Editing Talk:Organization XIII

==Shall==
Shall we had new info on the Organization that was revealed in the Final Mix version.[[User:DarkLordofChaos90|DarkLordofChaos90]]

Yes. BTW, does anyone have the in-battle quotes from Re:COM?
:OMG, they are so hard to decipher,(even in KHII its hard to tell the quotes, and thats in English...) its not even funny. I got some of them down though, if you want them. [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 00:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
:Yes please.[[User:CyberXIII|CyberXIII]] 00:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Heh, just as I realize I don't have it written down, but anyway, from memory....
:::Axel-Doushita, doushita? (what, what? (like taunt)) kiokusitaka? (Got it memorized?) honouniyakkarero! (burn in the flames!) madaowaranze (something about "its not over yet", or it means "its over", or something like that)oiyo, anatagakeshiteiru (I shall annihilate you) moete! (burn!)
:::Larxene- ikazutuyo (lightning)kienai (can't escape!) saigonina(here's the end(for you)!) waruiwane~(how pitiful...) ...kowastyauwa (I'll break you!(referance to the "Oh, I won't break the toy..."))
::I'll put the rest later, since I'm not sure if half of these are right anyway.... [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 03:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Xehanort's Heartless himself does not have an Org cloak in KH2. That is Riku in Xehanort's Heartless' form.

**i found a decent organization XIII myspace...
you guys should check it out..

http://www.myspace.com/ThirteenLostHearts


==weapon names==
hey this isent a big thing so its cool if nothing happens. So i don't know how to put this but you know how sore wields the keyblade but it has a name (depending on the keychain) and leon uses a gunblade but its the revolver so yeah i guess its like the weapons are named and thanks to 358/2 we now know the names of the organisations weapons, so I was thinking isen't that worth note. Perhaps just something little like in could be in brkets after e.g. 8.Axel; "The Flurry of Dancing Flames;" Controlled Assassins, used the attribute of Fire and twin Chakram (Eternal Flames). but yeah again its no biggi.

== Umm... ==

They don't wear hakama... What the hell? Where the hell did that come from? Fix it.

== Suggestion ==

I noticed that in the trivia it mentions that Sora may have recovered his memories of the dead organization members by reading their graves. Couldn't it also be possible that he gained the infomation from Ansems computer? - Redlight11 16/2/09


Possible, but unlikely. Sora really doesn't use the computer exept to go to the Space Paranoids. I'm the one who put that in the trivia and I didn't think of that. I won't mind if you add it in there though. -[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

Added it and it was removed, that's a no then? -Redlight11

Guess so. iIt really wasn't likely at all. Sora rarely uses it and orobably barely knows how to use such a complex piece of machinary.
-[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

== Organization Collage Picture ==

The current Collage Picture we have seems to be lacking somewhat in quality. I propose we use this image I made myself. [http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2392/organizationxiiicollagezz6.png Organization XIII Collage][[User:Bowser the Second|Bowser the Second]] 11:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure, go with that. [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 18:39, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

== The Nobodies Heartless ==

If Xehanort had a special heartless AND a special Nobody, wouldn't the rest of Organization XIII too? Excluding Xion. 21:43, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
::Most probally, to keep a form it seems you need to have a strong heart & to willingly accept the darknes. Xehanort did and so his heartless kept its form (not becoming a shadow,darkside etc) and his nobody was born, chances are the apprentices, Xigbar, Xaldin, Vexen, Lexeaus & Zexion gave there hearts willingly too so theres a strong chance there heartless do, but its unknown if the remaining members gave there hearts willingly or they just became corrupted so there heartless might have been a super powerful, but did not look like them. Ximodnic 17 Febuary 2009

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i think that the organizations problem is that they dont know what or where there heartless is because once they controled roxas if they knew who there heartless were, then they would just send him to kill that heartless so they could reclaim there heart. instead because they dont know who there heartless were they had to start killing as many as possible hopeing that one of them is going to be the right one.
--[[User:Foutlet|Foutlet]] 17:03, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

== Death ==

Just a thought I had, has anything official ever specifically said that any members of Organization XIII have died? It's been said that they've been "eliminated", or they've "met their end", with the most specific answer being they've "faded back into Darkness", but nothing has ever been said they aren't alive. But that brings up the fact that Nobodies aren't actually "alive" in the first place. I've narrowed it down to three possible answers: 1-I'm overthinking the whole thing and they all are dead. 2-Only Xemnes is alive because his element is Nothingness and could have used it to save himself. 3-All the members could still be alive somewhere because as Nobodies, they didn't have lives to loose in the first place. The most likely place they would be the Realm of Darkness, since they've faded back into Darkness. 
-[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

{{TNE|text=True, for the fact that they haven't any lives to protect, we can't say they actually "died", did they ? I guess the words that befit this context are "eliminated" or "met their end".

About what you said of Xemnas being alive even as a Nobody - it sounds quite convincing. Take a look at how he disappeared, compared with the rest of the Organisation members. Xemnas disappeared twice (and he didn't disappear like Axel did in Re:Chain of Memories), and when he '''did''' disappear at the end... it was more dramatic than any other member's disappearance.}}

Yeah, but the dramatic disappearance was probably because he was the leader and final boss, but it could've been fake. I think he's still alive. He always said "I am Nothing" and Riku once said that Nothingness probably goes on forever. Also, that picture from Coded with Mickey, Donald, and Goofy looking at someone in one of those cloaks. They looked scared like it was an enemy, which rules out Riku. When I put it all together, it's really sounds true. -[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

xehanort's heartless was kept alive inside Riku (Chain of memories) so it is possible that Xenmas lives somehow. However I think that it's safe to say that we wont be seeing any of the members of the organization again. Their heartlesses however, remain to be seen. The phrase "eliminated" was used throughout the kingdon hearts games, mostly oin the journel, however it is used by a few of the organization members at some point.- [[User:Redlight11|Redlight11]] 22:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

If you guys have noticed whenever in Kingdom Hearts 2 you kill a nobody enemy they disappear in a flash of light, but all of the Organization XIII members disappear into darkness so maybe they still are alive.[[User:The Luna Diviner|The Luna Diviner]] 03:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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|text=Its interesting indeed, but I think their "deaths" was just more of the fate of all nobodies is to fade back into darkness since they don't truly exist since they're not beings of either light or dark. Which also explains their get up, its to protect themselves from going back into the darkness. So I think if all of their essence or health (whatever you prefer has been drained in battle, they would be doomed to fade back into the darkness. But that's just what I understand at least. So I honestly think they're gone, not dead physically, but spiritually probably.}}

{{TNE|text=@xNaminex : If I'm not mistaken, Xemnas isn't the only one to "die" like that. Axel did the same too.}}

{{NitrousX|text=What if they created replicas of themselves for their essence to return to.}}

{{The Luna Diviner|text=In a way I agree with Xemnas's line before the final battle, If Light and Darkness are eternal then Nothingness must be the same, Eternal.}}

{{Flashpenny | Remember what Yen Sid said about Nobodies: Heartless are the hearts, but Nobodies are the body and soul. So if you think about it the Organization are really nothing more than ghosts. They're spirits doomed to roam the worlds until they can become whole. Also I think the Darkness they fade back into is supposed to be synonomous with another cruel fate that one fades into after doing bad deeds (coughcoughEternalDamnationcoughcough).

Also do keep in mind that Xemnas '''harnesses''' nothing, he's not nothing itself. Nothingness itself existed long before he did. They said so just before the final battle:
Xemnas: "If Light and Darkness are eternal, then we nothings must be the same... eternal."
Riku: "You're right, Light and Darkness are eternal, Nothing probably goes on forever too. But guess what Xemnas?"
Sora: "That doesn't mean you're eternal."
Xemnas: "No more eternal than that radiance that is yours."
Riku and Sora pointed out that Xemnas really just harnesses nothing and Xemans admitted to it, so that rules out the possibility of him rising back from the dead.

As for Xemnas fooling them with his original disappearing act, that doesn't mean he's not dead. Remember that many of the Organization members who kicked the bucket probably would've done so anyway as they suffered very fatal wounds. Axel got engulfed in a blazing inferno, Vexen got immolated, Zexion got throttled, Lexaeus got his gut sliced open, Luxord got sliced in half and Xemnas got impaled by Sora on a beam of light (yes, that did kill him). Xemnas fooling Sora and Riku was just proving how powerful he truly is: he could fake it. The 2nd one however isn't fake since the army of Nobodies that appear afterwards immediately explode as a result of Xemnas' death.

Bottom-line: they're dead, deal with it.}}
{{KrytenKoro|If I am remembering correctly, when Nomura said that defeated Heartless return to the ether until reunited with their bodies, I think he said their Nobodies do the same too. So, the Nobodies in the Organization no longer exist - so for example, the personality that is Xigbar no longer is. But when the next reformat is, like when they destroyed End of the World, the defeated Nobodies and Heartless will be reformed as people if they can be. So, Braig can still be, since he hasn't actually "died" yet.}}

== The gravestone Theory ==

I decided to start playing the game again >_>. I just finished Hallow Bastion (The battle of 1000 heartless, etc) and noticed afterwards that the entries for the eliminated Organization XIII members appear in the journal. (Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, Marluxia and Larxene) This is long before Sora reaches their gravestones in The World that Never Was. Does this not make the theory that Sora gained the information from that source impossible? - Redlight11

I suppose it does. But what event in the storyline would cause Sora to remember them? I restarted the game too, but i'm pretty far away from the war still. -[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

Hmm well.. Sora did meet Xenmas there, that could have triggered suppressed memories. Also, Sora went into "The relm of Darkness" where he found the picture. That could have triggered something. Or it could have just been that the creaters of the game thought that would be as good an oppertuinity as any to stick the entries in. - Redlight11

huh... probably a combination of the three. I'll change the trivia. Thank you for the info! -[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]
No problem.

I've been replaying KH2 as well, and have been checking the journal for updates as many times as possible throughout the game. I first noticed the other Org. 13 members' entries after the cutscene where you meet Sephiroth for the first time. No idea why they would choose then to put them in, but I'm almost positive this is when it happens. Though I suppose they could have also appeared after Mickey tells you that "Ansem" wasn't really Ansem, but I'm not sure. Cheers. --[[Special:Contributions/74.218.254.188|74.218.254.188]] 20:22, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


I got to the place where you fight saix and luxord (where all their graves are) and i noticed why doesnt Xion have a grave if she was somewhat apart of the organization? she ovisuly doesnt survive if she isnt in kingdom hearts II right? And even if somewhat at the end she goes back to her "former self" she still should have a grave like roxas right?

Spoilers --> Wow, haven't been on here in a while! Roxas "absorbs" Xion, making them into one being. Also, Xion wasen't truely a Nobody, so she didn't truely qualify as a member of the organization. -- Redlight11


OH MY GOD

WAIT Wait wait...I just thought of something: Roxas does not use two keyblades until after he defeats Xion and leaves the organization, but his tombstone thing has two keyblades.....Ooo the plot holes. --Black Tornado



BEST THEORY EVER --Zack fair 007 23:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Are you trying to be funny..?

{{Flashpenny | Actually the names pop up after you kill the Dancers but before you fight Demyx. Remember that this is '''Jiminy's''' Journal. Sora probably only really remembers when he reads it. However I think the way they found out was the Space Paranoids. Remember that Xehanort put much of his data in the MCP and there was data floating all over the place. Perhaps Jiminy saw a few names on the ground or something and remembered what happened in Castle Oblivion.

What I want to know is how Zexion and Lexaeus winded up in the Journal. Sora never met them or knew they existed (I know Nobodies don't truly exist but you know what I mean). Hmmm...}}


I think that he found out about Zexion and Lexaeus ( and other members from KH: CoM )from Ansem's computer ( still why didn't he find anything about Xigbar, Axel, Luxord and Roxas ? ) - Jurrak

Maybe the developers just put the entries in there to inform new comers to the series or those who never played CoM what happened to the other five members of the Organization, so they wouldn't be like "OMG WTF? That wasn't 13! They lied! OMG!" and that Sora never remembered anything about them.

== Larxene's weapons ==

I was under the impression that Larxene's weapons were kunai, not throwing knives as listed in the article. Axel's weapons are listed as chakrams rather than throwing discs so why can't Larxene have her weapons called by their proper names too?


:Hello?
{{KrytenKoro|Because that's not their proper name. They look and are used nothing like kunai.

Nomura has officially named them knives, and they look and act like {{w|Stiletto knives}}. There's absolutely no reason to call them kunai, and we have official word that they're knives.}}

{{Xiggie|text=The only chance we'll change it is that is anything else is stated in Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days}}



I hear somewhere that they were called "Shock Charms". But I can't remember where..- Redlight11
{{KrytenKoro|Shock Charm is their name, like Way to the Dawn is the name of Riku's Keyblade.}}

I never really understood that. It's named Way to the Dawn on the menu screen, but yet Riku says it is called Soulstealer.
"You don't need the power of darkness, or my weapon soulstealer yet".

{{KrytenKoro|Soul Eater. Soul Eater is the name of his sword before it becomes a Keyblade.}}

== Fading ==

i know this sounds silly, but since the nobodies are not beings of either light or dark, then why do they fade into the ''darkness''?

{{Xiggie|text=I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think it has something to do with the fact that to become a nobody, you need to become a Heartless/lose your heart and that is a process of Darkness...

...I think I read somewhere that the body and soul fades into the darkness to "reunite" with it's heart or something...}}
{{KrytenKoro|I forget where it was explained (maybe in the Director's Report), but when a Nobody is "killed", the body and soul it contains dissipate in order to reunite with the original heart. If that heart is still a Heartless, the body and soul are just kind of "in the ether", though I suppose Nomura might write it that they just return to being a Nobody. Basically, as long as Sora doesn't kill full people, he could nuke every single Heartless and Nobody and the world would go back to the way it was before.}}


I have my own personal therioes about this. It's alot of speculation into the actual biology of KH (theroy in quotes) "Heartless and Nobodies aren't natural, they were created... albeit accidently. If a creature like a Nobody is defeated, I beleive that they fade into the Realm of Darkness and not into non-existance. Unless they die a natural death, they will continue to live in some from. Similar to the way the Veil Lizard Xion attempted to defeat without her keyblade. It continued to apper to her because the heart wasn't released. But would it and other Emblem Heartless apper again? Possibly" It's a little farfetched, but I think that the Organization might still be alive in the Dark Realm. - Hyperwire_2.0

==Job Classes==
{{SorcerorNobodyTalk
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|text=Just hypothesising, but what do we reckon the corresponding Job Classes are for those not yet known? The ones in italics are my personal theories:
*Xemnas -- {{w|Jedi|<font color="white">'''Jedi'''</font>}}, judging by his weapon (I'm kidding :P)
*Xigbar -- {{ff|Gunner}} or  {{ff|Sniper}}
*Xaldin -- {{ff|Dragoon}}
*Vexen -- {{ff|Alchemist}}?
*Lexaeus -- {{ff|Warrior}}?
*Zexion -- {{ff|Blue Mage}}
*Saïx -- {{ff|Berserker (job)|Berserker}}
*Axel -- {{ff|Assassin}}
*Demyx -- {{ff|Bard}}
*Luxord -- {{ff|Gambler}} (and, to a certain extent, {{ff|Time Mage}})
*Marluxia -- ???
*Larxene -- {{ff|Ninja}}?
*Roxas -- {{ff|Samurai}}
*Xion -- ???
I presume that the corresponding lesser Nobodies will usually have the same name as the job class, since this is the case so far apart from Dancers (and possibly Sorcerers, depending on what Xemnas is classed as)
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{{KrytenKoro|
#Red Mage/Onion Knight (who start with nothing but are more powerful than anything)
#Sniper
#Dragoon
#Defender
#Viking
#Berserker
#Assassin
#Bard
#Gambler/Time Mage
#Necromancer (FFV for GBA)
#Monk
#Samurai
#Darklord
}}

You forgot Zexion, whom I'm going to guess is Blue Mage. [[Special:Contributions/69.205.62.182|69.205.62.182]] 19:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC) No name yet

==Weapon references==
I've probably noticed only a minute amount of references that the weapons have based on their names but I'm sure others can find 'em.

Such as one of Saix's weapons, Lightyear, may be named after Buzz Lightyear, or Zexion's joke weapon could be a reference to Zexion's cooking talents. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 22:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

== When Did Xion Fall? ==

{{XNamineX|text=For the ''Ultimat Fate'' section, in what place was Xion disappear? I'm pretty sure she fell sixth, after the Catsle Oblivion inncident and before Sora wakes up. I don't want to read the spoilers because I want to play the game itself first, can anyone confirm sixth place for me please?}}

She did indeed fall sixth, after Zexion and before Roxas. [[Special:Contributions/69.205.62.182|69.205.62.182]] 19:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC) I can't belive I still don't have a name yet

== Hey did anyone ever notice . . . ==
{{PrincessAndie|text= Hey guys! Did anyone here ever notice how similar this place is to Organization XIII? Here are the familarities i've picked up

1. Admins rule the site. Xemnas and the other older members control the Organization.

2. Older members of the wiki greet newer members and help them make talk bubbles. Older Organization members greet new members and give them their names.

3. Members often become best friends with the members that greet them. Organization members often become friends with other members they get paired with.

Does anyone else see how close these are?}}
{{TNE|text=And the next thing we know, is that this wiki is going to be redecorated in celebration of ''Days''. See [[User:Azul81677/Main Page]].}}


You forgot that both editors and nobodies feel nothing...I'M SO EMPTY INSIDE! [[Special:Contributions/69.205.62.182|69.205.62.182]] 19:21, 19 June 2009 (UTC) I'm like the lesser nobodies that don't have individual names

{{PrincessAndie|text= * angerly * HEY EDITORS DO FEEL THINGS! WE LAUGH, CRY, AND GET MAD LIKE I AM NOW!!!!!! I guess visitors are sort of like the lesser nobodies, but not really, cuz you feel things, unlike nobodies.}}

i think riku is a nobody

Nope, not a visitor anymore. Yay, I've decided to sacrifice my life to this place...
And ''I'' think that Squall, Auron and Cloud are all secret lovers. Totally. [[User:Keyblade Mage|Keyblade Mage]] 12:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

{{JudgmentDay95|time=15:47 18 September 2009 (UTC)|text=Another interesting thing to notice is that the Nobodies share many similarities with the Homonculi from Fullmetal Alchemist. Examples:

1. Both the Homonculi and the Nobodies are not complete beings (Homonculi lack a soul, and Nobodies lack a heart).

2. Both have access to unique powers and hardly show signs of aging.

3. In addition, both are led by a higher power. The Homonculi are led by Father (or Dante in the original anime) and the Nobodies are led by Xemnas.

4. Finally, both the Homonculi and the Nobodies (or at least the Organization and Naminé) look similar to how they appeared as humans, with some minor differences.}}

Well, I might as well throw in my two cents. Their seating in WNG is the same as the Gotei 13 Captain's positions in Bleach. Plus it's the ''number 13''. Anyone want to build on that? [[User:Maggosh|Maggosh]] 01:04, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
{{KrytenKoro|OMG!! Thar R totly 13 Knights of the Round Table and 12 Apostles + Jesus = 13!!!}}

Heres another thing that i noticed and i didnt see it in the info on them but everyone in the organization Has the letter X in there name kinda strange--[[User:Ace mace60|Ace mace60]] 23:59, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

No, it's not. They have an "X" in their name to remind themselves that they are Nobodies. Everyone knows that.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 00:01, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Then why dosen't Namine have an X in her name she a nobody smart one --[[User:Ace mace60|Ace mace60]] 03:33, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Probably because the Organization didn't know that she was Kairi's Nobody at the time. Or maybe it's because Namine is a specail Nobody.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 03:37, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

{{KKD|time=02:11, January 8, 2010 (UTC)|riku=I just realized something. This may be a reference or easter egg, but the newest final  fantasy game is called Final Fantasy: Versus XIII! Easter egg or reference to the plot?}}
:It's ''Final Fantasy XIII: Versus'', so, no. And it's kind of inevitable, given that there were 12 Final Fantasy games before it.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 03:01, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_Versus_XIII No, he's right,] the "Versus" comes before the "XIII".—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 04:40, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
::Well, damn. I was wrong, then.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:14, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
:the answer is still no. not everything with the number 13 is connected to the organization, not to mention FF has been using roman numerals for quite some time before KH. so, again, no. --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 06:22, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
{{KKD|time=06:51, January 8, 2010 (UTC)|riku=Sorry. I just thought it was kinda funny. I know it has nothing to do with KH, it was just an interesting coincidence.(because sora took down Organization XIII)}}

== 358/2 Days Opening ==

Should that be put here? It introduces all the XIII members, so i assumed you could watch it for info. Probably not, but it would still be good to see it up here![[User:CaptainLarryDuck|CaptainLarryDuck]] 09:53, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

== Eye Color ==

{{LOMI|Super=I noticed that there are only four (arguably five) eye colors for the Organization members: Xemnas, Xigbar and Saix all have yellow eyes, Marluxia and Xion have dark blue eyes, Vexen solely has green eyes and all the others have light blue eyes (though one could argue that Axel's are turquoise). Any signifigance, do you think?}}
{{KrytenKoro|Not really, since that's about the range of human eye colors.}}

Also Xaldin's are purple and Xemnas's are orange - Jurrak

{{LapisScarab|time=06:54, January 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Xaldin's are blue, the purple color is an optical illusion created by his lances. Xemnas' are amber orange presumably because of his exposure to darkness.}}

== Xion's death ==

Didn't Xion get captured by Axel?

I thought when Xemnas took her, they turned her evil and ordered her to destroy Roxas. Only, it didn't work and Roxas killed and absorbed her.

xemnas didn't turn xion evil she attacked roxas because she was created to absorb roxas or sora if they didn't help the organisation and by that time roxas had left the organisation so he could find out why he could use the keyblade. yes axel did capture xion after xion run away from the organisation due to riku telling her to find a new crowd

== Confused ==

I'm confused. On the page it says "Roxas died in order of his number" what the heck does that mean?--[[Special:Contributions/125.238.72.9|125.238.72.9]] 11:31, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
:He...died thirteenth.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 11:39, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
I also have no freaking clue what this means. What order is there? Not to mention Roxas never "died" or was destroyed, so what does this trivia actually mean? I'm inclined to delete it, but if there is a real explanation, than it needs to be rewritten. --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 18:41, March 25, 2010(UTC){{Template:ST|time=18:44, March 25, 2010 (UTC)|text=better?}}

== Connections with Ventus ==

Ok, so last night my mind was racked with thoughts about his. Over half the members knew Ventus, do you think they every mentioned it, at least amongst themselves? It might partially explain Axel's friendship with Roxas. Could Xemnas has said something to the other members beforehand like "Yea, I know who he looks like, just ignore it and keep your mouths shut around him or kick you down to a Dusk." God, I need to learn to let stuff go.... [[User:Hyperwire 2.0|Hyperwre_2.0]] 03:03, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

== Has anyone else noticed... ==

So it is very obvious to me that all of the Organization Members (except Xion) NOT killed in CoM have a lower nobody applied to them and those killed during CoM do not; because of that it seems that the "assigning" may have taken place after the events of CoM, but this most likely unimportant and unprovable. (O.. one more thing, Axel is in-charge of the assassin nobodies, but there is another member, "The Graceful Assassin").


==New info in latest interview (BbS spoilers)==
-- There was a new type of keyblade that appeared this time, changing the “key” in keyblade to “X” (The X of the Greek alphabet, pronounced “key”. It also has the meaning of “ultimate” or “death”.) It's quite an excellent name.

Nomura: The name “X-Blade” was Watanabe (Daisuke), the scenario writer's, idea. How the symbol X 'crosses' is symbolic of the crossing of dark and light. The members of Organization XIII get their names by adding an X to the name they had as humans comes from this. Also, the Nobody's mark looks a lot like Eraqus' symbol, but you can probably figure out that the reason this is has something to do with Xemnas. from [http://forums.khinsider.com/spoilers/145648-new-interview-rebirth-wings-need-translation-4.html#post4873236 KHInsider] [[User:Xoaks|Xoaks]] 04:06, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

== dark portal? ==

i was just wondering whats with that dark portal organization XIII always shows up in?
:You could try reading the articles. That's the reason we wrote them.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 21:34, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
well that was mean.:(
:Sorry, wasn't trying to be. It's just that people put a lot of work into the articles to answer questions just like this, and it's kinda annoying when people don't. Check [[Universe of Kingdom Hearts|this page]]. That ought to answer your question.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 21:44, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
okay but what i meant was how do they use them.[[User:Durrf9|Durrf9]] 23:47, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

and i already read the article for organization xiii plus i've only finished one game (all i have is a dsi and wii) [[User:Durrf9|Durrf9]] 23:47, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
:As far as I know it's not really explained beyond the fact that they are "on the side of darkness" or something. That's why Riku couldn't use them anymore after he lost the ability to control the darkness in KHII.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 23:49, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

== Weapon Symbols ==

{{Template:ST|time=18:27, March 24, 2010 (UTC)|text=Does anyone know of anywhere i could find images of the members weapon symbols (the ones on their graves and Garden of Assemblage Portals)}}

== The X is for X-Blade? ==

I don't think that's right. I don't know the exact reason for the X in their names, but I know it's not because of "Xemnas's memories of the X-Blade." [[User:Keyblade474|Keyblade474]] 14:59, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
:According to what I know of the the BBS Ultimania (probably misspelled that), it confirms it is because of Xemnas's memories. If someone could fact check that for me, that'd be great.--[[User:Otherarrow|Otherarrow]] 16:28, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
You are correct: "One year after BbS, Xehanort as well as five other apprentices toss aside their hearts. Then the Nobody Xemnas was born, and the Organization which he creates take a lot of things from his memories as a human. But as Xemnas had two people who he was, Terra and Master Xehanort, he takes from both of their memories...Xemnas gives Organization members names with an X in them. This has something to do with Master Xehanort's interest in the X-Blade." --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 17:43, April 2, 2010 (UTC)



==Thrones==

{{Pteprocks|time=[[User:Pteprocks|Pteprocks]] 17:48, April 21, 2010 (UTC)|text=Does anybody have a list of the order, from highest to lowest, of the Organization's Thrones in Where Nothing Gathers?}}

==Always XIII?==
{{Xeyj|time=[[User:Xeyj|Xeyj]] 07:22, May 11, 2010 (UTC)|text=Has anyone else wondered if Org XIII was Org 13 before Roxas joined, cos that would mean that there was more members who either died or ditched the organization, and that could be in KH3, you are hunting/working with nobodies that ditched the org.}}
::I forget the source, but the plan was always for 13. It might be thought of like the Sins in FMA.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:43, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=''"Count the seats. When have we ever been more than thirteen?"''

From ''Days'' - Oh, I'm sorry, ''Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days'' - in the meeting where Xemnas reveals Xion's true identity, when Roxas asks Saïx what Xemnas said is true and everyone else has left Where Nothing Gathers.

I'd like the record to show that I got that completely from memory, and I haven't played ''Days'' - whoops, ''Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days'' - for seven months. Good day, sir.}}

== Missing Information. ==

Hey, people, or rather (hopefully)the people supplying this site with information. 
I was noticing that, there is missing some information. 

I was curious about the Organization XIII, because all these members, are nobodies, except Xion of course. 

But I was so curious about who were the persons were from whom these nobodies originate, and I read all the articles until I read the articles of "Demyx, Luxord, Marluxia and Larxene". They all lack the information about their original bodies, and this is, sort of, a vexation. 

I'm sorry to bother you about this, and this might not be important, but I still am curious. 
I, although this small lack of information, find this site a really good information source about one of my favourite games ever. 

Keep it up.

Anoq Comir.

{{Pea14733|time=10:52, July 9, 2010 (UTC)|text= Their original names are unknown at this time.}}
{['''The origonal names of numbers 9-12 (deymx, luxord, marluxia, and larxene) are never told in the story but you can have fun guessing at what they could be.

      Abbey :D''']}

== Something I noticed. ==

It struck me that all the organization members original personas' deaths have been intentional (those we know of that is)
Could this somehow be a criteria for becoming a strong nobody?

sorry if I'm being unclear, but I don't know how to phrase it in a better way.

{{R&D|time=20:48, July 10, 2010 (UTC)|isee=I undertand. Maybe be willing to lose you heart is such a strong will that creates a strong nobody. Even Sora willingly lost his heart and created Roxas and to extent Namine.
Sacrifice oneself indeed requires strenght.
EDIT: Please, sing your post with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}}

== Organization XIII in Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep? ==

{{Organization 13|inquisitive=Why is the Birth by Sleep heart on the top left of the page?}}

the first 7 nobodies somebodies are in it and it tell more about them.--[[User:ZACH|ZACH]] 17:45, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Ya but the Sombodies arent in Organization XIII yet. {{User:Organization 13/Sig}} 19:03, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

== More Members? ==

{{RN867|time3:23am|ven= this just kinda hit me but isnt it possible for the organization XIII to reform even though there members have all been killed? cause the members were just powerful nobodies and there's a high chance that more powerful nobodies could be formed..... right?}}

If new powerful nobodies did join together, they probably would not REFORM Org. 13 because they would have no original members; they would just be an completely new group.

== THIS OS GOING TO KILL ME!!! ==

'''Ok on the ranking list it has Zexion as number VI (6) and Siax as VII (7) Zexion is suppost to be number 7 and siax is number 6 i would change this but every time i hit the backspace it goes bake a page. Could soeone please change this for me before i go insane! Thanks'''

{{Pea14733|time=04:39, December 30, 2010 (UTC)|text= What are you saying? Zexion is number VI and Saix is number VII. As shown in Days and KH2.}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=Not to mention CoM and ReCoM.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=05:01, December 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=And the fact that the [[Book of Retribution]] incorporates Zexion's rank into its design.}}
(I'm sensing a pattern here...  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 05:07, December 30, 2010 (UTC))

== KH3D Original Bodies ==

{{AvatarMaster13|time="Something wrong? Raaaaaather..."|rabbit=In the long version of the KH3D trailer, it shows grown up versions of some of the Organization members. Does this mean that they somehow got their original bodies back even thought Sora defeated them? Or is it some kind of flash back to before the game happened? (I know that there is not that much information available about this game yet, but I was just wondering.)}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=The likely conclusion was their respective Heartless had been slain prior to their own Nobody's defeats. Doing so in that order brings about their reappearance.}}


== Separate Page ==


Should we create a new page for the Organization XIII composed of Master Xehanort's incarnations, or should we add it here? --[[User:Littleman|Littleman]] 23:50, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

:I'm not sure. Honestly, it might be better to make a second page.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:06, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. I'll get right on it. I'll even rename this page for good measure. --[[User:Littleman|Littleman]] 02:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

:Don't rename it. You can start a draft, but don't rename this article. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 02:38, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Don't fret. This page is remaining as it is. Besides, I don't even know how to rename things. I did, however, create a new page. It isn't too good, but it's better then nothing, I'll tell you that. --[[User:Littleman|Littleman]] 03:08, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

== Removed sections ==

<pre>
By the time of ''Kingdom Hearts II'', the actions of Sora, Axel, Riku, and the Riku Replica, in addition to the departure of Roxas, reduced the Organization's roster to eight, which were then slain by Sora one-by-one (with the exception of Axel, who sacrificed himself to allow Sora to go and save [[Kairi]]) until only Xemnas remained. Ultimately, Xemnas fell at the hands of Sora and Riku, and Roxas (now a part of Sora once again, but still somewhat independent, as seen in the ending video before the credits) could be considered the sole surviving member. However, as revealed in ''Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance'', Master Xehanort creates a new incarnation of the Organization composed of himself, his incarnations, Xigbar, and Isa.

'''Xemnas''' - Defeated by [[Sora]] and [[Riku]] at the end of ''[[Kingdom Hearts II]]''. He was trying to dispose of the only threat standing between him and Kingdom Hearts. Disappeared in Darkness in what appears to be a black variation of the white Nobody thorns. He was the thirteenth and final member to fall, but his destruction and that of "Ansem" led to the recreation of Master Xehanort as he revives Xemnas to become a member of the new Organization XIII.

'''Xigbar''' - Defeated by [[Sora]], [[Donald Duck|Donald]], and [[Goofy]] in the Hall of Empty Melodies in [[The World That Never Was]]. He started the fight to try to prevent Sora and company from ascending any farther up the castle but disappeared into Darkness. He was the ninth member to disappear, yet is recreated to support the new Organization.

'''Xaldin''' - Defeated by [[Sora]], [[Donald Duck|Donald]], [[Goofy]], and [[Beast]] at [[Beast's Castle]]. He was on a mission to turn the Beast into a Heartless and Nobody. Disappeared into Darkness and wind. Xaldin was the seventh member subject to elimination.

'''Vexen''' - Defeated by [[Axel]] as a way to gain Marluxia's trust. Vexen opposed Marluxia's plot and Marluxia wanted him eliminated. Disappeared by incineration into Darkness. He was the first member to fall. However, he would later become Even once again, due to both he and his respective Heartless meeting their end.

'''Lexaeus''' - Defeated by [[Riku]] while possessed by [[Ansem, Seeker of Darkness]]. He was trying to make Riku use the Darkness inside him. From what is shown in the cutscene of his elimination, he was helpless against Ansem, Seeker of Darkness due to his weakened condition after his brutal fight with Riku. He disappeared into Darkness, and was the third member eliminated, eventually reforming Aeleus.

'''Zexion''' - Defeated by [[Riku Replica]] and [[Axel]]. Axel wanted no evidence of his actions in [[Castle Oblivion]], so when Zexion was extremely weary from his battle with the real [[Riku]], Axel had the [[Riku Replica]] absorb Zexion. He disappeared into gaseous Darkness while engulfed in the Replica's energy. Zexion was the fifth member to fall, which led to the return of Ienzo.

'''Saïx''' - Defeated by [[Sora]], [[Donald Duck|Donald]], and [[Goofy]]. He was confronted simply to try to eliminate the last of the Organization. He disappeared into gaseous Darkness. He was the eleventh to be defeated. Though this led to the return of Isa, his memories from his time as Saïx prompt him to join Master Xehanort and support the new Organization XIII.

'''Axel''' - The only Organization member not killed by anyone. He was eliminated in a sacrificial attack to save [[Sora]] from an army of [[Dusk]]s. Similar to a fire, he seemed to "burn out" into Darkness, resembling ashes. Axel was the eighth member to fall, which led to the return of Lea.

'''Demyx''' - Defeated, by [[Sora]], [[Donald Duck|Donald]], and [[Goofy]]. He was one of the few mentionable people destroyed in the [[Battle of the 1000 Heartless|Battle of 1,000 Heartless]]. He confronted Sora and company just for the sake of battling in the war. He disappeared into Darkness and appeared to have boiled up and evaporated. He was the sixth member to disappear.

'''Luxord''' - Defeated by [[Sora]]. He captured Donald, Goofy, [[Riku]], and [[Kairi]], forcing Sora into one of Luxord's "games." Sora was able to beat him by "winning the game" and slashing through his shield of cards. He disappeared into gaseous Darkness. Luxord was the tenth member to be eliminated.

'''Marluxia''' - Defeated by [[Sora]]. He was trying to destroy Sora since he couldn't control him. Marluxia himself is never actually fought, but after Sora destroys a clone, a machine-like Nobody and an angel-like, feminine reaper, all Marluxia's energy is gone and he is beaten. He disappeared attempting to grab Sora in gaseous Darkness in a flurry of flower petals. Marluxia was the fourth member to disappear.

'''Larxene''' - Defeated by [[Sora]], [[Donald Duck|Donald]], and [[Goofy]]. She was on a mission to kill Sora after her plan fell apart. She would have succeeded, but an attempt to save Sora by [[Naminé]], Donald, and Goofy gave him the strength to fight back, and Larxene eventually met her end. She disappeared into Darkness. Larxene was the second member to fall.

'''Roxas''' - Arguably the only surviving member. Roxas permanently sealed himself within [[Sora]] just before the final battle with Xemnas, willingly giving up his physical existence. Although he is not gone, he was the twelfth member to "fall".

'''Xion''' - While technically not an official member, she was still part of the Organization for a while. She was absorbed by Roxas when battling him and then faded away into Roxas. If she was considered a member, she would be the sixth to be defeated.
</pre>

This kind of "final scorecard" is not only incredibly trivia-ish, but laughably out-of-date and, as of KH3D, totally inaccurate in its intent. The informational content should be retained, but not even Jiminy's Journal keeps a running scorecard of who technically killed which Nobody.

<pre>These lesser Nobodies are called [[Sorcerer]]s, [[Sniper]]s, [[Dragoon]]s, [[Berserker]]s, [[Assassin]]s, [[Dancer]]s, [[Gambler]]s, and [[Samurai]]. Sorcerer Nobodies are under the command of Xemnas. They float over the ground constantly, possessing a grace much like that of Xemnas, and utilize large cubes of nothingness in several ways. They are the most powerful and rarest of the lesser Nobodies. Sniper Nobodies are controlled by [[Xigbar]] and, like him, carry spiky guns that shoot small red crystallized lasers. Dragoon Nobodies are controlled by [[Xaldin]] because of his affinity with wind, and possess a singular lance that mirrors the six that he fights with. Berserker Nobodies are under [[Saïx]]'s power and, as with the previously mentioned lesser Nobodies, hold a weapon identical to that of their master. An observant player will also notice that Berserker Nobodies go through random surges of anger, much like Saïx when he draws upon the power of the moon. Next are the Assassin Nobodies. This group is under [[Axel]]'s control, capable of becoming a circular form similar to Axel's weapon, hiding away for short periods of time before attacking, and causing powerful explosions. Dancer Nobodies are the most colorful of all the lesser Nobody, featuring bright colors such as orange and pink. They are [[Demyx]]'s servants and relate to him due to his musical nature. The Gambler Nobodies are under [[Luxord]]'s rule. Luxord, being a gambler of many things, fights with cards, which they use as well, along with several dice. The final of these lesser Nobodies are Samurai, which [[Roxas]] controls. Samurai wield two {{w|katana}} just as Roxas wields two [[Keyblade]]s, Oblivion and Oathkeeper.</pre>

I really do not see why this needs to be a difficult-to-read list on ''this page'', rather than simply going into their table and having the similarities covered on the lesser nobody page.

<pre>There are a few major differences between the [[Nobody|Nobodies]] within the Organization and the ones that [[Sora]] frequently encounters throughout the game. The average type that Sora fights often have strange features, enhanced speed, metallic skin in shades of white, silver, and blue, and the trademark [[Nobody]] symbol (which doubles as the logo for the Organization). The Nobodies that make up the Organization have human forms with limited special powers, revolving around thirteen different elements. One ability shared by all the members is the power to summon an oval, obsidian portal of darkness that leads to the unseen paths of darkness. These portals are known as Corridors of Darkness. The Organization makes use of the paths to move to and from worlds unseen without fear for their well-being compared to those who are attuned with darkness and still have hearts.
</pre>
...erg.

<pre>
This group's inclusion to the ''Kingdom Hearts'' storyline marks the more mature nature of the ''Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories'' and ''Kingdom Hearts II'' storylines, as they introduce the concepts of duplicity among the villains, minor physical abuse, manipulation of sentimental matters and, on some level, real death. A notable example is the Heartless invasion of Hollow Bastion, Organization XIII's doing, which inadvertently incapacitates [[Goofy]] for a short time, leading even [[Sora]], [[Donald Duck]], and [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]] to falsely believe that he is dead.</pre>

I don't really agree with this, since Maleficent's group was plenty evil and mind-rape seems darker than Goofy getting hit with a rock, but it doesn't belong in the lead anyway since it's about KHII, not the Organization.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:16, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Here's some more that I removed as irrelevant to this specific page.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 06:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

<pre>Some members have different looking coats, for example Axel, whose sleeves are tight around his wrists. Upon closer inspection, it can be seen that the hems of each coat are each slightly different, as well as the shoulder pads (such as those of Demyx and Xigbar, which seem to be slightly pointed).


Other known characters to wear the coat are King Mickey, Riku, Xehanort's Heartless, 
and [[Moogle]]s. Riku obtains his coat from DiZ and it is presumed Mickey also obtains it from him. It is unknown how DiZ or the Moogles obtained them.

In the new cutscenes of ''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix'', every time a missing member is referred to during a meeting, the camera's focus will shift briefly to that said member's throne (such as when Xaldin reminded Axel that, indirectly, he eliminated the traitors Marluxia and Larxene, the camera briefly shifts to view their thrones. The conversation concerns Axel's orders to destroy Roxas and fittingly enough, Roxas's throne is between theirs).

Somewhere in The Castle That Never Was, inaccessible to the player, is the meeting room of the Organization. This area can be accessed with a cheat code, though - the platform with the Organization symbol can be walked on, but none of the thrones can. The game calls the area "Where Nothing Gathers" - suggesting it may have been in the final game as a full area, but was dropped later. 



In the central tower of The Castle That Never Was, there is a room that is something of a graveyard or a place where beings who can't use the portal to darkness use the doorway-like portals to reach other members of the Organization. This chamber has thirteen portals which lead to a certain area throughout the castle, the portals are placed simultaneously along the walls and glow blue if that specific member is alive but red when that one is dead. Starting from Xemnas's which is actually a path to The Altar of Naught, going downwards are two more, then below them are four and after them are eight with a path cutting half way between the portals. The portals lead to large chambers which are areas that the Organization dwell when they are resting. So far only three are known which are the Altar of Naught, where Xemnas resides and the highest point in the castle, Havoc's Divide which is a large slanted balcony were Luxord resides, and Addled Impasse where Saïx lives, which is a large circular room with a balcony made of glass and looks up towards the moon. Note that for gameplay purposes, the gates to Havoc's Divide and Addled Impasse remain active even after Luxord and Saïx are felled. Also, for the same reasons, Roxas's still-active gate (since he still exists within Sora) is broken and rendered unusable, although it still maintains its blue glow. It may be broken, though, due to the fact that while Roxas still exists in Sora, he does not exist physically. Note that Zexion's tombstone was especially broken to hide his weapon's image, (which was not revealed until the release of ''[[Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix]]''), although its lettering can still be read. It is unknown if Xion has or ever had a tombstone and portal.


Ironically, the founding members Vexen, Lexaeus, and Zexion have the lowest chair heights out of the whole Organization. </pre>

==Birth by Sleep section==
I believe that this section is unnecessary within the article as it details the activities of the founding members before they became Nobodies and actually founded Organization XIII. Alternatively, if the 'Birth by Sleep' section is kept, surely a 'Union Cross' section is also necessary as it details the origins of Luxu, Ventus, Lauriam and Elrena? This would also lead to pages like Real Organization XIII needing to be greatly expanded to detail the origins of all the members. To that end, I don't think the Birth by Sleep section adds anything that isn't already covered in the 'Between Birth by Sleep and Kingdom Hearts' section. Floor is open for debate. - [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] ([[User talk:Joveus|talk]]) 15:51, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
:We could perhaps create a seperate page for Ansem’s apprentices which leads into Organization XIII. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 16:05, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
::That seems like a fair compromise. Given the information in the Secret Reports of KH3, are you able to create an updated collage of the members with Isa and Lea included for use on the page? - [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] ([[User talk:Joveus|talk]]) 18:57, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
:::I can make one at some point but right now I’m quite busy with finishing my BA, so I won’t be very active in the image department for a while. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 19:11, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
I do hate to be a broken record but, upon a few re-readings, I really can't find anything in the 'Birth by Sleep' section that is relevant to the Organization XIII page - it's founding members and their motivations are reiterated in the 'Between Birth by Sleep and Kingdom Hearts' section, and those members do not actually set the events leading to the creation of the Organization into motion until after the events of Birth by Sleep have already passed. Are there any other opinions on this? - [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] ([[User talk:Joveus|talk]]) 19:53, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::All the events covered in the Secret Ansem Reports and the intro scene to KH3D needs to be on this page, because it is explicitly explained to be critical to the Organization's founding and original purpose.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:13, 20 April 2019 (UTC)