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==Just saying...==
Even though it dosen't really make sense, I think Axel is Riku's nobody. This would make sense because if you look at all the pictures of Kingdom Hearts games you'll find something in common. When Riku, Sora and Kairi all stand by that one tree on Destiny Islands they always stand in the same order: Sora at the back, Kairi in the middle, and Riku at the front. Now I was saw a picture from 358/2 days that shows Roxas, Xion, and Axel all standing at the same tree in the same order. Plus Roxas and Axel are friends the same way Riku and Sora are. I know Riku turned into a heartless at some point so he has to have one. So basically we have instead of the order being Sora, Kairi, Riku; its Sora's nobody, Kairi's nobody, and then Riku's nobody?

Heres the pictures:

http://www.khinsider.com/images/%21%21/kh01x.jpg

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a152/ninawolfess/RikuKairiandSora.jpg

They even have the same posture o.o

A little too off topic but i just want to say it; I think Terra is Riku's rebirth and I think Xion is definatly the nobody of Sora and Kiari because if you simply take the O from Sora's name and the I from Kairi's name and add an X then its Xion.

{{KrytenKoro|Namine is the Nobody of Sora and Kairi. That much is canon, and undisputable.

As for Axel - He is implied to have existed for awhile before Roxas did (both through talk of not having feelings til Roxas came around, and for being the second of the new members), and Sora didn't become a Heartless much after Riku "lost" his heart. Plus. Riku is not spelt with an a, l, or e.

Honestly, for Xion, it might be something like Xehnort - take out the X, you have "No I". Maybe she simply doesn't have a "somebody".}}

{{TNE|text=xnaminex was once talking about Namine and DiZ, and how Namine was talking about Sora's leaked memories, and making a reference to Xion. Think Xion could be formed out of those leaked memories ?

As for Axel... I'm lost.}}

{{Amy Cotton|text=We will figure out who's nobody Axel was soon. If you take out the X in his name, it might give us a clue. E.g. Lea, Ale. But I would go with the latter since Ale was the name of a drink Reno liked.}}

{{TNE|attntext=On second thought, we may have to refute the "leaked" memories theory. See the section "New Theory" <s>below</s> in [[Talk:Xion]].}}

{{PrincessAndie|text= Person who posted the pic, GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE!!! I was thinking the exact same thing. I think Axel is Riku's nobody, or at least formed from part of him. But we'll see in Days.}}

==Yeah==
Axel is so kewl. He rox. It's so sad that he has to die. :(


sorry to bother who ever may be reading this but I think there should be a section called "abilities" of "attacks" and under it should be a list of all axel's sleights in chain of memories. If there is no response I will try to make a list myself and add it here when its done so that then a member can add it to the page if they like but I tell you it will take ages for me to do it so perhaps you should get your guys on it. but only if you want.

Luis

:Well, I believe that in CoM, all he has is Fire Tooth and Fire Wall, and with RE:Com, Its Fire Wall, Fire Cutter version 1 and Fire cutter version 2.

==Original Name==
This is just a thought, but could his original name possibly be Alex? ( nobody said it couldn't have an X in it already. )
:But '''Tetsuya Nomura'''-san did '''not''' state that name is official.--NeloAngelo 07:13, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, it was just a question, you didn't have to be so rude
:::He's just saying that you can only put things that are confirmed, not "what if"s or "possibly"s[[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 03:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I know, but I never said anything about actually posting it. besides you guys put a "possibly" on Larxene's name
:::::Did not, some anon added it, and since I'll probably screw up reverting it, I rest my case.--NeloAngelo 07:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::It's also been stated that a Nobody name is the original name with the additional X, so only if his name had two X's could it have been Alex originally. The Patron Saint of Lost Causes 19:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

This is Axel's real name its Lea pronounced as "Lee".
:ORLY? [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 02:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
yes im making a list of everyones real name
:Ahem, well the thing is... we can only put stuff that Nomura said himself you know. But if you want to try to guess them go ahead, as long as they don't go into the actual article... [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 00:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
{{Omni Terra|time=03:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)|text=Axel's original name wasn't Lea. Axel is based on a certain FF character whose favorite drink was Ale so there ya go. I'm also fairly sure Nomura confirmed it in an interview.}}
:Eh, well, we gotta have the link, and I've checked every single one of the interviews, and none of them said that, only the based-off Reno part, not the ale. Besides, Nomura probably wouldn't use an explanation for a name to be based on FF characters that some people who play KH wouldn't know about...[[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 04:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
He is based off of Reno from Final Fantasy Advent Children. Beth B.

Yeah I noticed they have the same voice [[User:Rikloud|Rikloud]] 17:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

:Axel was partially based off of Reno, as Tetsuya Nomura has already confirmed, because he wanted to "put a familiar character in an unfamiliar scenario". They are not related in any way other than that unless Tetsuya Nomura says otherwise. The only members whose names have even remotely been revealed are Xemnas, Xigbar, Xaldin, Vexen, Lexaeus, Zexion, and Roxas. As for the Larxene comment, the fact that some common names can be made from her name is just trivia, not speculation. Now listing all the possible names for her or any other member, ''that'' is speculation. [[User:LapisScarab|LapisScarab]] 01:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


Okay but 'Lea' or 'Ale'? Honestly, I can see why Axel would want to change his name if it was either. I can't see him as a 'Lea'. Ale would be a pretty odd name for someone. Who would name their kid 'Ale'? [[User:Lady Nevaeh|Lady Nevaeh]] 07:00, 1 June 2009




{{unbirthtalk|text= In a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGqdefFBmHs 358/2 cutscene], we can hear Saïx calling Axel "Lea" (I think). If it's his real name, it'll be a bit stupid, 'cause Lea in France is a girl name -__- }}




It is indeed true. Axel's Somebody name is Lea. Day 299 (Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days). Saix calls Axel; Lea. I do believe it's pronounced "Lee" which in my opinion isn't feminine. I just played that part the other night. Trust me, it's true. It's not "Ale".

== Quick question ==

Yeah, mine is about Axel's name, his orginal self, just basically it does not have to be Axel rearranged with an x taken out, remember, he could've taken on that name or something much like that, like Xemnas did, as his real name is not Ansem but Xehonart.
Just a thought is all [[Special:Contributions/121.72.8.134|121.72.8.134]] 23:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Well its a cool thought I'll give ya that[[Special:Contributions/90.202.236.189|90.202.236.189]] 09:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Quick thought ==

Yeah, mine is about Axel's name, his orginal self, just basically it does not have to be Axel rearranged with an x taken out, remember, he could've taken on that name or something much like that, like Xemnas did, as his real name is not Ansem but Xehonart.
Just a thought is all [[Special:Contributions/121.72.8.134|121.72.8.134]] 23:58, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:It didn't HAVE to go through the anagram thing. If he got permission from Xemnas and a good reason to. Last time I checked, they weren't on good terms, so it probably is an anagram. [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 00:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
NOOOOO thats false his true name was Xenhort but wen he bacame a heartless he took the form of Ansem the Wise and when Ansem became a nobody it rearranges Ansem with an w to form Xemnas

==A little help with Axel's Data Replica, please ?==


{{TNE|attntext=I tried taking Axel out but before I could even get rid of his '''first''' bar of HP, Sora died. The reaction command didn't appear and Sora's HP was depleted walking on the fiery floor.

A little help here, please, and thank you !}}

I'm not sure, I don't have Final Mix but I think the Reaction only appears when you finish a combo, or when he hides in flames (Shrugs)

{{TNE|text=Okay, let me give it in a little more detail. The HP bar depletes faster when Sora's on the flames. Hiding in flames is not going to trigger the Reaction Command (this is similar for all Data Replica battles).}}

might be late but i meant when ''Axel'' hides in the flames.

== Uhh.... ==

Umm...I have a question:Is possible for humanoid Nobodies to...have kids?

[[User:GohanRULEZ|gohanRULEZ]] 18:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I suppose the only things they're missing are hearts but.....


BUT?

[[User:GohanRULEZ|gohanRULEZ]] 18:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

{{Xiggie|text=hehe, I've thought about this before :P ''Can nobodies breed?''}}

wow... what an odd question. uuummmmmm... my guess would be yes. Because in physically speaking, they have human bodies. but then agian, a Nobody child would has no heart, something needed for complete exsistance. But it would be a Nobody child, meaning it would never be complete in the first place.... my guess is still yes though. -[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

{{Gohantalk|time=It's time to break stuff!|text=Good! I was gonna write an Fanfic were Axel and Shizune from Naruto were going to get together and have a Kid.}}

.....good..luck. glad i could...help.. O.o -[[User:Xnaminex|xNaminéx]]

{{SorcerorNobodyTalk
|time=17:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
|text=I see no reason why they couldn't reproduce. Still, while we're on the subject of Organization member physiology, I personally like the idea that, just like other Nobodies, the humanoid ones also have the emblem on their body somewhere. Kinda like a tattoo, except it's intrinsic to their body. :P
|category=Nobiology (a name for an academic area of study I just made up)
}}

The only problem with the theory is that Nobodies are supposed to be nonexistent. What's more, they're created from the body of a strong-hearted person turned Heartless. If they wanted to reproduce, they could just throw people into the darkness. [[User:Keyblader|Keyblader]] 20:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
{{SorcerorNobodyTalk
|time=13:24, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
|text=That wouldn't be reproduction, Keyblader. That'd be increasing the "population", but we're discussing reproduction in the biological sense. Seriously though, it would be interesting to say the least.

Picture the scene: Xemnas and Saïx are discussing a new mission...<font color=#000000 face="courier">
 Saïx:   ...and which member should I assign this mission to, Xemnas?
 Xemnas: Larxene hasn't been assigned anything for a while. Send her.
 Saïx:   I think she's still on maternity leave for a few more weeks.
 Xemnas: <facepalms></font>
It would be pretty funny if that happened :P
|category=Nobiology discussion
}}Kishi: Nobodies cannot Reproduce, because they don't have hearts which means they don't have blood in their bodies, which means they cannot get erections or blush... so they cannot reproduce or any such thing. There.

{{Maggosh|text=You do know we're talking about the ''spiritual'' heart, right? If they didn't have physical hearts they wouldn't be able to live (or non-live), move their limbs, speak, etc. So they could very well reproduce.

@SN: Full of win, mate.}}

:But if they do have babies, then it wouldn't be able to age since- wait... Nobodies can't age so if they made a nobody baby would that mean it would stay a baby forever? --[[User:Sencilia|Sencilia]] 02:07, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

== Bad Language ==
Is it true that Axel said 'damn' in Chain of Memories?Pizzahut101 02:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=I'm not sure, but I know he said it in the prologue of Kingdom Hearts II, when he was trying to abduct Roxas for the first time.}}

I don't think "Hell" counts as a swear. That's profanity, but not actual bad language.

The only thing that could ever be called a swear in COM was that "give me a hell of a show!" thing.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 07:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=But I wouldn't entirely say that Axel is foul-mouthed... I mean, of course, he goes past the limits of an E-rated game, but unlike most others, he has emotions, and that's what earns him our sympathy.}}

I was very sad when poor Axel died. He and Roxas are the only members that don't desearve to die (dispite Roxas still being alive). Amalia 12:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=True..... Why is it that the mentors must always die ? Ansem the Wise died. Axel died. Goodness knows what happened to Terra (and God forbid, he became Xehanort !).}}




I wouldn't be amazed if Axel cussing is true, in my opinion Axel is probably the weirdest character so far.--[[User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart|PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart]] 18:01, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

{{Rikloud|text=he is also one of the coolest the others being Roxas and Riku}}

{{Flashpenny | It's kinda a golden rule of pop culture: video games, movies, books etc. If there's a character that's lovable and everyone likes, they're screwed. What happened to Gandalf in the first Lord of the Rings movie? Read Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Watch Dante's Peak and tell me what happens to Granny Ruth. You get my point.}}

{{PrincessAndie|text= he does cuss in CoM, I just got to that point in the game. But I don't think he said... da- ... uh... the D word in CoM, if he does, I haven't seen it yet.

( I don't believe in cussing anymore, so I try not to say that stuff anymore. :( It's really hard. )}}

It was when he used Namine to double-cross Marluxia and Larxene. The words were changed when it went to Re: CoM. [[User:Keyblader|Keyblader]] 20:09, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

"weirdest" would probably be Xigbar (or demyx).

== rip off ==

Me (xion) and my brother (axl) were using the screen names xion and axl for years before kingdom hearts came out . Some game desingers saw us on the net and stole our names.--[[Special:Contributions/208.118.200.168|208.118.200.168]] 19:11, 30 March 2009 (UTC) xion.

{{Xiggie|shocked=again, I really doubt that!

plus, how does axl connect to Ax'''e'''l?

anyway, Axel is somewhat based on a FF character named Reno, his favorite drink was ALE, and rumbled together +X, they make Axel!

plus, If my name was the same as a KH character, I'd be delighted!}}
:Sorry if I sound rude, anon, but get over yourself.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 00:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
{{TNE|blahtext=I do have to agree with Xiggie and Urutapu. Just because your screen names feature in Days ? '''''Get real''''', buddy. It should be an honour !}}
{{Guardian Soul|text=Obviously a coincidence.}}

It would be an honor to have characters in Kingdom Hearts share your username. I would be really pleased if they will have a character be called Princess Andie!--[[User:PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart|PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart]] 17:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
{{Firaga44|text=that would be cool if they had a character named after me}}

You're kidding me, right? You think that a board of Creators in Japan is going to say, "Oh, look! We can take these two random names from the internet! It works perfectly! And one of them even sounds like a common enough Japanese name! Doesn't this work so nicely?" Lose the sense of grandeur. [[User:Keyblade Mage|Keyblade Mage]] 00:54, 28 June 2009 (UTC)Keyblade Mage
{{Yuffie Kisaragi|blah=Axel (possibly) got his name of the drink Reno liked to drink (ale) and Xion is a very popular Japanese name i know at least 5 things that have the name xion...}}

"Axel is a common ''american'' name there is even a famous singer named Axel if im not mistaken... And Xion means tide in japanese"~ the axel thing was stated by me and the xion thing was stated by wiki.

{{Durrf9|time=14:33, March 12, 2010 (UTC)|text=wow these are both really common names you think they would just use one name they got of the internet and just use the other name 5 years late? wow just get over it!}}

== Axel used to know Saïx? ==

{{Guardian Soul|text="Axel: 'When I'm talking with Roxas and Xion,
I remember my time as a human. Various memories of my childhood come back to me,
and I get some kind of weird feeling.
You'd think I could talk to Saix in the same way, but,
weirdly enough I don't feel like talking to him like that.
It's only a strangely fond thought.
It's not me who's changed... it's you.'"

That's translated from one of the secret reports.}}
{{KrytenKoro|Well, for all intents and purposes Axel is Reno, so maybe Saix and possibly Demyx or Luxord are meant to embody other Turks? It is after all a virtually analogous organization.}}

{{unbirthtalk|text=I bet we'll see their somebodies (Axel's and Saïx's) in BBS. They're probably childhood friends, who've lost their hearts when their world was destroyed (but after BBS, since they weren't probably nobodies yet when the Organization was created). 

The only thing I'm worried about is Axel's real name, '''Lea'''... It's a girl name...}}
{{TNE|happytext=Yowzer, how could they ever think of naming a boy Lea ? Unless the name cites Richard At Lea, one of the characters from the legendary Robin Hood.

Ale is possible, but it's Reno's fave drink. Ela ? Lae ? Yikes. And Saix ? Goodness knows what his real name is.

@Kryten : Luxord ? Perhaps. Larxene ? Definitely. Demyx ? I don't know. Saix ? I don't think so. Were there any berserk-ish people among the Turks ?}}
{{yer mom|text=Well IMO Saïx does resemble Tseng, in the cool silent type, of course he didn't go berserk but that might come with the Nobodyness XD! Who knows}}

{{NinjaSheik|happy=Wow, GS! I'm impressed! Where'd you find those translations, huh? Huuh? Please, tell me or show me the link! And what secret reports, do you mean from Roxas's Diary?

On any note, I think Saix and Axel did know each other back in the past. I think, when I heard Saix called Axel his true name, Lea, I think Saix was the one who'd found him, when he joined the Organization!}}

{{Xiggie|text=Whoa whoa, when was that?}}

{{NinjaSheik|text=In 358/2 Days, Xiggie. I've watched the Japanese gameplay on YouTube.}}

{{SorcerorNobodyTalk
|time=20:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
|text=Re: Turks: Larxene is only one letter wrong for a xagranam of Elena, and both of them have blonde hair...
|category=Suggestion
}}

{{unbirthtalk|text=They both have blond hair, but their personnality are really different.

For Axel, in a secret report (can be found at heartstation) we can read this:

"Day 356 — Happenings Outside What I Assumed (Saix)

Things such as Roxas and Xion both pulling out of the Organization wasn’t part of our plan. Why did this happen? Roxas had become strong enough to knock me down. Lea, what did you want to do in the end? The plan we decided when the two of us joined the Organization together… No, that’s also already just a pipe dream. Everything has changed, hasn’t it? You, and me too…"

So, they do join the Organization at the same time. What could this plan be ?}}

{{Joekeybladeaura|text=Maybe they were gonna overthrow the organizaton like marluxia}}

{{Flashpenny | The page also says they probably once were friends but I find this hard to believe. Last time I checked most friends don't put a bounty on other friends' heads prompting an army of Dusks to attempt to hunt him down.}}
{{SorcerorNobodyTalk
|time=18:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
|text=Firstly, yellow text + white background = eye strain.<br><br>Secondly, you may have noticed that Saïx is a cold emotionless git. I think you'll find that's because he became a Nobody, hence the deterioration of the friendship that used to exist between <insert Saïx's true name here> and Lea. The key phrase is in your own post: they ''were'' friends, past tense.
|category=Reprimand and explanation, respectively
}}
{{Flashpenny | Good point.

Also I fail to see why you're complaining 'bout my text box. Is there something wrong with your monitor because it's yellow text over a blue background which is clearly readable.}}
:...no, your template code clearly states that it's yellow on lightred, which isn't a code-color, so it goes to white. I corrected it to "pink", but it's still pretty unreadable.

== Hey guys. Crazy story ==
{{PrincessAndie|text= When I was playing Re: CoM, my mom thought Axel was a girl!!! XD Just wanted to say that...}}

== Lea ==

{{EO|time=12:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)|happytext=How should I be pronouncing "Lea" as of yet? I know that Days isn't out yet, but should I be saying "Leah", "Lee-ay", or "Lee"?}}
:I think it's "Lee-uh". [[User:JudgmentDay95]] 13:04 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::That's right.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 18:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
{{EO|time=20:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)|happytext=Thanks. I hate that pronunciation, sounds to "girly" for Axel, but Ok. I think "Lee-ay" would be much better, but on the plus side, at least I've been saying it right...}}
{{Xiggie|time=21:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)|text=I know that it is pronounced "lee-ah", but I when I see this name, I keep thinging "læ" (æ is a letter which makes the sound ae, like in "Lie")... and pronounce it like you say lie :P

Damm my Icelandic brain :P}}

:I'd actually prefer that ("Lie") as opposed to the true pronunciation. [[User:JudgmentDay95]] 16:48 15 July 2009
{{EO|time=21:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)|happytext="Lie" would actually be cool for Axel. But even if they don't pronounce it this way, I'll always call him "Lee-ay" ^_^. But Lie is also cool, because it fits Axel's devious personality.}}
{{MM841|21:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)|I am sure it is pronounced Lay-a}}
:It should be "Lee-a" according to the katakana but if the English version changes it, it wouldn't be the first time (it should be "Veek-sen", not "Veck-sen").—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 21:19, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


lea is just axel without the x and scrambled up...(i felt like i had 2 say tht^^) [[User:Ninabean822]]
{{EO|time=08:46, September 28, 2009 (UTC)|text= Official English videos of the cutscenes reveal it to be pronounced "Lee", as seen here, in the first few moments of the video. Skip to 0:56. Here's the link : [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMNZtX6Fan8&feature=player_profilepage] }}
:Good job for them. I was wondering how they were gonna manage to make it sound masculine.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 16:45, September 28, 2009 (UTC)


{{Pokhmon|time=18:44, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=i think it is the same as marluxia= marloosha and xion=sheon lea=lee }}

== axel emo?? ==

well you know how some people class roxas or riku as emo (i h8 labeling btw, just stating a fact here) and they do all this fan
 art and stuff
but seriously , if people actually thought about it, axel haas been through more shit than roxas
yea roxas forgot everything; xion,axel,the organization ect..
but axel lost both xion and roxas only 
xion died i understand that hurt them both but roxas forgot and ansem , the selfish bastard desided to kill himself instead of helping roxas
he could have thrown that "thingy machine" over the edge and lived
but nooooo
but i suppose it was better for axel to die tbh
he needed it if you get what i mean
i rambled yes....but it needed to be said xx
{{Firaga44|text=axel emo?no offense to zexion fans but i always thought zexion would be the emo one of the orgazation i like him almost to a fangirl degree it would break my heart if axel became emo and i know i'm gonna get a lecture from a zexion fan from saying all that}}
{{ERJ|01:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)|By definition, "emo" just means that a person displays a narrow range of emotions.  Technically, most RPG characters are "emo."}}

{{Pokhmon|time=18:47, January 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=nobodies have no emotions they are all emo (even demyx) }}

If they don't have emotions they can't be emo.[[User:Redeemer &amp; Destroyer|Redeemer &amp; Destroyer]] 18:49, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

== RE:just saying ==

im pretty sure luxord is rikus robody but i havent finished kh2
{{Firaga44|text=huh that's impossible riku never turned into a heartless and besides it defies the rules but then again namine birth does defie the rules to but riku turned to the darkness and someone correct if i'm wrong but riku was heart was strong enough to not turn into a heartless meaning that unless there was the most confusing rule in the book that you don't have to turn into a heartless to have a nobody the only expection to the rule is kairi since she had no darkness in her heart(wow longest speech i've ever given)}}

Nah, your right Firaga. Riku never turned into a heartless. Also, Orgainization members names originate from their original names (with an "X" added in it somewhere). For instance: Vexen- Even Zexion- Lenzo Xemnas- Ansem, etc.--[[User:Xion4ever|Xion4ever]] 20:03, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
{{Firaga44|text=ok and never make me have to do a long speech like that again please two longs speechs for the day is pretty much all i can take and i love axel's japanese voice!i've gotten pretty much addicted to it and steff for zexion's orginal name i think you mean Ienzo for it that's all i wanted to say}}

== so tardy to this party. ==

I think Lea is a great name for Axel....or maybe I'm biased because my middle same is exactly the same

==Lea Page==
{{Template:ST|time=16:53, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Since we have pages on the founding members, Shouldn't we have a page for Lea since we now have his name? (i know we have more info on the founding members but...)}}

{{PrincessAndie|text= I don't think we should, The only thing we would have is: Axel's somebody. Mentioned by Saix on Day______.}}

{{NitrousX|text=I dunno... He '''is''' a character but... I just don't know.}}

{{Template:ST|time=17:49, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Nevermind, just made it. It could use some work, but I think its good for starters}}
:Why do we need a Lea page? All we know is his name and the fact that he knew Saix. The founding members are actually appearing and interacting with people; it makes sense for ''them'' to have pages, but Lea's would be like, two sentences long. Unless you just waste space by copying redundant information about ''Axel'', which I see you did.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 19:02, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'm glad you mentioned the other members interacting with others, cuz it gives me cause to point out that they had pages long before we knew they would be in BbS, and there pages looked very much like Lea's}}
{{Maggosh|text=*rousing applause for ST*}}
{{KrytenKoro|In reply to ST: I'm glad you mentioned that we had pages in that state - that was a terribly stupid thing for the wiki to have. If the article is written assuming that they are the same character (as they were and Lea is), then there's no reason to have a separate page. If we have the separate articles, they should cover only that form of the character.}}

{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=in that case, lets merge the Sora/Roxas pages and the Xehanort/Xemnas/Xehanort's Heartless pages while we're at it}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=We don't have to! They made their apperances!}}

{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=Note, he didnt mention anything about cameo appearances, just that Lea and Axel are the same guy}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Why do I have a feeling this is going to get way out of hand and one of us will get scold?}}

{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=probably because you're smart like that. its already gotten out of hand on the Lea talk page}}

{{GS|time=20:39, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'd just like to point out that the apprentice pages were only created after they were confirmed for the game, not long before.  Get your facts straight.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Sir GS, please don't get him angry.}}
{{Template:ST|time=18:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'm sorry, no offense or anything like that, but ''Sir'' GS? Seriously?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=What? I like calling him that.}}
{{NitrousX|text=I respect everyone's opinion, but I'm getting tired of a lot of the staff treating us editors like we've done something incredibly stupid. I think the Lea page is a good idea, since Nobodies and Somebodies are two seperate people. We have a page for Kairi's grandmother and she just told us a little story!}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Sir Nitrous...They're only trying to protect the wiki, that's all. I mean, they're a little scary and mean sometimes, but they're nice when they want to be. Don't be mad at them, okay?}}
{{Ghostboy3000|time='''<font face=Trebuchet MS color=indigo>—</font>[[User:Ghostboy3000|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=darkmagenta>Ghost</font>]][[User talk:Ghostboy3000|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=mediumvioletred>boy</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Ghostboy3000|<font face=Trebuchet MS color=deeppink>3000</font>]]</sup>''' 21:54, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text= I have to agree with NX! They can treat us better then this!}}

{{NitrousX|text=Thank you, GB! I know they just want to make the wiki better, but couldn't they be more courteous? It seems like we're running a system that says "Staff Members' Word is Law", even though a bunch of other users want a page but the staff says no.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=What do you mean better?}}
{{NitrousX|text=A lot of times they respond sarcastically and act like that was a stupid thing to do.}}
{{NinjaSheik|sad=...Um...They're not that bad...}}
{{NitrousX|text=I'm not saying all staff do this, but it'd be nice if edits weren't reverted so much and if they didn't act like your idea is completely dumb.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=They're just strict. You shouldn't take it so personally.}}
{{NitrousX|text=I usually don't. But now I'm sick of it. 9 times outta 10 the new change to a page is an edit revert. Plus, when a lot of users want a page but a few staff don't, it gets denied.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Well, yeah. Some of the stuff is pretty much useless. Let it go, okay?}}
{{NitrousX|text=I just don't want to be treated stupid! You haven't answered my last comment anyway. How come when a lot of users want a page, but a handful of Staff doesn't, it's denied?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Because they don't need it. Getting worke dup about this isn't good. Why question them? They've been longer than any of us.}}
{{NitrousX|text=I wasn't worked up until now. What makes them so much better than the majority of this wiki? More experience doesn't work because a lot of them have been around about as long as a lot of other users.}}
{{Ghostboy3000|time=22:26, October 31, 2009 (UTC)|text=That's very <big> <big> <big> <big> <big> VERY TRUE </big> </big> </big> </big> </big> (Ps: This was at Nx}}
{{NinjaSheik|sad=...}}
{{NitrousX|text=Exactly}}
{{NinjaSheik|sad=...What're you going to do about it?}}
{{NitrousX|text=The only thing I can do is stand up for what I believe in, no matter how many times my edits are reverted.}}
{{NinjaSheik|shocked=Stand up? What're you going to do, talk to Sir Kryten and the others about this?}}
{{NitrousX|text=Perhaps. I'll just keep trying until someone will listen is, that's the only thing I can do.}}
{{KrytenKoro|For your complaints about sysop behavior:
#I honestly don't care what rank anyone else is when I talk to them, and I don't care what my rank is either. If someone uses a bad argument, such as "Well you say it's a problem, but it exists on other pages," (Well maybe the other page should be fixed too!) I will say that it is a bad argument. If an edit adds false information or is badly formatted, I will revert it. GS can tell you I've reverted his edits as well - he just has a much better record of not making edits I fundamentally disagree with, so we don't get into disputes nearly at all. And GS has reverted my edits, because he had fundamental disagreements with my edit.
#As a corollary to (1), I can tell you know that there's only three editors on this wiki that I can't stand. Even then, I judge their edits on the edit's basis.
#The admins don't have their edits reverted as much ''because they've taken the time to read or discuss the style guidelines for the wiki''. In general, they also take the time to add well-written, factual information, as opposed to spraying speculation across a page.
#Page existence isn't determined by voting. They're determined by whether the arguments for the page are well-made, and the page can exist in accordance with the manual of style. I've had several of my own pages deleted because they wouldn't work (Dolphin, for example, ''which has actually appeared in the games'').

In summary: any notions anyone may have of some kind of organization or conspiracy among the admins should be dispelled. At least as far as I know, we're all out for ourselves.}}
{{KrytenKoro|''in that case, lets merge the Sora/Roxas pages and the Xehanort/Xemnas/Xehanort's Heartless pages while we're at it''

If you notice, what I said was '''if the article treats them as the same character'''. The Roxas article is written about the Roxas persona, not the total being. The Xemnas articles is written about the Xemnas persona, not the entire Xehanort being.

For your argument that we should have the page because Nobodies and Somebodies are separate:

Then we should have articles for the human form of every Heartless. We should have an article for the possible Heartless of the Beast, and articles for the possible somebodies for Marluxia, Larxene, Demyx, and Luxord.

Do you understand why that argument doesn't work? I can explain:

The reason why we shouldn't have a Lea page is because ''there is nothing to say''. We have a name, and maybe a sentence or two of allegations from Axel and Saix. We have no proof of anything Lea has done, we have no picture, we have no plot. We essentially have "Saix said he and Lea had a plan. They were good friends."}}
{{DTN|time=01:16, November 1, 2009 (UTC)|text=In addition, we don't create pages that are just speculation. Sure, Lea has been mentioned as Axel's original name, but he ''has not been confirmed for a later game appearance''. That is why only had ''redirects'' for Braig, Dilan, Even, and Ienzo until their appearances were confirmed for BbS. Now that we have the information we can pull from the TGS 2009 BbS Trailer about them, as well as pictures from the trailer, they are standard pages for an upcoming character, just as are Jaq, Experiment 221, and Magic Mirror are.

Now, compare that to Lea's content: no confirmation, no images. The information that has been released doesn't even amount to that of a character, more like a named figure. Here's all that we would have: "Lea is the somebody of Axel. He knew Saïx, and they had a plan." Two sentences are hardly enough to even make up a section-stub, let alone an entire article.}}
{{NinjaSheik|sad=I'm so sorry! Please, don't be mad, Sir Kryten!}}
{{KrytenKoro|NS, I'm trying to say this in the nicest possible way, but please don't do that. I'm not angry, I'm just trying to explain.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Are you sure? I mean...What Lord GB and Sir Nitrous said...}}
{{NitrousX|text=Thanks for listening, Kryten. I'm sorry I lost my temper, Lady Sheik, I hope this doesn't change our friendship. I just feel like sometimes I'm not listened to, and I'm sure a lot of other users can relate. Thank you.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=It's okay. I was just orried, that's all.}}
{{TNE|time=03:41, November 1, 2009 (UTC)|blahtext=On the question of admins apparently having more experience, let me make it clear that we're just like every single one of you. We understand what it is to edit in the best interests of the wiki, and I know a few others do that too. And that's why Staff decisions and decisions of frequent editors are often trusted. We're nobody's boss or nobody's subordinate, get it ? We might sound a bit snappy trying to get our points across but remember, it's not like we're trying to spoil the wiki or anything. We're all here for a common purpose - to edit KHW and to be friends, so let's leave it that way, for Pete's sake !

If I were ever to have a verdict on my part, we're not creating the Lea page. Full stop. End of story.}}

Good call.

{{TNE|time=03:55, November 1, 2009 (UTC)|sadtext=And as of now, I'm taking a hiatus from KHW. It might be a permanent one... unless you can PERSUADE me to come back.}}

{{NitrousX|text=Why are you leaving? If it's because of this... I just didn't agree with a decision. I don't want this to be my fault.}}

== Tear shaped Tatoos ==

I Was browsing wikipedia the other day and came across this interesting tidbit of info. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teardrop_tattoo] in short a teardrop tatto has meanings accociated with death, this may imply something about Lea's past, mabey he was an assassin, and thats why he turned into a heartless, or it could mean something less sinister--[[User:Foutlet|Foutlet]] 23:07, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
:...yes, he's an Assassin. He's the Organization's Assassin, and commands the Assassin ranks.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 23:12, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

The tattoos usually signify the loss of a friend or loved one. Interresting. Must mean Roxas and Xion, all right.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 23:15, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

i thought that too but if thats the case why did he have them before they both died?--[[User:Foutlet|Foutlet]] 02:33, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I dunno. I didn't read it all.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 03:00, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|text=Perhaps they signify the loss of his and Saix's hearts.}}

Point.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 03:16, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

you win the prize maggosh--[[User:Foutlet|Foutlet]] 04:14, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

{{Maggosh|text=Thank you, sir.}}

== Friendship turned Hostile  ==

{{Template:ST|time=04:21, December 26, 2009 (UTC)|text=Does anyone else notice how best friends can be the worst enemies, like Axel and Saïx}}

== "Are you ready?" ==

{{Mrsaxel|time=02:47, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=The latests cutscene (well, the introduction one, really) of Isa and Lea is finally subbed and put up on YouTube!

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CMZRgVRUow

When Isa says, "Are you ready?" What do you think it means? Do you think that Lea and Isa are going to be subjects in the experiments of Xehanort, or aid him? I usually have some sort of theory, but I'm pulling up a blank on this one. D:}}
{{LapisScarab|time=03:01, January 17, 2010 (UTC)|text=Probably not test subjects, since Isa and Lea got thrown out of the castle during the end credits. Good to know that this is subbed though.}}

== axel's age ==

i was just wondering how old is axel? i dunno know like 17 or somthing?[[User:Durrf9|Durrf9]] 20:47, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
{{No.i|time=01:20, February 25, 2010 (UTC)|text=no one can say for sure, but i think he's in his 20s or something, because lea is like 17 or 18.}} {{Durrf9|time=20:47, March 3, 2010 (UTC)|text=i now think he's 27}}

== The true abut Axel ==

I've been reading this and whatching a looot of questions people has xD, so first I'm going to say something abut Axel's Somebody:
# Axel's Somebody is a guy called "'''Lea'''" pronunced "Lee". He apears at "'''''Kingdom Hearts Birth by sleep'''''".
#Lea was friend whit Isa (('''Saix Somebody''')), you can confirm that by reading the '''''Secret Reports '''''of day 118 "''Talking to Roxas and Xion always brings me memories of my past life... I ought to be able to share all this whit Saix...''" ((I shortened all the text xD)).
#Axel-is-not-Riku's-or-Reno´s-Nobody! '''''Got it memorized?''''', Yeah, the similitudes are made on purpose for confuse the people and to make them go to the conclutions most of you reached.
#''"The name, L-E-A, '''<u>got it momorized?</u>'''''''" ''Is the real name of Axel, you just have to scramble the letters and add an "'''X'''" to "'''Lea'''" and SURPRICE! you get "'''''Axel'''''". If you didn´t noticed, to all of the nobodies you just have to '''scramble the letters of the real name or his somebody's name and ADD A DAMM X''' got it memorized?. And for those that have two "x", it means that acctually the real name already had an "x" on it.''
And for the end of this here I'll leave an image that proves the existence of Lea, Isa and their friendship:

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FnGAsLD80XQ/0.jpg

{{LapisScarab|time=21:09, March 23, 2010 (UTC)|inverse=Umm, thanks, but we know all of that. In fact, virtually all of that is located on the various articles on the wiki. Appreciate the desire to help though. By the way, please sign your comments with four tildes (four ~) at the end of your text. that way we can tell who's talking.}}