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* [[Talk:Abilities (Kingdom Hearts II)/Archive 1|Archive 1]] - January 30, 2010
must...resist urge to move....characters limits to here...must resist...So should character's limit command be moved here?--[[user:NeloAngelo|N/A]]
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Aerial Recovery is an action ability, not a support. [[Special:Contributions/66.17.80.42|66.17.80.42]] 21:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 
 
this might be useful
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/file/935702/48143
Should probably note the fact that the names are rough translations Reflect Guard versus Guard etc.
Most of the Sora attack details seem a bit unnecessary but it's likely to be the best we'll get for the new stuff.
In short read every ability summarize it where you can and use good judgement
 
== Mistake? ==
It states 'Under the name "Ping", Mulan has these abilities accessible; Draw, Hyper Healing and Item Boost' but in the table it says she gains Hyper Healing atfer chaing back from Ping. Is that a mistake?.
 
== Help ==
 
I'm going to try to revamp this sometime this week:
*Organize by ability type
*List "Name" ("Nihongo"), "AP", "Description", "Who/what has it".
 
This should shorten the page drastically by condensing its information. I think I can find the nihongo on my own, though I will need someone to check that I've gotten the right ones and translated it correctly, since there's such a huge difference in ability names. Also, for "Level learnt", that should be part of "who has it" (ex: "Sora (Lv 57)"), with refs for the different growth paths. For abilities gained at a certain point, just say "Sora", with a ref explaining the situation.
 
Notes for the lead:
*Abilities were affected by storyline in KH1 (Cheer, etc.)
*Rewrite the bit about "Any ability that Roxas learns will be passed to Sora once the first chapter ends" or something like that.
*Add note about equipment having abilities now, allowing you to use an Item Slot instead of AP.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 16:18, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, I got Sora's Actions done ([[User:KrytenKoro/Abilities_(Kingdom_Hearts_II)|here]]). We need to replace the ability descriptions with the official ones, though.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 18:20, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, I have all of Sora and his Forms done, with official descriptions where I had them.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 08:33, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 
*Todo: Supporting character's action abilities, add Anti Sora abilities, check Lion Form descriptions.
 
==Equipment==
Which Armor and Accessories provide abilities? Also, are there any other changes to Equipment Abilities with Final Mix?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 19:58, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
:Added note: What ''exactly'' is the name of the abilities that equipment give you?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 19:59, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
== Final Mix Abilities ==
 
{{LAhood|time=02:35, December 15, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'm pretty sure there are some Final mix abilities missing from these lists. I'm not entirely sure, though, it's just that I've seen some unfamiliar abilites in Final Mix videos that I don't see here...}}
{{KrytenKoro|I've checked multiple Japanese sites, and the only Final Mix Action Abilities I've seen listed are Flash Step, Round Break, Aerial Dive, Magnet Splash, and the Limit Form stuff. If you've seen anything else, please list it here and I'll add it to the article.}}
 
== Growth Abilities ==
== Growth Abilities ==


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*also, I am uncertain about "Second Chance" and "Once More".[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:09, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
*also, I am uncertain about "Second Chance" and "Once More".[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:09, January 14, 2010 (UTC)


{{Xhurtemob|time=19:51, February 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=Do you have to press X or O to jump in Final Mix??}}
== Support abilities ==
In case anyone at all is interested:


{{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=02:15, August 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=In english, X attacks and O jumps. It's reversed in japan. X jumps and O attacks.}}
Level-up abilities are sorted as such:
*Generic: Aerial Recovery, Scan, Magic Lock-On, Leaf Bracer
*Sword: Combo Boost, Reaction Boost, Drive Boost, Combination Boost, Air Combo Boost, Lucky Lucky, Finishing Plus
*Shield: Item Boost, Damage Drive, Once More, Defender, Jackpot, MP Rage, Second Chance
*Rod: Experience Boost, Fire Boost, Draw, Blizzard Boost, Negative Combo, Thunder Boost, Berserk Charge


== Original game descriptions ==
Each ability is learned in a cycle of sword-shield-rod-sword-shield. So, if you picked the rod, you would learn rod abilities as early as possibly, then sword abilities, then shield abilities as late as possible.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 19:25, January 14, 2010 (UTC)


Should we record them for posterity?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
== Moved ==
:Which ones? If it's the KHIIFM ones, weren't the old ones fan-translations? If it's that KHIIHD gave out different descriptions for abilities that were released in the international version of KHII, then I think they should be kept. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 23:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
It's the latter; there's nothing we can do about the Final Mix ones. The question is, what is the best way to save them? Mouse-hover text?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 00:15, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
:For ''Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX'', we simply added "'''''HD 1.5 ReMIX'''''" to journal entries that changed for ''Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days''. I think we should do the same with these abilities. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 00:18, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I have no idea what you mean by that.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 05:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
:When they changed the journal entries for ''Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days'' in ''HD 1.5 ReMIX'', we preserved the original entry from the original release by keeping it, adding "'''''HD 1.5 ReMIX'''''", and then adding the new entry (See [[Roxas]], for example). I think we should do the same: list the original entry, and then below that, put "'''''HD 2.5 ReMIX'''''" and then put the new entry. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 06:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
That wasn't really a replacement, per se. Also, this table is not a good place for that, in my opinion.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 07:08, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
::Zeldawiki has this triforce symbol they use for notes, which incorporates hover text. We could perhaps use a crown-symbol along similar lines?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:17, 17 December 2014 (UTC)


::::That's easy enough to do. So, for example:
Because of the now strong overlap between this and [[Sora/Abilities]], I've removed the KHII section from that page. All of that information is available already in this article, but do we need to have the tabular format as well? If so, we could have it be a hide-box or something, to keep it from being too redundant. Please comment below.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 20:55, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
::::::<div style="background-color:#e6e6fa; padding:5px">Increases damage done with fire-based attacks by 20%. Equip more to increase the effect. <span class="explain" title="Original Description: 'Increases damage done by fire-based attacks.'">[[File:Symbol - Crown.png|x15px|text-bottom|link=]]</span></div>
::::Or something like that?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 17:16, 17 December 2014 (UTC)


Why can't we just do this:
{|width="100%" class="wikitable" style="text-align:center"
{|class="wikitable" width="100%"
|-bgcolor="#87ceeb"
|width="4%" style="text-align:center"|'''Level'''
|width="32%" style="text-align:center"|'''Sword'''
|width="32%" style="text-align:center"|'''Shield'''
|width="32%" style="text-align:center"|'''Rod'''
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|4
|[[Scan]]{{KHII}}
|[[Scan]]{{KHII}}
|[[Scan]]{{KHII}}
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|7
|[[Combo Boost]]
|[[Item Boost]]
|[[Experience Boost]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|9
|[[Experience Boost]]
|[[Combo Boost]]
|[[Item Boost]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|12
|[[Magic Lock-On]]
|[[Magic Lock-On]]
|[[Magic Lock-On]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|15
|[[Reaction Boost]]
|[[Damage Drive]]
|[[Fire Boost]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|17
|[[Item Boost]]
|[[Experience Boost]]
|[[Combo Boost]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|20
|[[Leaf Bracer]]
|[[Leaf Bracer]]
|[[Leaf Bracer]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|23
|[[Fire Boost]]
|[[Reaction Boost]]
|[[Damage Drive]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|25
|[[Drive Boost]]
|[[Once More]]
|[[Draw]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|28
|[[Draw]]
|[[Drive Boost]]
|[[Once More]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|31
|[[Combination Boost]]
|[[Defender]]
|[[Blizzard Boost]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|33
|[[Damage Drive]]
|[[Fire Boost]]
|[[Reaction Boost]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|36
|[[Air Combo Boost]]
|[[Jackpot]]
|[[Negative Combo]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|39
|[[Blizzard Boost]]
|[[Combination Boost]]
|[[Defender]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|41
|[[Lucky Lucky]]{{KHII}}<br>[[Drive Converter]]{{FMII}}
|[[MP Rage]]{{KHII}}<br>[[Damage Control]]{{FMII}}
|[[Thunder Boost]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|44
|[[Negative Combo]]
|[[Air Combo Boost]]
|[[Jackpot]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|47
|[[Once More]]
|[[Draw]]
|[[Drive Boost]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|49
|[[Finishing Plus]]
|[[Second Chance]]
|[[Berserk Charge]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|53
|[[Thunder Boost]]
|[[Lucky Lucky]]{{KHII}}<br>[[Drive Converter]]{{FMII}}
|[[MP Rage]]{{KHII}}<br>[[Damage Control]]{{FMII}}
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|59
|[[Defender]]
|[[Blizzard Boost]]
|[[Combination Boost]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|65
|[[Berserk Charge]]
|[[Finishing Plus]]
|[[Second Chance]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|73
|[[Jackpot]]
|[[Negative Combo]]
|[[Air Combo Boost]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|85
|[[Second Chance]]
|[[Berserk Charge]]
|[[Finishing Plus]]
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|-bgcolor="#e6e6fa"
|width="38%" |{{nihongo|'''[[Fire Boost]]'''|ファイアアップ|<br>Faia Appu|lit. "Fire Up"}}
|99
|width="6%"|3
|[[MP Rage]]{{KHII}}<br>[[Damage Control]]{{FMII}}
|width="36%"|'''KHII:''' Increases damage done with fire-based attacks.<br>'''HD2.5:''' Increases damage done with fire-based attacks by 20%. Equip more to increase the effect.
|[[Thunder Boost]]
|width="20%"|Sora (LV 15/23/33), Donald Duck, Mulan, Jack Skellington, [[Bond of Flame]], [[Rising Dragon]]{{FMII}}
|[[Lucky Lucky]]{{KHII}}<br>[[Drive Converter]]{{FMII}}
|}
{{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:56, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
::To my understanding, the abilities do the same thing, the description has just been clarified.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:41, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
 
==Equipment Abilities==
We need an explanation on what an Equipment Ability is somewhere on this page, with a redirect. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:23, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 
== Anti Glide ==
 
I'm pretty uncomfortable with listing this here when the game doesn't officially recognize it as an ability. Do we have an Ultimania listing to support it?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:44, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
:[http://kh13.com/forum/gallery/sizes/17482-kh2-ultimania-059/large/ Kind of]. It is listed as one of AntiForm's "basic skills" (基本技), but it's not part of the actual list of abilities, and obviously that means it's not ''really'' a Growth Ability. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 20:38, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
::Do basic skills include stuff like Valor Form's V-slash combo, etc.? If so, I would suggest Anti Glide get merged into Anti Form, as part of its basic mechanics, and removed from here.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:40, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
:::In most cases, basic skills are basically any weapon attack that is not tied to an ability. For most Drive Forms, that's all of the basic, non-finisher attacks. So yeah, probably it shouldn't be here.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 21:56, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
 
== Table ==
 
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|-style="{{style|kh2|a}}; font-size:12px"
!rowspan="2" style="width:10%"|Level
!colspan="3"|Ability
|-style="{{style|kh2|b}}; font-size:12px"
!style="width:30%"|Sword
!style="width:30%"|Rod
!style="width:30%"|Shield
|-
|4||colspan="3"|[[Scan]]
|-
|7||[[Combo Boost]]||[[Experience Boost]]||[[Item Boost]]
|-
|9||[[Experience Boost]]||[[Item Boost]]||[[Combo Boost]]
|-
|12||colspan="3"|[[Magic Lock-On]]
|-
|15||[[Reaction Boost]]||[[Fire Boost]]||[[Damage Drive]]
|-
|17||[[Item Boost]]||[[Combo Boost]]||[[Experience Boost]]
|-
|20||colspan="3"|[[Leaf Bracer]]
|-
|23||[[Fire Boost]]||[[Damage Drive]]||[[Reaction Boost]]
|-
|25||[[Drive Boost]]||[[Draw]]||[[Once More]]
|-
|28||[[Draw]]||[[Once More]]||[[Drive Boost]]
|-
|31||[[Combination Boost]]||[[Blizzard Boost]]||{{c|Defender|ability}}
|-
|33||[[Damage Drive]]||[[Reaction Boost]]||[[Fire Boost]]
|-
|36||[[Air Combo Boost]]||[[Negative Combo]]||[[Jackpot]]
|-
|39||[[Blizzard Boost]]||{{c|Defender|ability}}||[[Combination Boost]]
|-
|41||[[Lucky Lucky]]||[[Thunder Boost]]||[[MP Rage]]
|-
|44||[[Negative Combo]]||[[Jackpot]]||[[Air Combo Boost]]
|-
|47||[[Once More]]||[[Drive Boost]]||[[Draw]]
|-
|49||[[Finishing Plus]]||[[Berserk Charge]]||[[Second Chance]]
|-
|53||[[Thunder Boost]]||[[MP Rage]]||[[Lucky Lucky]]
|-
|59||{{c|Defender|ability}}||[[Combination Boost]]||[[Blizzard Boost]]
|-
|65||[[Berserk Charge]]||[[Second Chance]]||[[Finishing Plus]]
|-
|73||[[Jackpot]]||[[Air Combo Boost]]||[[Negative Combo]]
|-
|85||[[Second Chance]]||[[Finishing Plus]]||[[Berserk Charge]]
|-
|99||[[MP Rage]]||[[Lucky Lucky]]||[[Thunder Boost]]
|}
{{tab|c}}{{tab|Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix}}
{|border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 style="text-align:center; font-size:10px; width:525px"
|-style="{{style|kh2|a}}; font-size:12px"
!rowspan="2" style="width:10%"|Level
!colspan="3"|Ability
|-style="{{style|kh2|b}}; font-size:12px"
!style="width:30%"|Sword
!style="width:30%"|Rod
!style="width:30%"|Shield
|-
|4||colspan="3" style="{{style||a}}"|
|-
|7||[[Combo Boost]]||[[Experience Boost]]||[[Item Boost]]
|-
|9||[[Experience Boost]]||[[Item Boost]]||[[Combo Boost]]
|-
|12||colspan="3"|[[Magic Lock-On]]
|-
|15||[[Reaction Boost]]||[[Fire Boost]]||[[Damage Drive]]
|-
|17||[[Item Boost]]||[[Combo Boost]]||[[Experience Boost]]
|-
|20||colspan="3"|[[Leaf Bracer]]
|-
|23||[[Fire Boost]]||[[Damage Drive]]||[[Reaction Boost]]
|-
|25||[[Drive Boost]]||[[Draw]]||[[Once More]]
|-
|28||[[Draw]]||[[Once More]]||[[Drive Boost]]
|-
|31||[[Combination Boost]]||[[Blizzard Boost]]||{{c|Defender|ability}}
|-
|33||[[Damage Drive]]||[[Reaction Boost]]||[[Fire Boost]]
|-
|36||[[Air Combo Boost]]||[[Negative Combo]]||[[Jackpot]]
|-
|39||[[Blizzard Boost]]||{{c|Defender|ability}}||[[Combination Boost]]
|-
|41||[[Drive Converter]]||[[Thunder Boost]]||[[Damage Control]]
|-
|44||[[Negative Combo]]||[[Jackpot]]||[[Air Combo Boost]]
|-
|47||[[Once More]]||[[Drive Boost]]||[[Draw]]
|-
|49||[[Finishing Plus]]||[[Berserk Charge]]||[[Second Chance]]
|-
|53||[[Thunder Boost]]||[[Damage Control]]||[[Drive Converter]]
|-
|59||{{c|Defender|ability}}||[[Combination Boost]]||[[Blizzard Boost]]
|-
|65||[[Berserk Charge]]||[[Second Chance]]||[[Finishing Plus]]
|-
|73||[[Jackpot]]||[[Air Combo Boost]]||[[Negative Combo]]
|-
|85||[[Second Chance]]||[[Finishing Plus]]||[[Berserk Charge]]
|-
|99||[[Damage Control]]||[[Drive Converter]]||[[Thunder Boost]]
|}
|}
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