Editing Forum:Square Enix Portal

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{{DTN|time=08:26, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=I originally posted this on the [[Forum:Where will we go?|active forum]], but certain other discussions and matters drew attention away from. It is incredibly important that the community becomes aware of this possibility for our wiki, since it has now drawn the attention, interest, and support of three wikis: this one, the FFWiki, and Chronopedia. For the sake of having little else to say, I'm going to repost my message pertaining to the forming of a Square Enix portal, with a few revisions:
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I would like to open an idea to the community of KHWiki, as well as to several other wikis. I have spoken to KrytenKoro and Azul81677 about this matter, and the FFWiki admins also have supported the idea, from those that I have spoken to. We seem to understand that NIWA is a large portal for Nintendo-based wikis. I propose the idea of forming a portal for Square Enix wikis, using the MediaWiki software. Essentially, we are recreating NIWA for a different type of gaming wiki. Of course, the two main wikis would be KHWiki and FFWiki, though we could also invite Chronopedia, Dragon Quest Wiki, and even KHWiki Francophone and Espanol. By doing this, all of the connected wikis can grow from each other. We will still all be separate wikis in every respect, but when one wiki gain more contributors or readers, those people are bound to trickle to the other wikis as well. Chronopedia has already expressed a desire to join this.

This would involve private hosting, possibly of multiple wikis, and we would have to contact NIWA to figure out how they set up their portal. However, we have on multiple occasions shown that the entire community has the potential to financially support the wiki and its off-wiki links (ex: users in this thread offering to pay hosting fees and the money that our community was able to donate to Adola's bot servers for the IRC). Honestly, the communities of the main (and even some minor) Square-Enix wikis are akin to each other, since several editors edit more than one of these wikis. Our wikis are already joined by editors (and in many cases, templates and interwiki content and linking), so we would just be building on that connection.

This should also get us more views and readers than moving to a lesser known wikifarm. Seriously, Wikia is ''huge'', leaving it is going to cost us an enormous amount of our readers. To gain them back, we're going to have to stay as well known as we can. If Wikii is the small service provider it looks to be, that may not be our best option.
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Please leave comments below. Personally, I think this is a better moving plan than to be hosted by Wikii. We can be sure this will never happen again, we will be better known independently than as a part of a small wikifarm, and we can join the many already connected wikis toward a mutual goal: to create the greatest collection of Square Enix wikis, to be better than any strategy guide, walkthrough, or other relative information base.

Comments from members of other Square Enix wikis, such as the ''Final Fantasy'' Wiki and Chronopedia, are also very welcome.}}

{{OavatosDK|time=08:28, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=I did not read what was written. 

<font size=5>'''BUT I APPROVE!'''</font>

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Because DTN says I should be serious: I like the idea. I suggested it early on when the Oasis crysis began. NIWA actually talked about making an FF section for their wikis. 

Either way, I believe this way is best. I don't care for official business so others can work the whole thing out.}}

{{SilverCrono|time=08:30, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|talk=Chronopedia is in.

About the other wikis.. I think this is the best moving idea.
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Also, NIWA expressed interest in this, too. [http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=387.0 See this].}}
{{HexedTalk|text=Your supreme overlord Hexedy approves of this. Ore wo dare da to omotte yagaru! |time=08:32, November 7, 2010 (UTC)}}

{{17m|time=08:59, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|intrigued= I approve!}}

While I do not speak for the majority of the Final Fantasy Wiki, I, as a staff member there, am opposed to moving away from Wikia. I might get a lot of flack for saying this, but Oasis isn't that terrible for the common viewer. There's code floating around that increases the size of the text, and really that's the only major bad change of Oasis. They've fixed most of the annoying bugs that were around, and the majority of new anons would not know there was ever an alternative. Just as many people came into Wikia with Monaco (I came in around the end of Quartz, which was a much worse skin), many people will see Oasis as the only skin, and when that is inevitably abandoned, people will complain.

The only difference between hosting and here is that the anons see Oasis. Users will still use Monobook (unless you manage to get the source code for Monaco), there will probably still be adds to support hosting costs. I don't hear or see any anons complaining about Oasis; it is merely the users who are accustomed to the old and can't simply take this as any other Wikia addition: simply move on. Wikia will always be changing things that should not be fixed, and that's an inevitable truth, but should we leave for it? I doubt it. [[User:ScatheMote|<font color="Midnightblue">'''Scathe'''</font>]][[User Talk: ScatheMote|<font color="#778899">'''Mote'''</font>]] 13:59, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
:Some of us look forward to accommodating to Wikia, and is considering ideas. You're welcome to add to [[Forum:Where will we go?#Of What Remains|of what remains]]. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 14:13, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

{{JFHavoc|time=14:51, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=Regardless of how horrible, or how great, you think the new skin is, I believe this is still the better option. Being free of Wikia could do us some good. We would be independent, free to think on our own, not bound by what Wikia wants us to be. We can make decisions for ourselves, and we'll have ''much'' more control. I support this idea. Good work DTN. ^_^}}
{{neumannz|time=14:58, November 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=I also fully support this idea. It seems like an obvious choice--well, despite the fact that almost nobody had thought of it on their own...}}
{{KrytenKoro|ScatheMote, I have seen at least two comments in our forums from people who said they made an account on wikia just to complain about the skin. The new sites could very well have Oasis as well, for those who want it, they just won't be mandatory. A big part of this is not just the negative effects of the skin (such as on [[Dimension Link]]), but also wikia's consistent attitude of forcing all the wikis to accommodate ''their'' whims, rather than allowing us the freedom to choose.}}
[[wikia:square]]. Just want to add the "Square Enix" wiki to your attention. The thing that, in a sense, parents both FFWiki and KHWiki. [[Special:Contributions/80.42.254.253|80.42.254.253]] 16:33, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
:Hello Everyone. My name is Budd0011 here on Wikia, and Tacopill on NIWA. I'm the original poster of the thread SilverCrono linked to above. It is very nice to meet everyone. [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 16:54, November 7, 2010 (UTC).
EDIT CONFLICT: Okay no one edit until I made my message. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 17:11, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

:Actually, I think a Disney portal would be better. There are more Disney characters than Final Fantasy characters. Kingdom Hearts is more of a Disney game than Square. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 17:16, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
::Sorry for Causing the edit conflict. :'( . [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 18:08, November 7, 2010 (UTC).
:ScatheMote: Major disagreement aside, this isn't the forum to post your argument, this is just for discussion about forming a Square Enix portal.
:SeanWheeler: We are not linked to Disney wikis more than we are to Square Enix wikis, see the original message's statement on what connects us to wikis like the FFWiki. From what I can see, the Disney Wiki also has shown no interest in leaving Wikia. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 19:04, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

I'm Zyeriis, I'm the only admin on the [http://ffxiv.wikia.com FFXIV Wiki]. Why is that relevant? I hold all the power there and am the top contributor by far. Disregarding that, I was in the midst of building my community when Oasis revealed its ugly, downgraded face. What happened to that community? It died, a horrible (albeit quick death). So, I started a poll, to see what those remaining, wanted to do. A week went by...with only 3 votes (2 to leave, 1 to abandon). Another week went by, nothing changed. After I posted that I was giving up, the poll got a little bit more active. As predicted, just about everyone wanted to leave. Since then I've been looking for options for a new wikifarm or host. At first, I wanted to go with Curse, because that's what WoWWiki did. Alas, it turned out that FFXIVcore...is hosted by Curse so that wasn't/isn't an option. My top choice after that is ShoutWiki. I got in contact with them a few days (perhaps a week) ago and was told that they won't be accepting transfers again until they install their new, larger servers around mid-November. I simply, can't wait that long, my wiki is pretty much dead as it is right now. 

Last Night, DTN somehow located my discussion page about what to do with FFXIV Wiki (also known as Hydaelyn's Handbook) and told me that you guys are considering making a Square version of the NWA. He didn't give me a link to where you were discussing this though and I spent the a hour or so last night and some time today, perusing through your forums regarding your discussion about what to do (I read a lot of it) until I found this page. 

Ok, that's my story, leaving out my verbal rebellion against the Wikia Staff on community central, of how I ended up here. In truth, this idea for the SIWA (or just SWA) is absolutely perfect. I am unsure as to how I could contribute but I am all for this idea and want to get this decided immediately.--[[User:Zyeriis|Zyeriis]] 21:26, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
{{KrytenKoro|After I get some passporty stuff done tonight, I'm going to start the installation at wikkii. The cool thing about wikkii is that we can give our new site any address we want, and khwiki.net was approved in the previous forum. This portal - would we have to host our wiki on the same servers? Or is it more like a more intimate affiliation? I'd really like to discuss this in person, so it would be great if all the staff of the various wikis interested in forming this could meet on the irc, at #SEIWA, sometime this week. I'm free any evening after 5:00 EST, but I think Tuesday would work best for me.}}
:Do you mind if i join the conversation? [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 22:07, November 8, 2010 (UTC).
::Since you are our connection to NIWA I don't see why not. 
::One thing: This group can't be SIWA, Siwa is an OASIS in Egypt. '''<font color="#483d8b">◄</font> <font color="#8a2be2">[[User:OavatosDK|Θάν]][[User talk:OavatosDK|ατ]][[Special:Contributions/OavatosDK|ος]]</font> <font color="#483d8b">►</font>''' 06:59, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
:::Sweet. How do i connect to #SEIWA? i am still new to the irc thing. I'm more familar with skype, aim and the like. Sorry for my noob-ish-ness. [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 07:09, November 9, 2010 (UTC).
::::I think I'm right in saying you can just head to http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=SEIWA, and choose a nickname to sign in with. [[User:Adamcox82|Adam]] <sup>([[User talk:Adamcox82|talk]])</sup> 21:11, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
:::::Sounds good, and Thank you. I am in the chat now. [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 21:38, November 9, 2010 (UTC).
::::::Alterantively, if anyone has a skype, i will also be on there with the username "tacopill". [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 22:33, November 9, 2010 (UTC).





== Domain name ==
Was talking with Zyeriis and Crono on the SEIWA irc, and after checking with the domain name register, found out seiwaportal.org is avalible. Here's what i recommend it standing for: '''S'''quare '''E'''nix '''I'''ndependent '''W'''iki '''A'''lliance, and "portal" coming from this thread's name. Does this work for everyone? [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 23:47, November 10, 2010 (UTC).
:Works for teh Crono. --{{SilverCrono/Sig}} 00:04, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
::We were planning on using khwiki.net for the individual site, though.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 00:26, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
:::You mean, not have a central site, independent of the wiki's? [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 00:39, November 11, 2010 (UTC).
::I don't quite understand what the domain bit entails, but for the html of the KH wiki itself, we wanted to use khwiki.net (so that pages would be khwiki.net/wiki/Sora, etc.)[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 00:43, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
:::My idea behind it is this: The domain would serve as the primary address of the portal's main site, independent of any wiki's. Similar to how http://www.niwanetwork.org/ represnets niwa itself, not one of it's wikis. [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 00:50, November 11, 2010 (UTC).

So, basically an ideal situation would be that the SE Wikia Wiki would be simplified into the portal, and then link out to all of the game wikis?  {{The Inexistentsig}}
:If you wish to do that, you can. Also, some other options that exist include: 
:# make SE Wiki the central site of the portal, or
:# have a main site, and a wiki that's a subsection of it. 
:The choice is yours. Specifically, With the wiki, you could put in a link that says "For more in-depth information, see ________ Wiki" on each game/anime page. [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 03:16, November 11, 2010 (UTC).

That's what I was thinking.  But, I also have another question.  What are we supposed to do with all the tiny SE Wikis that may want to join?  Like the Due Wiki.  Heck, the FMA Wiki isn't really all that big to begin with, either.  {{The Inexistentsig}}
:Well, can they be grouped together in anyway? and are any of them smaller than [http://grifkuba.org/MotherEarthBoundWiki/index.php?title=WikiBound WikiBound]? [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 22:49, November 11, 2010 (UTC).

==SEIWA ROUNDTABLE==
*Part One: http://pastebin.com/hSyTmcMG
** [http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=527 Related to what we were talking about] [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 03:27, November 11, 2010 (UTC).
** Just had an conversation with [[finalfantasy:User:Some_Color_Mage|SomeColorMage of FFWiki]]. See [http://pastebin.com/Ydt6nu0J This page for the chat log]. [[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 08:56, November 12, 2010 (UTC).
** [http://pastebin.com/9Zks9FwT Conversation between Myself, Zyeriis, Chocolancer, DTN and Xizor] (Although, not all at the same time).


== Propsed Plan ==
Here is a plan i think would work well for SEIWA, based on input i got from SomeColorMage, Chocolancer and Zyerillis. Please Tell me what you think. 
# KH is revoting to go indy or to Wikkii (pending admin approval)
# if in #1 goes indy, then FF will see if there users and contributors are up for it. 
#*a) FFXIV Wiki wants to do this as well (go indy) to support the SEIWA idea (and to leave Wikia in general)
#*b) if FFWiki goes, Chocolancer hope Sardapedia also does as well
# If both #1 and #2 succeed, then SEIWA will be launched. The_Inexistiend hopes to use the Square Wikia as a hub once it goes indy. I recommend getting forums. 
# they start building an infastructure and one by one wikia's are brought to an independent server and asked on the SEIWA forums for help
#*a) I think the FFXI wiki users can help here
#*b) Example: we go out once a month (let's say) grab a wiki, get it independent, put it on the forums and try and attract contribtors
# once the former Wikia or new wiki is ready, it is brought in as a member
# #4 and #5 are repeated for each SE-related wiki on Wikia or started up by it's members

== Possible Inter-IWA group ==
{{Bud0011|time=[[User:Bud0011|Bud0011]] 04:57, December 4, 2010 (UTC)|text=Hey guys. Archaic - one of the Founders of NIWA, and the Webmaster of of Bulbapedia - has posted an idea i think you guys would be interested in. The link to the idea is [http://www.niwanetwork.org/forums/index.php?topic=614.0 Here]. Please Tell me what you think. }}


==Candidates==
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*Kingdom Hearts Wiki (currently http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com)
*Final Fantasy Wiki (currently http://finalfantasy.wikia.com)
*Final Fantasy XI Wiki (currently http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org)
*Final Fantasy XIV Wiki (currently http://ffxiv.wikia.com)
*Just Cause Wiki (http://justcause.wikia.com)
*Deus Ex Wiki (http://deusex.wikia.com)
*All Star Pro-Wrestling (?)
*Front Mission (http://frontmission.wikia.com/wiki/Front_Mission_Wiki)
*Hanjuku Hero (?)
*Mana (http://mana.wikia.com/wiki/Wiki_of_Mana)
*Song Summoner (http://songsummoner.wikia.com/wiki/Song_Summoner_the_Unsung_Heroes_Wiki)
*Tomb Raider (?)
*Hitman (http://hitman.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page)
*Square Enix Wiki (http://square.wikia.com/wiki/Squarewiki)
*Eidos Wiki (?)
*Fantasy Earth (http://fantasyearthzero.wikia.com/wiki/Fantasy_Earth_Zero_Wiki)
*Star Ocean (http://starocean.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Ocean_Wiki)
*Black God (?)
*Papuwa (?)
*Pani Poni (http://paniponidash.wikia.com/wiki/Pani_Poni_Dash_Wiki)
*Spiral (http://spiralsuirinokizuna.wikia.com/wiki/Spiral:Suiri_no_Kizuna_Wiki)
*He is My Master (?)
*Yumekui Kenbun (?)
*Doubt (?)
*Bamboo Blade (http://bambooblade.wikia.com/wiki/Bamboo_Blade_Wiki)
*Pandora Hearts (http://pandorahearts.wikia.com/wiki/Pandora_Hearts_Wiki)
*Black Butler (http://kuroshitsuji.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page)
*Soul Eater (http://souleater.wikia.com)
*Zombie Loan (?)
*Fullmetal Alchemist (http://fma.wikia.com)
*Higurashi no Naku Koro ni (http://whentheycry.wikia.com/wiki/Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_Ni_Wiki)
*The World Ends with You (http://twewy.wikia.com)

=== Currently Independ Wikis ===
* Tomb Raider (http://wikiraider.com/index.php?title=Main_Page)
* Dragon Quest (http://www.dragon-quest.org/wiki/Main_Page)

=== Related possible wiki's ===
* [http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Main_Page StrategyWiki]
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