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{{Forumheader|The Realm of Sleep|The World that Never was}}
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*Intro. Don't just say "So-and-so appears as a boss in this-and-this game.", provide a bit of a story to it, such as "Marluxia wishing to do away with Sora due to his actions in Castle Oblivion, he attacks the Keyblade master and engages him in a climatic battle." I'm not saying be the next Shakespeare almost as if we were redoing the character article in an intro, but one line is quite pathetic. I refer to how badly the Zexion boss article looked before I revised it when saying this, as I will many times as an example.
*Intro. Don't just say "So-and-so appears as a boss in this-and-this game.", provide a bit of a story to it, such as "Marluxia wishing to do away with Sora due to his actions in Castle Oblivion, he attacks the Keyblade master and engages him in a climatic battle." I'm not saying be the next Shakespeare almost as if we were redoing the character article in an intro, but one line is quite pathetic. I refer to how badly the Zexion boss article looked before I revised it when saying this, as I will many times as an example.
*Enemy template. Fill in all necessary fields. If a character appears in two games, set up the template for those two games. Don't be lazy and only do half the work (an example being [[Game:Lexaeus]], the article only showing stats for ''CoM''). If you don't know a certain statistic, ask someone else (PM them on the IRC, contact a reliable staffer, or leave an inquiry on the boss article's talk page), or simply put the expansion template on the top of the article, stating what it is you're looking for, lables such as "Statistics" and even something lengthier like "Determine quantities of cards in Deck Statistics section" being acceptable.  
*Enemy template. Fill in all necessary fields. If a character appears in two games, set up the template for those two games. Don't be lazy and only do half the work (an example being [[Game:Lexaeus]], the article only showing stats for ''CoM''). If you don't know a certain statistic, ask someone else (PM them on the IRC, contact a reliable staffer, or leave an inquiry on the boss article's talk page), or simply put the expansion template on the top of the article, stating what it is you're looking for, lables such as "Statistics" and even something lengthier like "Determine quantities of cards in Deck Statistics section" being acceptable.  
*Strategy. If a character appears in more than one game, write it as "Strategies". Game titles should be used in sub-headings. If multiple battles with different characters occur within a single game ([[Game:Terra-Xehanort]]), that's when you can get into sub-sub-headings and such. Otherwise, each new game a character is fought in should be a new sub-heading. A bulleted list of attacks does not count as a strategy, and a well-written strategy will use terms such as "one must" instead of "you" and "the player". It will also describe methods of beating the character as well as list their attacks in a more article-like formatting than a bulleted list. A good example is the Zexion boss article, a bad example being [[Game:Riku Replica]].  
*Strategy. If a character appears in more than one game, write it as "Strategies". Game titles should be used in sub-headings. If multiple battles with different characters occur within a single game ([[Game:Terra-Xehanort]]), that's when you can get into sub-sub-headings and such. Otherwise, each new game a character is fought in should be a new sub-heading. A bulleted list of attacks does not count as a strategy, and a well-written strategy will use terms such as "one must" instead of "you" and "the player". It will also describe methods of beating the character as well as list their attacks in a more article-like formatting than a bulleted list. A good example is the Zexion boss article, a bad example being [[Riku Replica (Boss)]].  
*Deck Statistics. Only add this if a boss is fought in ''CoM''/''Re:CoM'' with the sub-sections mentioned above, all conditions I mentioned taken into account.
*Deck Statistics. Only add this if a boss is fought in ''CoM''/''Re:CoM'' with the sub-sections mentioned above, all conditions I mentioned taken into account.
*Battle Quotes. Sub-sections according to games, no "Hee-yah" or "Muahahahaha!", just legitimate phrases like "Give me your best shot.", as mentioned in the MoS. I know a policy exists stating only seven quotes may be used, but that makes having the section irrelevant all together, and some articles having this and not others is quite inconsistent. While we could eliminate the section all together, it's quite useful for readers, since battle quotes irk a lot of gamers while playing. And if confusion arises over a quote, it's not that hard to just discuss it and find a reasonable resolution.
*Battle Quotes. Sub-sections according to games, no "Hee-yah" or "Muahahahaha!", just legitimate phrases like "Give me your best shot.", as mentioned in the MoS. I know a policy exists stating only seven quotes may be used, but that makes having the section irrelevant all together, and some articles having this and not others is quite inconsistent. While we could eliminate the section all together, it's quite useful for readers, since battle quotes irk a lot of gamers while playing. And if confusion arises over a quote, it's not that hard to just discuss it and find a reasonable resolution.
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Rather than leave these articles to collect dust, I say we make them as good as we can before we allow them to do so. Let's not be lazy editors that just place a cleanup template atop an article in hopes that one day a guy with nothing better to do will revise it. I think with all I am that this should be one of the Wiki's next projects, and I hope you'll agree! I appreciate any help I receive, and hopefully this will be an edit-motivating group experience!}}
Rather than leave these articles to collect dust, I say we make them as good as we can before we allow them to do so. Let's not be lazy editors that just place a cleanup template atop an article in hopes that one day a guy with nothing better to do will revise it. I think with all I am that this should be one of the Wiki's next projects, and I hope you'll agree! I appreciate any help I receive, and hopefully this will be an edit-motivating group experience!}}
==Discussion==
==Discussion==
I merely wish to clarify, as I don't think I made it apparent enough above, that this forum's subject refers to both Character and Enemy (Heartless, Nobodies, etc.) bosses (hence the title). - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 22:49, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
I merely wish to clarify, as I don't think I made it apparent enough above, that this forum's subject refers to both Character and Enemy (Heartless, Nobodies, etc.) bosses (hence the title). - <span>[[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|<font color="black">'''Eternal'''</font>]][[User talk:EternalNothingnessXIII|<font color="darkred">'''Nothingness'''</font>]][[User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Jukebox|<font color="dimgray">'''XIII'''</font>]]</span> 22:49, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
::And yes, we are intended to discuss this. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 05:27, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
::And yes, we are intended to discuss this. - <span>[[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|<font color="black">'''Eternal'''</font>]][[User talk:EternalNothingnessXIII|<font color="darkred">'''Nothingness'''</font>]][[User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Jukebox|<font color="dimgray">'''XIII'''</font>]]</span> 05:27, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
{{LapisScarab|time=05:39, August 24, 2010 (UTC)|skinny=I actually brought up something similar on the Project Enemy:DESIGN page. I'm tired and lazy right now, so behold the power of copy and paste!
{{LapisScarab|time=05:39, August 24, 2010 (UTC)|skinny=I actually brought up something similar on the Project Enemy:DESIGN page. I'm tired and lazy right now, so behold the power of copy and paste!


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Last comes Absent Silhouettes and Data Replicas. I feel they'd make the AS and RD pages ridiculously long. No need to do that, as the page should describe what an AS or DR is itself, and then link to the boss articles as they currently do. We need to simply expand the enemy template if we resort to that.}}
Last comes Absent Silhouettes and Data Replicas. I feel they'd make the AS and RD pages ridiculously long. No need to do that, as the page should describe what an AS or DR is itself, and then link to the boss articles as they currently do. We need to simply expand the enemy template if we resort to that.}}
{{KrytenKoro|For strategies, I meant max two per fight, not max two per article. I have seen quite a few where the article suggests up to five different ways of approaching something, like [[Game:Sephiroth]]. I'm not talking separate passages, either - there should only be two ''contiguous'' strategies, that you can follow without having to sort out the page. The Game:Sephiroth page is hideously redundant and convoluted on many levels.
{{KrytenKoro|For strategies, I meant max two per fight, not max two per article. I have seen quite a few where the article suggests up to five different ways of approaching something, like [[Sephiroth (Boss)]]. I'm not talking separate passages, either - there should only be two ''contiguous'' strategies, that you can follow without having to sort out the page. The Sephiroth (Boss) page is hideously redundant and convoluted on many levels.


For the ultimania - sorry, I thought he had. The link is on my talk page, I think. The stats are in order as in the template, but I had forgotten that the labels were still in Japanese, so someone who is fluent should probably attack those.  
For the ultimania - sorry, I thought he had. The link is on my talk page, I think. The stats are in order as in the template, but I had forgotten that the labels were still in Japanese, so someone who is fluent should probably attack those.  


For battle quotes, Game:Sephiroth actually has a good example. I was thinking something like this:
For battle quotes, Sephiroth (Boss) actually has a good example. I was thinking something like this:


*'''Heartless Angel''': Sephiroth will shout "Descend, Heartless Angel!", then summon a halo of darkness over Sora that will reduce him to 1 HP and 0 MP once completed. The attack cannot be dodged, but Sora can interrupt the attack by damaging Sephiroth in any way. Sephiroth starts using this technique when reduced to about 30% health, and if interrupted, he will immediately use Stigma.
*'''Heartless Angel''': Sephiroth will shout "Descend, Heartless Angel!", then summon a halo of darkness over Sora that will reduce him to 1 HP and 0 MP once completed. The attack cannot be dodged, but Sora can interrupt the attack by damaging Sephiroth in any way. Sephiroth starts using this technique when reduced to about 30% health, and if interrupted, he will immediately use Stigma.
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At the moment, I'm struggling to download ShardofTruth's scans. That's why I had forgotten he showed them to me... it was a download link that wasn't cooperating for me, and for that, I apologize for the resulting confusion. Once we get these issues resolved, I'd really like to get started on this project attempt, maybe even make a project page for it if the green light is given.}}
At the moment, I'm struggling to download ShardofTruth's scans. That's why I had forgotten he showed them to me... it was a download link that wasn't cooperating for me, and for that, I apologize for the resulting confusion. Once we get these issues resolved, I'd really like to get started on this project attempt, maybe even make a project page for it if the green light is given.}}
::Yes, I left this message as an IP. This was not a case of sockpuppeting. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 00:18, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, I left this message as an IP. This was not a case of sockpuppeting. - <span>[[User:EternalNothingnessXIII|<font color="black">'''Eternal'''</font>]][[User talk:EternalNothingnessXIII|<font color="darkred">'''Nothingness'''</font>]][[User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Jukebox|<font color="dimgray">'''XIII'''</font>]]</span> 00:18, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
{{KrytenKoro|OH! Also, any videos used, we need to have permission from the video uploader. No ripping off of videos in the main articles. We'll need an official statement from whoever the videos belong to, either from them signing on a project page, or an archived scan of an email.}}
{{KrytenKoro|OH! Also, any videos used, we need to have permission from the video uploader. No ripping off of videos in the main articles. We'll need an official statement from whoever the videos belong to, either from them signing on a project page, or an archived scan of an email.}}
{{EO|time=16:58, August 26, 2010 (UTC)|text=Agreed. However, isn't it kind of difficullt to just spam a bunch of YouTube channels asking for videos, especially when these people won't respond? In the end, can we say that the project can be begun? If so, I'll create the project page based on what we've established here.}}
{{EO|time=16:58, August 26, 2010 (UTC)|text=Agreed. However, isn't it kind of difficullt to just spam a bunch of YouTube channels asking for videos, especially when these people won't respond? In the end, can we say that the project can be begun? If so, I'll create the project page based on what we've established here.}}
{{neumannz|time=17:47, August 26, 2010 (UTC)|text=I'm a little confused as to how this isn't really a restatement of [[KHWiki:Project Enemy/STRATEGY]]...}}
{{neumannz|time=17:47, August 26, 2010 (UTC)|text=I'm a little confused as to how this isn't really a restatement of [[Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Project Enemy/STRATEGY]]...}}
{{EO|time=17:49, August 26, 2010 (UTC)|text=Project Enemy seems to cover lesser beings like Shadows and Dusks. This is intended for bosses like Barbossa and Vanitas. If we can make this project page a "See Also" or subpage to Project:Enemy, that's fine, too.}}
{{EO|time=17:49, August 26, 2010 (UTC)|text=Project Enemy seems to cover lesser beings like Shadows and Dusks. This is intended for bosses like Barbossa and Vanitas. If we can make this project page a "See Also" or subpage to Project:Enemy, that's fine, too.}}


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