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{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Hello fellow editors of KHWiki.com and The Keyhole alike!

As part of '''"MegaProject: Arise"''' (our new project that aims to re-establish a flourishing community), we've decided to revive the magazine and podcast ideas (see [[User:MateusinhoEX/MagazineTest|this]] and it's talk page)! this forum will be where the Keyhole and KHWiki.com can both discuss how we'll go about making them. Here's what we've decided already:
*The magazine and podcast will be side-by-side with each complementing the other.
*A new issue will be released every three months.
*The magazine will be coded on the Wiki and the podcast will be in the form of an .ogg file.
*The magazine will contain a cover, contents page, summary of what's been happening in KHWiki.com for the past three months, summary of what's been happening in The Keyhole for the past three months, KH news report and a page with a link to the podcast with perhaps a summary.
**The magazine's focus will be the community and interactive pages.
*The podcast will contain a KH news report, Wiki news report and fan discussions (e.g. theories, explanations, speculation etc.)
**Side note: The topic of time travel will be a lengthy talk!
We still have yet to decide a number of things however! Here's what we need to figure out:
*For the magazine: What pages should we have? Who can write the coding?
*For the podcast: What other bits can it have? How long should it be? Who can take part in making it?
So let's discuss!}}

==Magazine Discussion==
===Sign-Up===
Please sign your name under your desired post along with a quick summary of what you will do for the page.
<small>Note: The users in control of these posts will likely alternate after each issue (except perhaps the executive editor and coder). Also, multiple editors may share one post and one user can have multiple posts so don't feel put off when someone else already signed up for a post you wanted. Maybe your ideas can be merged or your idea can be done next time!</small>

*'''Executive Editor:''' Oversees the entire process, available to help users writing the articles if needed, and hosts the mailbag.

*'''News Reporters''': Writes news for Wikis and KH.
**Cause I handle the Journal on the wikia, I can also write up the news section for the KH series. {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 14:50, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

*'''Coders:''' Runs the template and ensures it is working correctly.
**I can make the main coding and the variables for putting the content. I can also help the other editors formatting the topics as they want. E.G.: changing text and background color, adding margins, borders and things like that
**{{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}}

*'''Special Editor:''' Writes the Special Editor Page.

*'''Wiki Helpers:'''' Writes the Dive to the Heart.
**The several types of links: <nowiki>[[One]] [Two] and {{Three}}</nowiki> {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}}

*'''Interviewers:''' Writes up the Round Room and perhaps user interviews for the User Page.

*'''Reviewer:''' Writes a review and "Top 5 List" for the User Page.
**I'd like to just do the Top 5 list (best magic commands in Re:coded). {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}}

*'''Puzzlers:''' Makes the Game Grid.

*'''Artists:''' Draws the front cover and a piece of fanart for Namine's Sketchbook.

*'''Proof Reader:''' Double checks all other pieces.
**If you guys are still looking for someone to do this, I'd be happy to help. {{User:RoxasNobody/sig}}
===Discussion===
''See [[Forum:Magazine and Podcast!/Archive 1#Magazine]]''

===Crunch Time===
''See [[Forum talk:Magazine and Podcast!]]''

====Final Publication Details====

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 00:05, 29 June 2014 (UTC)|angry=Whee! Issue #1 is a go.

If we only have one piece for the KM, it's not a bad thing; it means we can go with FR's plan. Also, has the template been copied onto the Keyhole yet? Is the Keyhole advertising the magazine?}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=01:27, 29 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=There currently is no mention of the magazine on the Keyhole. If you guys need help over there, just tell us. I, for one, am ready to help.}}

I got the Keyhole handled. I'll advertise when the issue is actually out. I still need to know what images can be uploaded here. Oh, and we might wanna archive this page. :P {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 04:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for updating the template, KSM. I just noticed I updated the wrong place as you made the edit. >_> I have made a [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Flick_Rush_Medal task medal] on the Keyhole, if someone wants to copy the coding over here. {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 15:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=16:39, 30 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Forum has been archived, though we may need a new forum to archive, 'cuz now the talk page needs archiving (that's where I put the archives to this forum). Also, I apologize, FR, for having forgotten to mention you in the Template:Magazine for your contributions, you truly deserve it. Regarding the Template, I guess we could copy it here. I don't see why not, just that people may not use it (they may just display it in the body of their userpage rather than with the template.}}

Oh, it's no problem, KSM. XD So I automatically went little corner medal for the Flick Rush, but do you think a box reward would be better? Something like the rewards for the merge project you did here? {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 16:17, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=16:41, 30 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Well, I'll still copy the template over. Just in case.}}

{{neumannz|time=17:55, 30 June 2014 (UTC)|text=Start archiving to [[Forum:Magazine and Podcast!/Archive 1]], etc.}}

{{UnknownChaser|time=18:35, 30 June 2014 (UTC)|black=Podcast is being uploaded, should be done in the next 3-4 hours, depending on how my internet hates me. Here's the url link for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU_YMQnHla0 to be used when its up.}}

{{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 08:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)|roxas=We did it guys! Now we wait for the next season.}}

===Template Talk===
{{FinalRest|time=05:58, 14 June 2014 (UTC)|happy=New section to keep the template separate from the article discussion. Also, I apologise in advance for the wall of text I know I'm about to type out.

So, as of yesterday, I have done all I can in regards to the coding of the template. I'm gonna go page by page and list the issues I see/changes I've made/opinions I need for what we have. Please take a look at [[User talk:MateusinhoEX/MagazineTest#Test|the test run]] so you can take a look at what I'm referring to. :) Also note that I am referring to the template ONLY. In other words, if I say a page is done, I mean the code for the page, not the articles/other content within it.

;Cover + Contents
*Both pages are done and dusted
;Ansem Reports
*This isn't a necessity but I would still appreciate if someone could figure out how to space out the boxes a bit. Basically, I want the boxes to look like [http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y390/Snozcumsmees/Wiki/Untitled-1copy_zpse12589f2.png this].
*There's still no answer to how to add videos to the template. We can always just include links to trailers and things, but I think being able to include the proper videos would make the journal section (and any other sections with videos) much more visually pleasing.
;Unlocking the Keyhole
*Done
;The Door to Light
*Do ya'll want log sections to match the keyhole?
*Are you scrapping the Command Board section? Cause I'll cut it from the code if you are. :)
;The Coliseum
*Probably our most indecisive page. ;D First, I can't remember if the Recent Battles section was given the go ahead. What do you guys think of that section?
*Ah, the debated Coming Soon sections. We really need to come to final decision with these. I think I'm the only one that likes the images advertising the upcoming contestants, and the preferred method is the banner, right? Well I'm fine with just the same image for each issue, but I'd press for listing the contestants underneath the banners to give people a reason to click there. Basically, we need to click bait. Any ideas for how to do so?
*I spaced out the debate section of the page. Is the convo easy to follow?
*Also with the debate section, is there a way to implement the speech bubble codes into the main template? Not a biggie, but doing so would cut down the mag's article coding quite a bit.
;The Keyblade Master
*Done. All the personalized stuff will be left to whoever the KM is for the issue.
;Dive to the Heart
*Like with the Ansem page, I would like a gap between the boxes if possible.
;The Round Room
*Where are we hosting the audio and video? Let me know so I can add the correct codes in.
*Will the Podcast peeps be taking topic requests? Let me know if I have to add in a section for contact details. :)
*Should I add in a "Starring..." box? You know, a place to list all the people participating in the recording? Or will it be included under the In this episode box?
*Regardless of the outcome of the above, are avatars still going to be used to identify speakers in the video? If so, I'll make sure there's room in the template.
;Mark of Mastery Exam
*Done, I think.
;Naminé's Sketchbook
*Changed the colors a bit. Are they okay?
*I couldn't figure out how to get the boxes to hug the images. Can anyone help? I would like it to look more like [http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y390/Snozcumsmees/Wiki/2_zps35f26d2b.png this].
*Is all the art we feature on this page going to be from our editors? Or will we feature random fan art? Need to know for coding purposes. ^^
;The Grid
*So I added a little story into the Guess the Beast part, so it was a bit more dynamic than just "Guess the Beast". But it's hella cheesy. XP Feel free to make it... better.
*Riddles! I think we might want to include more. What do you think for a max number?
*The Grid looks barren and I think we need to add some more features. I looked at my original pitch for the page to get some ideas and these were the ideas we had:
:#A Puzzle. Like, a ''proper'' puzzle. Is there anyone here who knows how to make wordfinds or crosswords etc?
:#A KH Skit. The original thinking behind this was like a recurring comic, but in script form... or even if comic form, if someone was willing to whip that up. I was thinking of it being based around the same characters, with room for expansion to a bigger cast. We could do it on KH (The Adventures of Axel! Today's episode: The struggle with fire insurance) or maybe some editors could collaborate on their own adventures (Chainoffire and FinalRest in... Nose Punch III: Fisticuffs!) or even mix the two together (The Adventures of Axel! Today's episode: Why are those two idiots punching each other in the nose?)
:#A one shot voting arena for the readers to participate in in the comments... or talk page, I dunno. We could also use this one to advertise the next issue. For example, in a Namine VS Roxas battle, we could have whoever wins be featured on the next cover, or the subject of one of the next articles etc.
*Those are just the old ideas, so others are welcome. Long story short: we need something else for the Grid page, so it isn't so basic.
;Flick Rush
*Does the format for the mailbag look alright?
*Is the mailbag always going to be one question? Or multiple? If the latter, what is the max number?
*I changed the To Do Lists, to make the tasks smaller than the original ones set, as an example of what they should look like. The idea is that they're small, manageable tasks to encourage editing.
And that's all I've got! I really need opinions on all of the above, so I can put the template aside with the knowledge that we've done all we can to it. Oh, and feel free to comment on anything else you want to change/add. Finally, I apologise to all the editors whose names I've randomly chucked throughout the test. XD}}

I'm trying out some title banners for the pages. Please take a look at the test page and let me know what you think. :) {{User:FinalRest/Sig}} 10:47, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=15:43, 14 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Ok, first of all, cool title banners. I wish I was that creative. They're just awesome.

I'm going to go into the pages that FR has highlighted as having problems.

'''Ansem Report''': Finished! I found the code needed , it's a code called "border-spacing". Feel free to play with it all you want. As far as the video(s), the problem was with the pipes (<nowiki>|</nowiki>) in the border code. I fixed it this morning as well. Technically (and I checked), you could just add a video without the border/titles, just the youtube parameters (<nowiki><youtube>YouTube URL here</youtube></nowiki>). It just looks less...appealing.

'''The Door to Light''': I feel like the Logs are out, except for the new users log. I also wish to have the Command Board back, but as FM noted, the contents of it are very redundant to the Trinity Archives. If we bring the Command Board Back, we'd have to get rid of the Trinity Archives. So, I don't know if we want it or not.

'''The Coliseum''': Again, I feel the Mirage Arena/Underdrome sections need to be reduced a bit, just not too much that they become filler sections or random, out-of-place sections. I really don't like a banner alone. It seems too simple and random.

'''Dive to the Heart''': Again, finished with the border spacing code.

'''The Round Room''': I really don't know much about the podcast, that seems to be something among the people doing it. Perhaps asking them (ChainofFire) would prove useful...

'''Naminé's Sketchbook''': I totally screwed up this page for, like, fifteen minutes. I couldn't get the boxes to hug the image, sorry. My idea (and maybe you can get it to work) is to have the image inside a one cell table inside the table that you coded. That way, the background of the inner, one-cell table would be filled in the yellow/pink gradient, and the background of the outer, existing table would be set to none, to seem transparent and non-existent, even though it's there. Just a thought, though, and it get complicated because it'd be an image within a table within a table within a tabber page designed/coded as another table. Really complicates things, especially with that stupid pipe (<nowiki>|</nowiki>) problem.

'''Guess the Beast''': Yeah, the story is really cheesy and childish, but I can't make it any better. As far as any other things, I'm open to most of it. The only thing I have a hard time seeing as lasting is the skit, just because I don't know if we can get enough people interested in writing one up. But if we can, why not? I can't come up with any other ideas at the moment.

'''Flick Rush''': I had wondered out loud (I think here or on the draft talk page) about how hard the poll extension would be to install. Again, not entirely sure I like having to go to polldaddy to make our polls, though I guess if we don't have a choice, it's fine. The mailbag looks great, I think a max number would be three.

Everything else looks great! Thanks so much on your help, FinalRest, it's really appreciated!}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 01:50, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|sad=My points:
*'''The Door to Light:''' Yeah, I think we're scrapping all the logs, except the New Users (and that already has its own section anyway). In terms of the Command Board, I got it wrong earlier. The Trinity Archives tells people news of Wiki affairs (i.e. new affiliations), while the Command Board tells people news about projects (such as Mega Project Arise) so we should have both on there.
*'''The Coliseum:''' See what I wrote above under the "Crunch Down" section.
*'''Round Room:''' A "Starring" bar sounds like a good idea. It could even become a "Meet the Cast" where each participant introduces themselves.
*'''Namines Sketchbook''': Ideally it should be our own fanart but if we're at a stretch, we can compile fanart (crediting the painters if needed)
*'''The Grid''': I liked the little story; I thought it was perfect! I think there should be enough riddles to fill the empty space in the box so an arbitrary amount. I could make a crossword but someone will have to help editing the image to make the background transparent and whatnot. I'm not sure the skit will work because it'd be hard making a comic for it (but if we do, it'd be more suited for Namine's Sketchbook). I don't think the voting arena is a good idea because we already have the Coliseum so we don't want any redundancy. Also, we need contact details for the Grid.

'''EDIT''': With the crossword, I made an [http://i.imgur.com/4ncMIYS.png example] but someone will need to edit the image to match the Grid style (transparent it, make the text more readable, perhaps recolour it). Is there anything I can do myself bearing in mind the best image editing program I have is MS paint?}}

{{FinalRest|time=17:06, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|normal4=I finished all the banners! Are there any you want changed? Let me know what you think would be better and I'll whip it up. If there are no problems with the banners, should I upload them here? If I do, what category should they go under?

'''Ansem Report''': *Smothers KSM in hugs* Thanks so much for fixing those! It's always good to have a fresh pair of eyes. ^_^

'''The Door to Light''': Okay, no logs for you. :) I think you can just use the Trinity Archives for the Command Board stuff, because if the command board is for project updates, then that falls under wiki news. But if the command board is just a list of all the projects and you guys really want a section for that, then I think we should add that section to Flick Rush, under the to do lists. Also, I'm not sure who did the title logo for Door to Light, but could you please make it so the words fit on one line and up the size to 90 pixels high? Please and thank you!

'''Naminé's Sketchbook''': I tried messing around with your idea, KSM, but also had no luck... For the Sketchbook, I also read that the original idea was for it to display ''all'' creative things our editors have been working on. For example, we could include talk bubbles people are proud of, or if the wiki gets a change of skin we can showcase that. Or should we limit it to art only?

'''Round Room:''' Okay then, could someone involved in the podcast tell me if a) there's a max number of cast members per episode and b) if you'd want to write bios (which I think is a fun idea).

'''Mark of Mastery''': Should we put contact details here for people to suggest ideas for Top 5 or Reviews? Ditto for the Coliseum, but in regards to the debate.

'''The Grid''': Haha, I read KSM's comment and was going to try and rewrite it, but if you like it FM, I'll leave it. ^_^ I upped the riddle count to 5, so it fills the box more. And yay for crosswords! What are we thinking for the puzzle section name? And the puzzle makes the page much more interesting. We can store away those other ideas for the future. :) Now, I know we are offering rewards for the to do lists, but do we want to do them for the Grid? We could simplify the process by just creating hover links to reveal the answers.

'''Flick Rush''': I upped the mailbox count to three! For the to do lists, is proof necessary for the game tasks? I think it might be easier to go on good faith, although proof is needed for the wiki tasks, of course. Also, where are we going to list the people who earned medals? To code an winners box into the mag would mean there'd be an empty box in the first issue. What about putting them in the first box in the Ansem Reports page? Prime real estate to encourage other users...

The magazine's looking great! You guys have been awesome! :D

Also, I apologise because I am forever writing essays on this page. >_<}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:04, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|default=*Yeah, I don't really mind joining the command board and trinity archives together. 
*I think any "creative" pieces sounds good for namine's sketchbook.
*I don't think we should add contact details for top 5 and review cos it'd be better if the editors think of their own original ideas. 
*I think we should do the hoverlinks.
*We can try going on good faith for the first issue.
*With the box, I think we shouldn't worry about it for now. It's inevitable the template will change sometime in the future when we have new ideas so don't worry about the future templates affecting the older archives; we can always archive templates and change links and whatnot.
<small>Now I really need to sleep :P</small>}}
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=18:03, 16 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=I agree with what FM has said above. Specifically regarding the contact details, I think that is easily addressed with the talk page. Viewers can simply give suggestions on the talk page for other battles, since FR mentioned the Coliseum. But for the Top 5 and Review, it should be just the editors' own ideas.
*How are the hoverlinks going to work for the crossword?
*Regarding the name, the puzzle section could simply be named "The Light Cycle", since it's Tron-related, and it reminds me of the Light Cycle from Space Paranoids in ''Kingdom Hearts II''.
*I'll get on the image for the Door to Light. Now that I've seen your images, I've been inspired a little on how to do it. The same for the Light Cycle, if you want.
*Regarding the story: Again, I can't make it any better, so keep it! 
I think that's it!}}
{{FinalRest|time=04:19, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|happy3=Okay, I'll add in hoverlinks now!

For the crossword, we'll have to make two versions: one with empty boxes, another with the filled in answers. Then we can link the completed puzzle underneath so people can check their work. If the crossword on there now is the one we'll use upon release, can whoever made it (I think it might've been MEX, but I'm not sure ;P) make another version with the answers written in? Also for the Crossword, could we put the clues in normal text so it's easier to read? Oh, and should these sorts of puzzles have a print out version? I'm not sure how we'd do that, though.

I'll add in a winner's box now, then!

The Light Cycle is a great name! You can go ahead and make the title if you want, but I'm here if you want me to do it. :)

EDIT: How do the hovers look? And is someone on top of the userpage medal for completing the tasks?}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:35, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|confused=With the crossword, instead of making a second version with filled in answers, we could alternatively add the answers by adding hoverlinks over each clue. However, if we do that, we need to cut the text from the image and write out the text in wikicode so it's equally preferable to stick with linking to a filled-in version. The clues would be better off in normal text. We could do a print out version by linking to an image that has the right dimensions and is black and white (I'm sure there's a more sophisticated/better way of doing it though).

And really, what do people think about dropping the "Station of Awakening" name still? If we must have a section name, should we change it to "The Games" to stick with the Coliseum theme?}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=21:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Ok, I'm out as far as the crossword goes. I don't know how we'd do it, as far as the answers go. Maybe put a link to them in the following issue, like other magazines often do? I'm fine with whatever you guys decide regarding that.

I'm also okay with dropping the Station of Awakening name, if you guys choose to do so.}}

{{UnknownChaser|time=05:30, 18 June 2014 (UTC)|white=I don't where to bring this up, but this seems to be the right place. But for the page with the Round Room,theres needs to be a section to be put a [http://roosterteeth.com/podcast/episode.php?id=267 link dump/show notes].}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=05:41, 18 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Ok, I'll add that tomorrow, unless someone else beats me to it. 

'''Sidenote:'''Anyone notice when someone adds a talk bubble, for some reason, all the talk bubbles after FM's first talk bubble in the Template Talk section is turned back to links? It hasn't done it to me, yet, but it's done it to FM's edit and UC's edit. And then it fixes it without having to do anything more than just clicking "Edit" and then "Save Page", with no changes. Someone ought to get on that.

'''EDIT''': Well, now it did it to me...}}

"Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included." So that explains much of what's missing on the page [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster|KeybladeSpyMaster]] ([[User talk:KeybladeSpyMaster|talk]]) 05:45, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

*KSM:That means this page needs to be archived.
Chaser: There is already a description sections on the roundroom page, we'll put it there. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 05:51, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

{{UnknownChaser|time=16:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)|white=Description =/= Show notes. The description is there to describe what we're talking about; i.e "''On this week, we talk about blank and blank...''"

Show notes/link dump is there for us to put links to the discussion we talk about. A good example of descriptions and show note is with the [http://superbestfriendcast.com/ superbesfriendcast].}}

==Podcast==
''See [[Forum:Magazine and Podcast!/Archive 1#Podcast Discussion]]''