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| '''THE INITIAL VOTING IS NOW CLOSED - Oct 29''' | | '''THE INITIAL VOTING IS NOW CLOSED - Oct 29''' |
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| '''''If you agree to a revote based on the new circumstances, please replace your name here with your signature. All previous voters must agree to revote for it to proceed. IF YOU ARE NOT A VOTER AND YOU WANT THE REVOTE TO PROCEED, YOU NEED TO TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T RE-SIGNED YET.'''''
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| *{{User:17master/Sign}}02:58, November 13, 2010 (UTC) | | *{{User:17master/Sign}}02:58, November 13, 2010 (UTC) |
| *[[User:BlackSoulBlade|BlackSoulBlade]] 00:15, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | | *BlackSoulBlade |
| *{{User:Erry/Sig}} 00:22, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | | *Erry |
| *[[User:Falcos|Falcos]] 07:24, November 10, 2010 (UTC) | | *[[User:Falcos|Falcos]] 07:24, November 10, 2010 (UTC) |
| *{{User:JFHavoc/Sig}} 16:08, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | | *JfHavoc |
| *[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 16:18, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | | *[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 16:18, November 8, 2010 (UTC) |
| *{{User:Lapidothtill/Sig}} 17:22, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | | *{{User:Lapidothtill/Sig}} 17:22, November 8, 2010 (UTC) |
| *{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}20:04, November 10, 2010 (UTC) | | *{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}20:04, November 10, 2010 (UTC) |
| *[[User:LightoftheDarkness|LightoftheDarkness]] 00:48, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | | *LightoftheDarkness |
| *'''Number XIII''' - ''LightRoxas'' - '''The Key of Destiny''' 03:29, November 20, 2010 (UTC) | | *LightRoxas |
| *[[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 21:57, November 12, 2010 (UTC) | | *[[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 21:57, November 12, 2010 (UTC) |
| *--[[User:Master Vantius|Master Vantius]] 22:12, November 9, 2010 (UTC)Master Vantius | | *--[[User:Master Vantius|Master Vantius]] 22:12, November 9, 2010 (UTC)Master Vantius |
| *[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 16:23, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | | *[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 16:23, November 8, 2010 (UTC) |
| *--'''''[[User:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Random!</span>]][[User talk:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkblue;">to a point!</span>]]''''' 00:20, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | | *Randomnessity |
| *--[[User:Riku's Love|Riku's Love is bored :/]] 03:04, November 26, 2010 (UTC) | | *Riku's Love |
| *[[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:01, November 13, 2010 (UTC) | | *[[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:01, November 13, 2010 (UTC) |
| *[[User:Sephiroth0812|Sephiroth0812]] 20:03, November 10, 2010 (UTC) | | *[[User:Sephiroth0812|Sephiroth0812]] 20:03, November 10, 2010 (UTC) |
| *{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 16:40, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | | *{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 16:40, November 8, 2010 (UTC) |
| *[[User:ShardofTruth|<font face="Segoe UI" color="#033D1B">Shard</font>]][[User:ShardofTruth/Symbols|<font face="Segoe UI" color="#0DE388">of</font>]][[User talk:ShardofTruth|<font face="Segoe UI" color="#033D1B">Truth</font>]] 22:50, November 18, 2010 (UTC) | | *ShardofTruth |
| *{{SilverCrono/Sig}} | | *SilverCrono |
| *<span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 2px #000000;">[[ [[User:Soxra|<span style="color: #FFC000;">So</span>]][[User_talk:Soxra|<span style="color: #CC0000;">x</span>]][[User:Soxra|<span style="color: #FFC000;">ra</span>]] ]]</span> | | *<span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 2px #000000;">[[ [[User:Soxra|<span style="color: #FFC000;">So</span>]][[User_talk:Soxra|<span style="color: #CC0000;">x</span>]][[User:Soxra|<span style="color: #FFC000;">ra</span>]] ]]</span> |
| *{{The Inexistentsig}} | | *The Inexistent |
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| :I decline the revote. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:28, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | | :I decline the revote. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:28, November 8, 2010 (UTC) |
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| :::::::::::I revoke my vote because enough is enough, Wikia isn't complying and the current situation is that this place is becoming a fan-based wiki while the official is going onto the new server/database. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 16:14, November 10, 2010 (UTC) | | :::::::::::I revoke my vote because enough is enough, Wikia isn't complying and the current situation is that this place is becoming a fan-based wiki while the official is going onto the new server/database. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 16:14, November 10, 2010 (UTC) |
| ::::::::::::Well, I suppose I could follow suit with Erry... [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC) | | ::::::::::::Well, I suppose I could follow suit with Erry... [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC) |
| :::::::::::::I didn't know the vote was for where to move to, so I'm in. Unless it is to revote for moving or not. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 00:22, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::::::::::::::Nope, just for where to move to. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[File:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 00:26, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
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| So, does this mean the re-vote is on? What will we be voting on, exactly? --Never fear ... [[User:Superdog1123| Superdog]] is here! <sup>[[User talk: Superdog1123| Yipee! :D]]</sup> 05:43, November 10, 2010 (UTC)Superdog1123 | | So, does this mean the re-vote is on? What will we be voting on, exactly? --Never fear ... [[User:Superdog1123| Superdog]] is here! <sup>[[User talk: Superdog1123| Yipee! :D]]</sup> 05:43, November 10, 2010 (UTC)Superdog1123 |
| :It appears so. Hopefully, the vote should be clear, like: | | :It appears so. Hopefully, the vote should be clear, like: |
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| ::Sorry for the yo-yo, guys. >_> [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 21:57, November 12, 2010 (UTC) | | ::Sorry for the yo-yo, guys. >_> [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 21:57, November 12, 2010 (UTC) |
| :::Yo-yo sums it up pretty damn well. Will you make up your mind already? i don't mean to be rude but your constant flip-flopping is starting to make me dizzy--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 23:13, November 12, 2010 (UTC) | | :::Yo-yo sums it up pretty damn well. Will you make up your mind already? i don't mean to be rude but your constant flip-flopping is starting to make me dizzy--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 23:13, November 12, 2010 (UTC) |
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| Okay, BIG problem. Riku's Love said on Nov. 14 that she would be gone for two weeks. {{The Inexistentsig}}
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| :Oh, damn that is a problem, and of course she's one of the last ones who hasn't signed yet--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 23:08, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::REVOTAR!(I'm not too late, am I?) [[User:Roxas pwns sora47|Roxas pwns sora47]] 05:34, November 19, 2010 (UTC)Roxas_pwns_sora47
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| Riku's Love. Are you all happy now?--[[User:Riku's Love|Riku's Love is bored :/]] 20:44, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Thank you very much, RL! :D You have to replace your name up top with your sig, too. >> [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 20:55, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
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| THE MOTION HAS PASSED!!!!!! We must set up the Revote as quickly as possible if it hasn't been already--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 03:16, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
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| Has the revote been set up? If so, when and where is it being held? --Never fear ... [[User:Superdog1123| Superdog]] is here! <sup>[[User talk: Superdog1123| Yipee! :D]]</sup> 05:07, December 2, 2010 (UTC)Superdog1123
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| {{Bluer|15:10, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|Not sure about the agreed definition, but fan content would mean, to me, anything made by fans that have significant coverage. Something fanmade that was talked about somewhere, that kind of stuff. Prolly you have a better idea of it.}} | | {{Bluer|15:10, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|Not sure about the agreed definition, but fan content would mean, to me, anything made by fans that have significant coverage. Something fanmade that was talked about somewhere, that kind of stuff. Prolly you have a better idea of it.}} |
| {{Lapidoth|text=Oh, that makes sense.}} | | {{Lapidoth|text=Oh, that makes sense.}} |
| {{Maggosh|nathan=So, if I'm understanding you correctly, we take a FFWiki approach and allow articles for things such as [[wikia:fialfactasy:Dead Fantasy|Dead Fantasy]] and [[finalfantasy:Dion Rogers' Rinoa|Dion Rogers' Rinoa]]?}} | | {{Maggosh|nathan=So, if I'm understanding you correctly, we take a FFWiki approach and allow articles for things such as [[w:c:fialfactasy:Dead Fantasy|Dead Fantasy]] and [[w:c:finalfantasy:Dion Rogers' Rinoa|Dion Rogers' Rinoa]]?}} |
| {{Bluer|15:38, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|Wikia wants to be all "fan community", yeah? Let's give 'em that, starting with "fanwankery".}} | | {{Bluer|15:38, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|Wikia wants to be all "fan community", yeah? Let's give 'em that, starting with "fanwankery".}} |
| {{Maggosh|nathan=Wait, you don't mean to go as far as to allow stuff from the Fanon wiki be posted here, do you?}} | | {{Maggosh|nathan=Wait, you don't mean to go as far as to allow stuff from the Fanon wiki be posted here, do you?}} |
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| {{Lapidoth|text=If we allowed fanon material to be added here after the move, wouldn't that cripple the already existing KHfanon?}} | | {{Lapidoth|text=If we allowed fanon material to be added here after the move, wouldn't that cripple the already existing KHfanon?}} |
| :Acceptable fan content is up debate. Same as real world. How much substantial info would it add to the fan community of KH? Its up for debate. As for that crippling KHfanon, depends on what KHfanon contains. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 15:57, November 7, 2010 (UTC) | | :Acceptable fan content is up debate. Same as real world. How much substantial info would it add to the fan community of KH? Its up for debate. As for that crippling KHfanon, depends on what KHfanon contains. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 15:57, November 7, 2010 (UTC) |
| ::About adding fanon content, I think the more topnotch material should be allowed - [[wikia:kingdomheartsfanon:Avastar: Kingdom Hearts|Avastar: Kingdom Hearts]], for example. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:04, November 7, 2010 (UTC) | | ::About adding fanon content, I think the more topnotch material should be allowed - [[w:c:kingdomheartsfanon:Avastar: Kingdom Hearts|Avastar: Kingdom Hearts]], for example. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:04, November 7, 2010 (UTC) |
| {{SC|time=16:08, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|talk=So, pretty much just merge the KH and KHFanon wikis? <!-- Is my story topnotch, maggosh? :3 -->}} | | {{SC|time=16:08, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|talk=So, pretty much just merge the KH and KHFanon wikis? <!-- Is my story topnotch, maggosh? :3 -->}} |
| {{Bluer|16:13, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|That could be one way to interpret it. But I'm not sure if KHfanon wanted to follow KHWiki and move or remain with wikia. Either way, I'll have to sleep on it now, since I'm working tomorrow<!-- damn it --> so we'll probably have more proposals to work on.}} | | {{Bluer|16:13, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|That could be one way to interpret it. But I'm not sure if KHfanon wanted to follow KHWiki and move or remain with wikia. Either way, I'll have to sleep on it now, since I'm working tomorrow<!-- damn it --> so we'll probably have more proposals to work on.}} |
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| Okay, I looked at the [[wikia:Community:Forum:Anti-Wikia Alliance/linkdatabase|Anti-Wikia Alliance database]] and Kingdom Hearts Wiki isn't up there. Don't we need to register to the Anti-Wikia Alliance to move? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 23:35, November 7, 2010 (UTC) | | Okay, I looked at the [[w:c:Community:Forum:Anti-Wikia Alliance/linkdatabase|Anti-Wikia Alliance database]] and Kingdom Hearts Wiki isn't up there. Don't we need to register to the Anti-Wikia Alliance to move? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 23:35, November 7, 2010 (UTC) |
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| {{Chitalian8|time=23:44, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text= The AWA isn't something official, we need no one's permission but our own to move.}} | | {{Chitalian8|time=23:44, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text= The AWA isn't something official, we need no one's permission but our own to move.}} |
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| Okay, maybe Monaco is gone for good, but we still have Monobook. And the reason why they switched to Oasis was because some people didn't like Monaco. And they wanted some way to improve the site. They didn't mean to shove a bad skin down our throats. They are improving Oasis for better navigation. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:06, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | | Okay, maybe Monaco is gone for good, but we still have Monobook. And the reason why they switched to Oasis was because some people didn't like Monaco. And they wanted some way to improve the site. They didn't mean to shove a bad skin down our throats. They are improving Oasis for better navigation. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:06, November 8, 2010 (UTC) |
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| ARG ARG ARG. For the like 10th time, only the registered users will see Monobook, anons will see Oasis, and they will format their edits accordingly. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[File:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 02:10, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | | ARG ARG ARG. For the like 10th time, only the registered users will see Monobook, anons will see Oasis, and they will format their edits accordingly. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[file:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 02:10, November 8, 2010 (UTC) |
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| :That is not the point. Wikia is improving Oasis. They are trying to make Oasis easier for newer Users. They are trying to help improve their site. Oasis just takes getting used to. That's all. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:16, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | | :That is not the point. Wikia is improving Oasis. They are trying to make Oasis easier for newer Users. They are trying to help improve their site. Oasis just takes getting used to. That's all. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 02:16, November 8, 2010 (UTC) |
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| :Wikia is a horribly company that cares nothing for the fan's that contribute to it's community. For example, [http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=143.0 see this]. Wikia buy's wikis with empty promises and lies, and then forces it, along with all wiki's under it, to have it to use wikia own's extensions and customizations. Being on your own would give you more control over the wiki and be run by actual fans, not faceless cooperations. [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 02:38, November 8, 2010 (UTC). | | :Wikia is a horribly company that cares nothing for the fan's that contribute to it's community. For example, [http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=143.0 see this]. Wikia buy's wikis with empty promises and lies, and then forces it, along with all wiki's under it, to have it to use wikia own's extensions and customizations. Being on your own would give you more control over the wiki and be run by actual fans, not faceless cooperations. [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 02:38, November 8, 2010 (UTC). |
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| Calling Wikia "horrible" and "faceless" is a bit of an exagerration. They are honestly trying to give the layout an easier interface. It works on some levels, and I see where they are going. However, the fact that this is such a template-heavy wiki gives us problems, since we have formatted so many of our changes to Monaco/Monobook. But to accuse them of such things as "empty promises and lies" is a huge overstatement. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[File:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 02:43, November 8, 2010 (UTC) | | Calling Wikia "horrible" and "faceless" is a bit of an exagerration. They are honestly trying to give the layout an easier interface. It works on some levels, and I see where they are going. However, the fact that this is such a template-heavy wiki gives us problems, since we have formatted so many of our changes to Monaco/Monobook. But to accuse them of such things as "empty promises and lies" is a huge overstatement. [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[file:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 02:43, November 8, 2010 (UTC) |
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| Sean, Oasis was not started because people didn't like Monaco. Wikia has a tendency to update things that need no update... but they went to far this time. {{The Inexistentsig}} | | Sean, Oasis was not started because people didn't like Monaco. Wikia has a tendency to update things that need no update... but they went to far this time. {{The Inexistentsig}} |
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| Bloody hell, what does everyone keep saying the word "official"? '''We are not official in any way'''. Seriously guys, if we were the official KHWiki, SE would be hosting us, not Wikia. {{The Inexistentsig}} | | Bloody hell, what does everyone keep saying the word "official"? '''We are not official in any way'''. Seriously guys, if we were the official KHWiki, SE would be hosting us, not Wikia. {{The Inexistentsig}} |
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| {{Superdog1123|time=04:03, November 9, 2010 (UTC)|ven=Okay, so, because the re-vote was denied, what's the current status of the move? I see we're still stuck on whether to fanon-ize this site or not. I personally think that's not as important as where we're going and when that's going to happen (obviously the how has been discussed, but if anyone wants to paraphrase that as well, by all means I won't stop you).}} | | {{Superdog1123|time=04:03, November 9, 2010 (UTC)|ventus=Okay, so, because the re-vote was denied, what's the current status of the move? I see we're still stuck on whether to fanon-ize this site or not. I personally think that's not as important as where we're going and when that's going to happen (obviously the how has been discussed, but if anyone wants to paraphrase that as well, by all means I won't stop you).}} |
| {{LA|Vtext=Well, let's talk about re-vote. It was shot down because it was too early to open it. | | {{LA|Vtext=Well, let's talk about re-vote. It was shot down because it was too early to open it. |
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| :OASIS IS THE CULMINATION OF WIKIA'S SLEIGHTS AGAINST CONTENT. | | :OASIS IS THE CULMINATION OF WIKIA'S SLEIGHTS AGAINST CONTENT. |
| :ARG.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 06:45, November 13, 2010 (UTC) | | :ARG.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 06:45, November 13, 2010 (UTC) |
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| Arg. --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 23:43, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{LapisScarab|time=00:08, November 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=Stay on topic, people. Overdramatic hyperbole like "this is war" don't help any. Sean, you're derailing the conversation again. Literally all you will be doing different once we move is typing in/favoriting a different web address. Also, we are not revoting the ''move'', we are revotin where we'll move ''to''.}}
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| {{LA|Vtext=I thought that that was the thing we were revoting on in the first place...!}}
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| There's no reason to revote on ''whether'' to move, nothing has changed. The revote was because the option of private hosting w/ SEIWA was brought up after the original votes. --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 00:48, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Ex''act''ly. I thought everyone was aware of that? =_= --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 00:49, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Apparently SeanWheeler was not, but he doesn't seem to read any of the comments anyway, so there's no reason to be surprised.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}00:53, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 00:54, November 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=So, are you guys getting funding from SEIWA? i was unaware of this.}}
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| :Okay, maybe it is turning "fan-based" and not "fanon". But haven't you read Bud's three choices? The third one was "to stay here and deal with the skin." Oh and about the last comment, I don't know if we are getting funding or not. A wiki gets funds from those advertisements right? Well I don't trust ads. Let's just get back on topic. Are we revoting or not? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 15:25, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 18:03, November 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=Yes, the there is going to be a revote. But they want to understand the options in order to run a better vote this time around, before actually running it}}
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| {{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=00:30, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|inverse=I believe the choices are what you said in the above comments:
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| :#* b) Move to Wikkii
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| I think that’s all that anyone’s proposed so far. Forgive me if I’ve left out anything.}}
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 01:26, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=nope, i think you've got everything covered.}}
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| You forgot no. 3: "Stay here and deal with the skin". [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 20:45, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Maggosh|flint=Sean, one more time and we'll have to deem you illiterate.}}
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| HAVE YOU PAID ANY DAMN ATTENTION? Sean, please, listen to me ''this'' time. Nothing is changing, except the address you type in at the top of the screen. Kryten even said that Wikia will let us use Monaco. Heck, Wikia might even be proud enough to let us port in Oasis for those who really think that it is beneficial. BUT, on top of that, we are moving '''''FOR SURE'''''. The revote is for '''''WHERE TO MOVE'''''. We're moving no mater what, comprende? {{The Inexistentsig}}
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| {{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=01:31, November 16, 2010 (UTC)|skinny=Sean, I’m gonna say this the nicest way that I can. We’ve already decided to move. The question is where. We are looking for where to move now, because we are '''for sure''' that we are moving. The Kingdom Hearts Wiki community is moving no matter what. We are moving. Thank you for kindly reading this message. You get it now? :)}}
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| Can someone clarify if you guys are moving? /sarcasm Are you going to re-vote anytime soon, seems like things aren't progressing at all at the moment.--[[User:Zyeriis|Zyeriis]] 01:39, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=02:08, November 16, 2010 (UTC)|ffx=we’re just summing up our choices and making them as clear as possible. Yes there will be a revote on where to go but I don’t know when it will take place.}}
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| {{ST|text=hopefully soon. I have to agree with Zyeriis, it ''does feel lke we're going nowhere with this}}
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| Part of the reason we're not getting anywhere is because some people have decided to completely ignore the previous comments and explainations [cough] SeanWheeler [cough], and we have to keep explaining the same thing over and over again<!--It's like he's trying to filibuster us-->. Comments like that aren't helping move the discussion along either, Zyeriis. I don't know why people insist on asking if we've decided this yet. When we do it will be made known to the entire wiki, you don't need to keep bogging down the forum by asking the same questions.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}02:26, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| Well... why don't we make a seperate page for the revote (say, Where will we go?/Revote), so that it remains pure voting, and the <s>useless</s> discussion can stay on this page. <!---Agreed, well put, Lapis.---> {{The Inexistentsig}}
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| @Lapis: All the more reason, trying to discuss things on this page is pointless. If people aren't reading the page, it's because it's too long. What I fail to comprehend is why there hasn't been a page created for the revote yet, with all of the information clearly listed rather than scattered throughout this and other pages. As for bogging down the forum...I'm not really sure where I've repeatedly asked the same question(s). I may have brought up a similar question or the same question once before but I don't think that counts as bogging anything down. If you weren't refering to me in particular I don't think you should've used the word: "you". Again, I am having a difficult time understanding a discussion that appears to be stuck in a loop when it would be much simpler to create the re-vote page with the aforementioned information, and when someone asks, direct them there, rather than expect them to sift through this entire page. --[[User:Zyeriis|Zyeriis]] 03:14, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| I was referring to commentors like you and SeanWheeler who, instead of just reading the forum and seeing that their questions have been asked and answered several times before, ask them again, ''which bogs down the discussion''. And they would know that they were doing this is they ''bothered to read the forum''. We're not typing this for our own amusement. This is an important subject; if you're too lazy to read the bloody thing, you shouldn't be taking part in the discussion. I don't mean to sound hostile, but I'm fed up with this. This discussion ''is'' stuck in a loop, and it is the same type of repetitive questions you are asking thathas caught it in that loop.
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| Ugh, anyway, that's a good idea, The_Inexistent. Though I'm giving fair warning here; repetitive questions like this added to ''that'' forum will either be moved here or just flat out removed if it happens enough times. We need to get this settled.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}03:29, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| :SO, since the revote is set to go ahead, and we keep going in circles, and we've gone through our options several times, [[Forum:Where will we go?/Revoting|I went ahead and made the revote page]]. Please don't get angry at me, but where I come from, if someone doesn't do something once they think of it, it doesn't get done at all. NOTICE, though, that I said that the admins control its running, so don't do anything stupid. And, no, Sean, Staying is NOT an option. {{The Inexistentsig}}
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| ==Yes, No, Don't Know?==
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| So as a casual visitor to this Wiki, I've been following this discussion with some confusion and don't really have any clear understanding. Is this Wiki actually moving or not? Yes? No? Don't know? As for me, I like most of the changes that have been made to Wikia - I find most of them very helpful and don't really miss what was taken away anymore. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 16:35, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 18:01, November 14, 2010 (UTC)|text=yes, they are moving. But they don't know where to yet. They are planing on doing a full revote, but they want to fully understand all options avalbile to them, so they don't have another vote like the first.}}
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| :Thanks, that clears it up. I'll keep an eye out and watch for the revote. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 04:21, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 04:42, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=You're welcome. And happy to help.}}
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| :I have one other question - once the move happens, what happens to the content that's at this address? I mean, obviously, if we're moving, then that would mean something goes from here to somewhere else. So does everything on here just get deleted, at which point the address kingdomhearts.wikia.com becomes an empty shell, ready for someone else to swoop in, should they decide that they want to be the one to host the Wiki for ''[[Kingdom Hearts (series)|Kingdom Hearts]]'' on Wikia? [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 11:05, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 17:04, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=Unfortunately, the truth of the matter is this wiki will still remain as is - minus a active community to keep it up. One could, in theory delete all the pages in the wiki, but Wikia may catch wind of it and then do what they can to stop it. [http://starfox.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:We're_merging_with_Lylat_Wiki!_All_users_report!#Note_from_Wikia Look here], where Wikia tells another wiki that the Wikia Wiki will "remain open for whoever decides to remain."}}
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| :I see. Well, in that case, it seems to me that someone who's perfectly fine with the layout as is could easily request adminship from Wikia and maintain a Wiki at this address. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 17:45, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 18:27, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=Very true. And if anyone does that, i Wish them the Best of Luck. My personal Opinions are against Wikia, the company. I have no problems with the people who operate Wikis on them.}}.
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| : :) So, do I, wish them the best of luck. I'd consider it myself if it weren't for the fact that I have almost no edits here, though that's mainly a matter of just choosing to focus on other projects, rather than a lack of knowledge. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 19:47, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 20:04, November 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=Yea, i mainly here to show support for the independent option and to help in the formation of the [[Forum:Square Enix Portal|Square Enix Portal]]}}.
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| As a matter of fact, one of the major debates right now is what will become of this address. You can read more about that further up this page.--[[Special:Contributions/66.215.20.249|66.215.20.249]] 02:17, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
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| Im sorry but i do not understand whats going on, this is ridiculous, why do we need to move, what benefit will we gain?, and i dont see any need for Fanon, the wiki's are about information, this is a wiki first [[User:Rhysno1|Rhysno1]] 16:43, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{Lapidoth|text=Just read above so we don't have to explain this all '''again'''.}}
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| {{LA|Vtext=What Lapidoth said. Seriously.
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| Also, i think the idea is that we're trying to make the Kingdom Hearts Wiki-Wiki ''less'' wiki-ish. I think it's a way of spitting in wikia's faces after we move the official stuff. But seriously, Fanon wiki and Kh Wiki '''aren't''' merging. I've cleared it up with the community there.}}
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| {{LapisScarab|time=20:55, November 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=It's not to spit in Wikia's faces, it's because Oasis isn't well suited for what we use the "official" Wiki for. It's more facebook/fan oriented.}}
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| {{ST|text=Please, that's just an excuse and you know it. I know it's not a bad thing to want to keep up a good image and stuff, but let's face it, we're only doing this to get back at Wikia for not listening to us and forcing this gawd-awful skin on us. don't try and dress it up as something it's not. Anyway, i think we should just go back to the "Delete this wiki entirely after we've copied everything" plan since Kryten just proved to Sannse that we have every right to do so}}
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| {{KrytenKoro|...no. Oasis is facebook-oriented. It is designed to attract those with no more than a passing interest in the material, and those without rigorous standards. Yes, there is vindictive satisfaction to be had in giving wikia exactly what they asked for, whether it's good for them or not, but when I suggested the fan stuff, it was to give a purpose to the people saying "I'll stay behind, but this place will be a graveyard." And what I "proved to Sannse" was that her claims that we could not rewrite the wiki for that focus were not only absurd, but totally contradicted by the ToU.
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| '''''<big>IF PEOPLE WANT IT TO PROCEED, THEY NEED TO WORK ON TALKING TO THE PREVIOUS VOTERS. UNTIL I GET A SOLID GO-AHEAD, I WON'T START THE REVOTE, AND UNTIL I GET A SOLID DON'T GO AHEAD, I WILL NOT START THE INSTALLATION AT WIKKII. THE CURRENT OUTCOME IS "SIT HERE, DO NOTHING", WHICH NOBODY WANTS.</big>'''''}}
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| {{ST|text=oh, ok i misread the conversation there.<small> <small>i still think the "vindictive satisfaction" from "spitting in the face of wikia" came first, but that's just me</small></small>}}
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| Yes. Yes, it is just you. --[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']] 22:49, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{LA|Vtext=Yes, thank you Kryten.
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| ShadowsTwilight: No, let's NOT delete the wikia-KHWiki. If the wikia-khwiki to take up on my idea and add Theory namespace, then I'm totally looking forward staying behind and participating in that. <small>But if we aren't, then screw the place; I'm leaving.<small><small> I can write irritatingly small text too!</small></small></small>
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| EDIT: I also don't get why these people ''don't'' want to try a SEIWA. To the people who haven't replaced their names, can you please shed some light for me?}}
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| {{Soxra|text=They haven't replaced their names most likely because they don't know it's up for a revote. Time to post on their talk pages, methinks.|time=01:23, November 18, 2010 (UTC)}}
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| {{ST|text=Just so I know I've got this right, SEIWA Square Enix's official Kingdom Hearts Wiki, or something along those lines, correct?<small><small><small>EDIT:hooray for irritatingly small text X3</small></small></small>}}
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 02:53, November 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=SEIWA isn't official Square Enix Anything. It is, or plans to be, a group of Wiki's Focused on Square Enix Wiki's, that help and support each other in terms of Edits, content templates, etc. as well as any wiki that comes looking for help. These wiki's are independent of any Wiki farms, either through donations, beneactors, or ads. See [[Forum:Square_Enix_Portal]] for more details. }}
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| {{Superdog1123|time=04:03, November 18, 2010 (UTC)|ven=Kryten, who still has not posted that they want a re-vote? Unless I'm mistaken, everyone's put their name down...}}
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| {{ST|text=Everyone except for JFHavoc, LightRoxas, Riku's Love, ShardofTruth, and SilverCrono}}
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| {{LapisScarab|time=04:44, November 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=I messaged all of them earlier today, but not everyone can be online 24/7. Give it a day or two, they should show up.}}
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| {{JFHavoc|time=16:10, November 18, 2010 (UTC)|text=There we go. If Lapis hadn't messaged me I probably would've forgotten about the whole thing.}}
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| {{LA|Vtext=Okay, I just asked a user on the IRC who is a personal friend of Riku'sLove to ask her about her opinions on the SEIWA. Apparently, RL is grounded for two weeks and cannot get to a computer. We talked about it on the IRC, but I forgot to log the conversation, as I was in a hurry when I was leaving. Anyway, [[User talk:LegoAlchemist#Hello|here]] is the message, with conformation of her consent. Can we consider this official, or should we get it from Riku's mouth directly?}}
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 05:42, November 19, 2010 (UTC)|text=Hey guys, wanted to inform you, if you didn't already know, to make sure you put up [http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page a notice on your main page] about the wiki moving. Since the sitenotice doesn't appear in the new skin. }}
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| Aw man, why couldn't they put the site notice on Oasis? The site notice is important. So, would the anons have to go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] to read it?
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| ''''''''''''''<big>I HATE OASIS!!!</big>'''''''''''''' [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 23:45, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
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| {{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=01:11, November 20, 2010 (UTC)|seasonal=Ok, now that Sean is done with his unnecessary and rather brief rant, I really do think that we should put some sort of notice on the main page. Almost everyone on the wiki’s here, but some newly registered users might not know. I've put some sort of notice on my userpage, but it's barely anything.}}
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| {{Soxra|text=Do we also know where LightRoxas is...? Riku's Love is away for a week or two, and LightRoxas hasn't had any contributions for almost 6 days. Can't we forgo them for the sake of our sanity with regards to the revote?|time=02:11, November 20, 2010 (UTC)}}
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| {{LA|Vtext=RL has already agreed. Are my talk bubbles invisible or something?}}
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 03:09, November 20, 2010 (UTC)|text=Maybe they're collapsible? [hide]}}
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| {{LA|Vtext=(Thatwas a joke)}}
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| {{LightRoxas|text= Sorry, I had school stuff. I've signed now.}}
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 03:42, November 20, 2010 (UTC)|text=As was mine.}}
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| {{Soxra|text=No, Lego, I saw your message. I even talked to RoxasXIIILK... but no consensus has ever been reached. RL is the last vote, and we're all anxious to get this show on the road...|time=04:01, November 20, 2010 (UTC)}}
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| {{Maggosh|nathan=So, you ''didn't'' see his message.}}
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| {{Soxra|text=Yes, I did. We ''never'' decided whether or not word-of-mouth counted as RL's vote.|time=04:52, November 20, 2010 (UTC)}}
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| {{LA|Vtext=Maybe RoxasXIILK can give us some help.}}
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| {{KrytenKoro|Personally, I think we should wait for RL out of respect, but we should start the new revote forum, with summaries of every option and everything we know. ''However, it should be edit-protected until the vote is opened''. It would be nice if one of the staff could start it tonight, but I'll work on it tomorrow if it's not up yet.}}
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| {{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=17:27, November 20, 2010 (UTC)|skinny=I completely agree. Though I completely trust RoxasXIIILK, I just feel like RL should be here, saying it herself. She’s just too…well you know what I mean. Wasn’t a revote forum [[Forum:Where will we go?/Revote|already made]], but apparently we don’t have clearance for it yet?}}
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| {{LA|Vtext=Well, it seems RL has come back... all we can do is wait for her to come here and leave her opinions.}}
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| {{Keyblade0|time= 20:52, November 25, 2010|text= Sheeeeee's back! :) Now the revote can proceed! :D}}
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 21:02, November 25, 2010 (UTC)|text=Excellent! Please, Tell me if there is something i can help with in the revote.}}
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| {{LA|Vhappy=Excellent, we now have RL's consent. the Revote can commence!
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| Also, I have a template that could be used for a theory sub-page. [[User:LegoAlchemist/Lab#Theory namespace tables|Here it is]]. What do you guys think?}}
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| {{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=17:13, November 26, 2010 (UTC)|darkcookies=its really good, lego. Ok let’s begin with the revotation! :D}}
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| == May we commence already? ==
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| {{LA|Vtext=I think the titles says it all. This place has been nearly inactive for about a week - the notion is passed, we can proceed with the revote.
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| {{LapisScarab|time=01:42, December 3, 2010 (UTC)|text=[[Forum:Revote|The revote forum was created a few weeks ago]], but the revote isn't open yet from what I understand. Seems like they're still compiling the information about all our options.}}
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| {{Bud0011|time = [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 03:24, December 3, 2010 (UTC) | text = Last i heard, they wanted to make sure they knew all their options in as much detail as can be used. Although...that was a week or two ago. Maybe the holidays cuught up with them? }}
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| {{Soxra|ienzo=I suppose something like that could be. We just want to make sure all users are informed about the potential pros and cons of each move. For example, it was just an hour ago that DTN posted about speed issues on ShoutWiki. I think that's a pretty important detail.
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| I do agree though, I would like to get this show on the road. But we have to have patience. Rome wasn't <s>moved from Wikia</s> built in a day.|time=03:26, December 3, 2010 (UTC)}}
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| {{LapisScarab|time=03:30, December 3, 2010 (UTC)|text=According to the Wikipedia article on Rome I just edited<!--no, not really-->, it was built in exactly seventeen hours by Santa Claus, Chuck Norris, and Jesus. Arnold Schwarzeneggar was there too, but he was busy getting the coffee.}}
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| {{Soxra|ienzo=I don't believe you. Jesus would never work with Santa.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 03:34, December 3, 2010 (UTC)}}
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| {{LA|Vtext=Guys, wake up! Can an admin please acknowledge that we're ready to start the vote already? It's been over a week, we have plenty of info on the possible hosts. Let's get on with it!}}
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 20:02, December 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=Eh, i still not sure on the accuracy of the information under the options.}}
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| {{Soxra|xmas=Actually I'm thinking that it's just about ready to vote, in all honesty. Bud, which information are you unsure of?|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 02:51, December 8, 2010 (UTC)}}
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 03:39, December 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Well, for one thing, it says "Allows the same as SEIWA." under Wikkii. Wikkii is a wiki farm, so it wouldn't "Independent". Unless you go with the advanced hosting. Then i'd be worrying about the fine print. And i would worry about them pulling another wikia.
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| Also, in the SEIWA / Kingdom Hearts DB option, the owner has a lot to loose if he becomes a despot; a lot more to loose than any wiki-farm that is. So, i am not sure it would be an issue.}}
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| {{Soxra|ienzo=That's probably true. I'm not sure what exactly that was supposed to mean, unless it is saying that we get the same freedom (in terms of themes, privacy control, data management rights, and so on).
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| It is doubtful the owner of SEIWA would become a despot, however it's just a possibility we have to keep in mind.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 05:26, December 8, 2010 (UTC)}}
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 06:29, December 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Sorry, i wasn't clear; I am re-reading it now, and i see where the problem was; Wikkii is a wiki farm. It has a [http://wikkii.com/wiki/Advanced_Hosting advanced hosting option], that if you take, is similar to the guy who owns DB is offering.
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| Another reason to speed up the revote: The new template viewing system that just got rolled out has made it so that talk bubbles pop in and out of view, unless you click a button. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 22:52, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
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| It's time to break the mould. Let's revote.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 22:59, December 8, 2010 (UTC)}}
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 06:14, December 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=Sounds good. Out of curiosity, Was my second attempt at an explanation, any good?}}
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| {{Soxra|text=Yes. That's actually a better way of highlighting the 'government' of one option versus the other.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 17:51, December 9, 2010 (UTC)}}
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| {{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 19:18, December 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=Cool. Now, my next question. What are the minimum requirements of voting?}}
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| {{Soxra|ienzo=I'll leave Kryten (or another admin) to confirm this, but I believe all will be allowed to vote in the new vote. It shouldn't just be restricted to high edit counts or to people who voted last time; we want as accurate of a cross-section of our community as we can get.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 20:23, December 9, 2010 (UTC)}}
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| {{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=00:05, December 11, 2010 (UTC)|basic=come on already! geez i CANNOT wait for this to be ready! sigh. I sure hope we'll get to vote before the new year! :D I'm not sure how much information we need but it alls seems good enough don't ya think?}}
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| {{Soxra|ienzo=Yup. =\|time={{User:Soxra/Sig}} 19:05, December 11, 2010 (UTC)}}
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| {{Keyblade0|time=18:31, December 12, 2010 (UTC)|happy=I hope we can start soon. If they wait any longer, we'll have to do the revote next year! Also, shouldn't someone archive most of this page, or start a new forum? This page is getting longer by the day.}}
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| {{LightRoxas|axel=Ok, seriously, how much longer are we gonna wait?! The last post here was from mid-December, and we haven't heard anything on the move since then, except people saying January is our last month on this wiki. What are we even waiting for?}}
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