Editing Forum:Main Page Design Ideas

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{{Bluer|03:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)|Going straight to the point, kupo, I would like to propose some small changes to the Main Page design. I'm well aware a discussion to change the wiki's layout is currently taking place, kupo.

So in conjunction, I would like to propose some navigation based on category, kupo, using image boxes, that I've seen being implemented very nicely in some Wikias, kupo. These boxes are made based on the main categories.

Basically what it will amount to is seen below, kupo: 

That's an example as I've used in the other wiki I work with, kupo. You can see it in its entirety [[wikia:megamitensei|here]], kupo. 

What do you think? Please comment }}
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{{HOO|time=[[User:HeartOfOblivion|HeartOfOblivion]] 03:24, 8 July 2009 (UTC)|text=That's cool. I think we should use it.}}

{{Marexl|text=I like it.}}
{{Azul|time=03:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)|text=I like it, but in it's entirety on the MT wiki, it runs into the featured article.}}
{{Bluer|04:07, 8 July 2009 (UTC)|Probably because of the screen resolution,}}
{{Azul|text=Hmm, I forget I'm using a smaller screen.}}
{{yer mom|time=14:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC)|text=I like it as well, can't see the image up there, but the MT wiki looks pretty with teh little cionz}}
{{BebopKate|time=21:52, 8 July 2009 (UTC)|text=That's one of those "so simple it's brilliant" suggestions, Bluer.  I like it very much; I've never been fond of the massive text box at the top of the main page.  

I'd be glad to help with images if we get to that point, but I'll leave the coding to the masters.}}
{{Bluer|02:57, 9 July 2009 (UTC)|To make sure I have the community's consent before doing this, kupo, I would like to hear everyone's opinions on two matters:
*Which category should has the boxes, kupo, and,
*Which image should be used to represent the category, kupo,
I hope everyone can chip in and tell me your opinions, kupo, and we can start this as soon as a consensus is reached. Have fun deciding,}}

{{MM841|09:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)|Hey, here's an idea. Why don't we try to make all the images, the cards from COM?}}
{{DTN|text=Brilliant! I love the idea of using cards, Ultima.}}
{{Xiggie|time=19:38, 9 July 2009 (UTC)|text=I agree, great idea :D

so, it'd look something like this (but with more categories) ?}}


{|align="center" width="100%" style="text-align:center; border: 3px solid #7786ff; clear:both; font-size:95%; font-family:verdana;"
! colspan="8" style="background:#00276c; -moz-border-radius:7.5px;" align="center"|<font color="yellow" style="font-size:17px; font-family:tahoma;">Contents</font>
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|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Key of Guidance (card).png|60px
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</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Goofy (card).png|50px
default [[:Category:Characters|Characters]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Key of Beginnings (card).png|60px
default [[:Category:Worlds|Worlds]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Key to Truth (card).png|60px
default [[:Category:Enemies|Enemies]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Potion (card).png|60px
default [[:Category:Items|Items]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Kingdom Key (card).png|60px
default [[:Category:Abilities|Abilities]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Random Joker (card).png|60px
default [[:Category:Images|Images]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Shadow (card).png|60px
default [[:Category:Templates|Templates]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|-
|<small>[[:Category:Games|Games]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Characters|Characters]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Worlds|Worlds]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Enemies|Enemies]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Items|Items]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Abilities|Abilities]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Images|Images]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Templates|Templates]]</small>
|}
{{-}}
{{Xiggie|time=19:38, 9 July 2009 (UTC)|text=I just used the categories from the 'Main Categories' section of the 'Gummi Ship' on the main page, but  I suggest that we use more :P (so we get two lines (If we get 3 more categories, we can do 5 in each row, if 5 more, then 6 in each row, etc.))

I kept the border since we currently have it on all of the boxes on the main page.

so, how is this draft of mine ?}}
{{Bluer|01:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)|Great, kupo! Perhaps you should concentrate on content, kupo. What about Category:Music or Category:Songs? I feel Category:Template isn't necessary for public viewing,}}
{{HOO|time=01:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)|text=There's also Category:Gummi and Category:Mini-games.}}
{{BebopKate|time=02:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)|text=Dude.  That is sweet.  Great idea, Ultima, and nice execution, Xiggie!  I think Music and Mini-games would work; do Gummi Ships stand out too much to count as a mini-game, though?  Also, snagging an idea from MT's wiki, what about a Merchandise section?}}
{{Xiggie|time=07:45, 10 July 2009 (UTC)|text=I think that we could use the gummi category. 

hmm...Do we have a Merchandise category/page ? I know that we have the [[Kingdom Hearts Trading Card Game|trading card game]], and the figurines (no idea what the link is)...

So if we use what we've got here, we have 11 categories (if I don't count the Template Category)
* Games
* Characters
* Worlds
* Enemies
* Items
* Abilities
* Images
* Songs
* Gummi
* Mini-Games
* Merchandise}}
{{yer mom|time=Happy b-day Nikola Tesla! 14:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)|text=Does music count as merchandise? Just wondering...}}
{{Xiggie|time=15:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)|text=Well, the Kingdom Hearts Soundtrack Discs are merchandise, but not the music itself...

So, it the [[:Category:Merchandise|Merchandise Category]], we have:
* [[Formation Arts Figures]]
* [[Play Arts Figures]]
* [[Kingdom Hearts Original Soundtrack]]
* [[Kingdom Hearts II Original Soundtrack]]
* [[Kingdom Hearts Original Soundtrack Complete]]
* [[The 13th Anthology]]

yay...

I was also wandering, can't we include the [[Kingdom Hearts (manga)|Kingdom Hearts Manga]]?}}
{{KrytenKoro|Kingdom Hearts consists of the games, the manga, the card game, the music, and merchandise.

Example: [http://wikimon.net/Main_Page]

So, I would suggest

*Games (including mini-games and stuff like vcast, possibly gameplay elements such as Sleights, Reaction Commands, Abilities)
*Manga
*Cards
*Music
*Toys/Merchandise

We also need a "Help" link, possibly linking to an admin's talk page, a noticeboard for problems (do we have one of those?), or something similar.

Once we have that, a good second row for sub-categories would be:

*Characters
*Enemies
*Items (including equipment)
*Worlds (possibly + gummi)
*Gummi (if not with worlds)
*Mythology/Misc. (Light, Heart, Realms, etc.)

Then, a good third row would be wiki material, if we really need it (it might work best to be directed to from within the "Help" section)

* Forum
* Images (links to "Special:Images as Gallery")
* Categories (links to "Special: All Categories")

Templates would not be recommended.

So, to sum up, here's what I would suggest:

*Games - DiZ
*Manga - Zexion
*Cards - Luxord
*Music - Demyx
*Toys/Merchandise - Xion

new line
*Mythology - Heartless Emblem
*Worlds - Destiny Islands or Twilight Town
*Gummi - Highwind/Excalibur
*Characters - Sora
*Enemies - Dusk or Shadow
*Items - Keyblade

new line (optional)
*User signup? - rip of Hollow Bastion Restoration Committee Membership Card
*Userboxes - ??? That crown mark used in the Journal, I guess
*Forum - can we get a rip of the job boards from Twilight Town? If not, then I guess the Heart version of Kingdom Hearts?
*Images - if we can get a rip of the "----" from Roxas's part of KH2
*Categories - rip of Jiminy's Journal
*Help - possibly generic "?", preferably Mickey
|21:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)}}
{{Xiggie|time=22:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)|text=So... we won't use CoM cards in the last line?

but anyway, here's my second draft then:}}
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File:Key of Guidance (card).png|60px
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File:Cloud (card).png|50px
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File:Roulette Room (card).png|50px
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File:Crescendo (card).png|50px
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File:Megalixir (card).png|50px
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|<small>[[:Category:Games|Games]]</small>
|<small>[[Kingdom Hearts (manga)|Manga]]</small>
|<small>[[Cards|Cards]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Music|Music]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Merchandise|Merchandise]]</small>
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|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Key of Beginnings (card).png|60px
default [[:Category:Worlds|Worlds]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Ether (card).png|60px
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desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Goofy (card).png|50px
default [[:Category:Characters|Characters]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Shadow (card).png|60px
default [[:Category:Enemies|Enemies]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Potion (card).png|60px
default [[:Category:Items|Items]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|-
|<small>[[:Category:Worlds|Worlds]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Gummi|Gummi]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Characters|Characters]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Enemies|Enemies]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Items|Items]]</small>
|-
|
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Moogle Room (card).png|60px
default [[Forum:Index|Forums]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Random Joker (card).png|60px
default [[:Category:Images|Images]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.2em;"|<imagemap>
File:Mingling Worlds (card).png|60px
default [[:Special:Categories|Categories]]
desc none
</imagemap>
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|-
|
|<small>[[Forum:Index|Forums]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Images|Images]]</small>
|<small>[[Special:Categories|Categories]]</small>
|
|}
{{-}}
{{Xiggie|time=22:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)|text=I used all of the categories Kryten listed (except Mythology and the last line stuff). and since we were thinking of using CoM cards, I used them...}}
{{Bluer|07:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)|Everything done, kupo? Okay, as a result, here we go:
*I've omitted Forum and Categories because it's mostly not something Content related, kupo. Aside from that, Forums are linked to our sidebars, kupo
*I've replaced Categories with Abilities, kupo. I also considered putting six by two, kupo. The final designs are already in place, kupo.
If there are problems please notify, kupo, and I'd say this is a triumph. Huge success,}}
{{Xiggie|time=08:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)|text=Right-on :D

But now I noticed that some of the images are slightly smaller, due to additional white pixels in the images. I'll start cropping these images right away.

EDIT: All done :D}}
{{KrytenKoro|(No, I was suggesting using actual thumbnails, not cards.) Well, that's an Ether, not a Gummi Block, so that's a problem, and Random Joker would work better for the "Cards", and a World Card (Hollow Bastion?) for Worlds. And we really do need a directory to the various mythology articles, as they form the background of the series, and would be extremely important for anyone trying to figure out what's going on - our uploaded images...not so important.

I would really suggest just including "Abilities" (like Sleights, Gears, Tech Points, and Synthesis) in a gameplay mechanics category reachable from the game link. On it's own, it's not nearly as important as the other links.

Cards should point to the ''TCG'', not to Chain of Memories.

We ''absolutely must'' have a "Help category, though. Really, it's the most important out of any of these (which honestly need to be duplicated in the nav-bar to the right) So, I would suggest folding Abilities into "Category:Gameplay", a sub-category of "Games", and replacing it with Help, then replacing Images with Mythology.}}
{{Xiggie|time=17:19, 14 July 2009 (UTC)|text=I think that the TCG cards are not right for this... as they are big, and have more on them that the images (some text), and it's the image that we're using. Sure, they can be cropped..

About the either, there was no gummi card, so I just... used something square.

Oh, and if we are gonna use these cards, we can't use the world cards, since they are much bigger! we must keep to the... "style"...

OK, I agree that changing "Abilities"  to "Gameplay" would be...eh... wise :P<br>And "Help" should definitely be included! but why not include images? I don't get that...

But we can't link to articles/categories that doesn't exist yet... so until a mythology category (or something) is created... we can't use it, can we? (well, unless we just make a new section that gives links to all of those articles (is that what you meant by "a mythology directory" ?))

:p.s. I know that you were suggesting actual thumbnails, Kryten, but since they are not present, we can't use them :P<br>but we might wanna try that out, I could start taking some screenshots and cropping them if we want to give it a try...}}
{{KrytenKoro|erg...no, "Cards" should point not to the Chain of Memories article, but to the ''Cards article''. That's why I originally suggested them as the "parts of the franchise".

"Images" is basically useless as a information source. It's just a lot of images, none of which are terribly informative. We shouldn't have it unless we're doing other, more important wiki-maintenance links.

Then create a quick Mythology category. We need something that points to: Heartless, Nobody, Unbirth, Keyhole, Light, Darkness, Nothingness. The stuff that explains the series.}}
{{Xiggie|time=08:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)|text=Oh, boy do I feel silly :P

But the cards already do link to the "[[Cards|Cards article]]".

OK, Images out, and Mythology in, ya?

would you like to create that there Mythology category, Kryten?}}
{{EO|text=I've watched this forum for quite some time, and the new Main Page looks great. But not to complain, but shouldn't the Worlds section utilize a World Card as an image? Just seems fitting. Sorry if this was brought up already.}}
{{Xiggie|time=12:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)|text=If we have a CoM World card in there... it won't look good! just see for yourself:}}
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! colspan="6" style="padding:5px; background:#00276c; -moz-border-radius:7px;" align="center"|<font color="yellow" style="font-size:17px; font-family:tahoma;">Gummi Ship &nbsp; <small>([[Special:Allpages|<span style="color:yellow;">view all pages</span>]])</small></font>
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|<small>[[:Category:Characters|Characters]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Enemies|Enemies]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Worlds|Worlds]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Images|Images]]</small>
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|style="margin:0;padding:.1em;"|<imagemap>
File:Ether (card).png|50px
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desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.1em;"|<imagemap>
File:Moogle Room (card).png|50px
default [[:Category:Abilities|Abilities]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.1em;"|<imagemap>
File:Potion (card).png|50px
default [[:Category:Items|Items]]
desc none
</imagemap>
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File:Roulette Room (card).png|50px
default [[Cards|Cards]]
desc none
</imagemap>
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|<small>[[:Category:Gummi|Gummi]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Abilities|Abilities]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Items|Items]]</small>
|<small>[[Cards|Cards]]</small>
|-
|style="margin:0;padding:.1em;"|<imagemap>
File:Key of Guidance (card).png|50px
default [[:Category:Games|Games]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.1em;"|<imagemap>
File:Cloud (card).png|50px
default [[Kingdom Hearts (manga)|Manga]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.1em;"|<imagemap>
File:Crescendo (card).png|50px
default [[:Category:Music|Music]]
desc none
</imagemap>
|style="margin:0;padding:.1em;"|<imagemap>
File:Megalixir (card).png|50px
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</imagemap>
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|<small>[[:Category:Games|Games]]</small>
|<small>[[Kingdom Hearts (manga)|Manga]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Music|Music]]</small>
|<small>[[:Category:Merchandise|Merchandise]]</small>
|}
{{Xiggie|time=12:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)|text=It sure fits in alright, huh? ''*sarcasm*''}}
{{EO|time=12:25, 15 July 2009 (UTC)|talktext=Sorry, didn't know they were that big...}}
{{KrytenKoro|Cards=>TCG. Cards=>TCG. Cards=>TCG. Cards=>TCG. Cards=>TCG. Cards=>TCG. Cards=>TCG.}}
{{Xiggie|time=19:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)|text=Eh, OK... just change it...}}
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 {{KrytenKoro|Cards=>TCG. Cards=>TCG. Cards=>TCG. Cards=>TCG. Cards=>TCG. Cards=>TCG. Cards=>TCG.}}
 {{Xiggie|time=19:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)|text=Eh, OK... just change it...}}
-{{Yer mom|time=08:10, 19 July 2009 (UTC)|text=I just noticed... and I propose a rearengement (sp? it's 3:00 am, have sum mercy XD)
-Games, Characters, Enemies and Worlds in the first row (since they are like the main in game elements<br>
-Abilities, Items, Gummi and Cards in the second row (since they are still in game elements but more like... secondary)<br>
-Manga, Merchandise, Music and Images in the third row (since they are off gameplay elements
-That's my 3 am suggestion}}