Editing Talk:Abilities (KHII)

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== Growth Abilities ==

Since we're doing a list of all abilities, I'm going to separate the Growth abilities as well. However, I only have the descriptions for Level 1 and Level 2, and I'm obviously not going to play the game again for different text. Does anyone have a save in which they have the Level 1/2 Growth abilities, or know of a video that shows the description?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 03:38, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

== Questions ==

I don't like the translation for Simba's "Fierce Claw", but "Fiercely Crow" makes no sense, even if it is closer to the pronunciation.

Should it be "Earthshaker" or "Earth Shaker"?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 06:14, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

*also, I am uncertain about "Second Chance" and "Once More".[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:09, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

{{Xhurtemob|time=19:51, February 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=Do you have to press X or O to jump in Final Mix??}}

{{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=02:15, August 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=In english, X attacks and O jumps. It's reversed in japan. X jumps and O attacks.}}

== Original game descriptions ==

Should we record them for posterity?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
:Which ones? If it's the KHIIFM ones, weren't the old ones fan-translations? If it's that KHIIHD gave out different descriptions for abilities that were released in the international version of KHII, then I think they should be kept. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 23:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
It's the latter; there's nothing we can do about the Final Mix ones. The question is, what is the best way to save them? Mouse-hover text?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 00:15, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
:For ''Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX'', we simply added "'''''HD 1.5 ReMIX'''''" to journal entries that changed for ''Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days''. I think we should do the same with these abilities. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 00:18, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I have no idea what you mean by that.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 05:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
:When they changed the journal entries for ''Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days'' in ''HD 1.5 ReMIX'', we preserved the original entry from the original release by keeping it, adding "'''''HD 1.5 ReMIX'''''", and then adding the new entry (See [[Roxas]], for example). I think we should do the same: list the original entry, and then below that, put "'''''HD 2.5 ReMIX'''''" and then put the new entry. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 06:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
That wasn't really a replacement, per se. Also, this table is not a good place for that, in my opinion.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 07:08, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
::Zeldawiki has this triforce symbol they use for notes, which incorporates hover text. We could perhaps use a crown-symbol along similar lines?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:17, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

::::That's easy enough to do. So, for example:
::::::<div style="background-color:#e6e6fa; padding:5px">Increases damage done with fire-based attacks by 20%. Equip more to increase the effect. <span class="explain" title="Original Description: 'Increases damage done by fire-based attacks.'">[[File:Symbol - Crown.png|x15px|text-bottom|link=]]</span></div>
::::Or something like that?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 17:16, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Why can't we just do this:
{|class="wikitable" width="100%"
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|width="38%" |{{nihongo|'''[[Fire Boost]]'''|ファイアアップ|<br>Faia Appu|lit. "Fire Up"}}
|width="6%"|3
|width="36%"|'''KHII:''' Increases damage done with fire-based attacks.<br>'''HD2.5:''' Increases damage done with fire-based attacks by 20%. Equip more to increase the effect.
|width="20%"|Sora (LV 15/23/33), Donald Duck, Mulan, Jack Skellington, [[Bond of Flame]], [[Rising Dragon]]{{FMII}}
|}
{{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:56, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
::To my understanding, the abilities do the same thing, the description has just been clarified.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:41, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

==Equipment Abilities==
We need an explanation on what an Equipment Ability is somewhere on this page, with a redirect. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:23, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

== Anti Glide ==

I'm pretty uncomfortable with listing this here when the game doesn't officially recognize it as an ability. Do we have an Ultimania listing to support it?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:44, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
:[http://kh13.com/forum/gallery/sizes/17482-kh2-ultimania-059/large/ Kind of]. It is listed as one of AntiForm's "basic skills" (基本技), but it's not part of the actual list of abilities, and obviously that means it's not ''really'' a Growth Ability. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 20:38, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
::Do basic skills include stuff like Valor Form's V-slash combo, etc.? If so, I would suggest Anti Glide get merged into Anti Form, as part of its basic mechanics, and removed from here.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:40, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
:::In most cases, basic skills are basically any weapon attack that is not tied to an ability. For most Drive Forms, that's all of the basic, non-finisher attacks. So yeah, probably it shouldn't be here.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 21:56, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
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 ::Do basic skills include stuff like Valor Form's V-slash combo, etc.? If so, I would suggest Anti Glide get merged into Anti Form, as part of its basic mechanics, and removed from here.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:40, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 :::In most cases, basic skills are basically any weapon attack that is not tied to an ability. For most Drive Forms, that's all of the basic, non-finisher attacks. So yeah, probably it shouldn't be here.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 21:56, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
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-|85||[[Second Chance]]||[[Finishing Plus]]||[[Berserk Charge]]
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