Organization? ==

{{CKX|time=[[User:Coroxn|Coroxn]] 14:06, November 8, 2009 (UTC) (UTC)|text= Would you? I'm in. Tell me if you want to join. I can pull strings. http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User:Marluxia1/Organization_XIII}}

==TDI Wiki==
{{BebopKate|time=02:13, November 20, 2009 (UTC)|text=Wow, Total Drama Island indeed. ^_-  Seriously, a ''president''?  Ah, youth!

First, I want to ask is there a fan wiki yet?  If not, I might (gently) go ahead and propose starting one.

As for the rest, all I really feel comfortable suggesting is massive amounts of patience.  ''Massive'' amounts.  Keep making quality edits and pick a focus, like incorporating trivia or cleaning up character articles.  Point out quality work you see on other wikis you frequent.  If it gets frustrating or abusive, stop.  There's no reason to drive yourself crazy over a wiki.  Come back in a couple of months; editors will come and go and you might find someone like minded to help you out.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|From what I've seen, unfortunately not, they don;t have a link to that on there, they just keep posting stuff about fan rps and keep uploading fan pics, which most of them have been stolen, ones made by my friends, NOT cool >:/.

Patience, yeah, that's something I know I need a truck full of to deal with those guys. As for the edits, I do but when it comes to spoilers, nobody can. Only admins have control of the pages, but my real problem is that while I know that there are fans who want spoilers, like we do on here, but they don't respect those who don't want spoilers by putting them on the actual article before a new episode actually aired. That's where my debate was with them.

As well, all I mostly kept seeing were talk pages everywhere regarding characters, episodes, new material, relationships, conflicts etc. Which is not a problem, but I just don't think it should be on the actual wikia. Though again, that can be debatable, its not that I don't wanna take that away from them, but its just that they turned that site into another Facebook. What's your say on that?}}

{{BebopKate|time=02:38, November 20, 2009 (UTC)|text=Have you suggested a formal spoiler policy?  Maybe you can create a forum topic people can sign to get a feel for how many people would want one, especially if you know you're not the only one.  It's usually people who do it because they think it makes them look cool and don't realize or don't care about how awesomely rude they're being.  As for stolen fan art, have you notified the artists, both friend and non-friend?  They at least have the right to know where their works are being displayed.

And yeah, they do seem to be a very social wiki.  Reminds me of a certain wiki a few months ago...hmmm, what was that one again? ^_-  Does TDI have an IRC channel?  That might take some of the pressure off.  Otherwise, just ignore the social bits and edit.  Kill them with quality, as it were.  I really wish I could offer something like "Here's how to program a button to kick off all the fan peoples", but I'm sure you realize just rushing in there with demands isn't going to get anything than a lot of defensive people.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|I have never even thought of that O_o. I'll have to consider that, maybe this weekend I can give that a try and see how many people will agree to that. And yeah, already I felt that there were some rude people, even when trying to clear up that I never want to cause fights and apologize for my actions, I always feel like they don't care. As for the fan art...(cracks knuckles) still working on it ever since I found out about it, they just don't quit.

You had that kind of experience too? Huh, you actually made me feel better knowing that I'm not alone on that XD;;. I don't know also about the IRC channel, what is that? Lol yeah, don't we all? And too true, rushing things won't help, but I can try what you suggested to me and try to propose those ideas. And then see what happens from there, I'm sure that there are some people that wants the wikia site controlled by don't wanna take the social stuff away from them.}}

==Remodelling of the MOS==
We were supposed to remodel the MOS somewhere last October but it turns out that the games have been released before we deliberated on anything.

Please join me on [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa#Remodelling of the Manual of Style|this page]] and raise the issues that you believe need to be raised in the MOS, or anywhere at all.

I'll be waiting ! <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#2A52BE">Agi Idup</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#1E90FF">Agi</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#71A6D2">Ngelaban !</font>]]'''</big> 04:22, January 30, 2010 (UTC)