Editing Forum:Ascend to Administr8or Tier!!!!!!!!

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{{DTN|theme=vriska|time=03:09, 17 December 2011 (UTC)|text=<b>Greeeeeeeetings, ''Kingdom Hearts'' Wiki! As you surely have realized 8y now, our amount of active staff mem8ers has 8lunderfully decreased. We 8n't got a lot more administr8ors who are around enough to manage this place regularly at this point. It will not 8e good if we allow this to 8ecome even worse, or even terri8le! D::::

8ut, there is a solution. I discussed this with one of your human leaders, Kr8tenKoro, and we are in 8eautiful agreement. Yes, that's right!!!!!!!! The time has come to consider the possi8ility of staff el8ctions and nomin8ions! ::::)

As you can eeeeeeeeasily see on the staff mem8ers page, there are many inactive staff mem8ers. However, even worse is the fact that so many of the active administr8ors and moder8ors are hardly active at all!!!!!!!! Having the special rights of a staff mem8er is USELESS if the staff mem8er is not even active! 8ecause of this, it is very pro8a8ly time to 8uffer up and revamp the staff of the site.

The time to act is N8W!!!!!!!! The longer we wait, the more d8nger the s8te's l8dersh8p is in! We need new m8ture, act8ve leaders f8r the st8ff, w8th the p8wer of the G8D TIER! Not anyone like Tavros or his imagin8ry Rufio friend or those f8key f8ke f8ke f8ries!!!!!!!!

Pl8se l8ve your opinions 8elow on this import8nt matter!!!!!!!!

Pchoooooooo!!!!!!!!</b>}}
{{Uxie|time=03:43, 17 December 2011 (UTC)|text=Well, I'm not really asking to become a staff member, but I'm normally active everyday. However, whenever a meeting is on, I'm usally asleep, so that's one thing that I'm unable to do if I were to be a staff member. Another holdup is that I've got admin rights at another wiki. But if you guys want to nominate me, I'm okay with it.

The only good skills I've got for this wiki are for gathering infomation for KHII and BbS to help write down the walkthroughs. I also correct spelling errors on the pages for the said games.}}
{{Chitalian8|time=03:52, 17 December 2011 (UTC)|neku= Meh, I'd say maybe one more Admin is necessary, so move someone up to Admin status, then get two or three new mods. For mods, I'd recommend Inexistent or As if. I think that getting new mods is a more pressing issue, considering that we only have two fully active ones.
EDIT: It seems As if has gone "majorly inactive", so perhaps we should wait to nominate him.}}
{{EO|time=17:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)|annoyed=No, <big>No</big>, <big><big>No</big></big>, <big><big><big>No</big></big></big>, <big><big><big><big>NO!!!</big></big></big></big>

This whole process, whenever we do it, always leads to complete and utter chaos, not to mention unnecessary Wiki-drama. To me, this Wiki does not receive enough IP/newbie activity for a bunch of inactive staff to be a problem, so long as at least two are actually still contributing! This Wiki, in comparison to The Keyhole, is dead in general (very little day-by-day activity from '''all''' users, etc.). 

While I personally am against this whole thing, I would have to agree with Chitalian8. If anything, promote a user like The Inexistent or As if! to Moderator status. I would then promote one or two of the deserving users on our current list of Moderators to Administrator status so new Moderators can be added to the list. 

If anything, lack of trusted regulars is the problem here, not inactive staff who don't edit 24/7. What I feel the Wiki needs is a group of trusted regulars who can watch it as often as possible for the occasional vandal or other issue while making good contributions, and then notify staff if a problem arises so that it may be properly dealt with. Staff in general are only truly needed when you have a site like The Keyhole, where "powers" such as deletion and the like are constantly needed to deal with the issues there (Staffers, ask yourselves this: "When was the last time you had to block a vandal or delete anything other than images here?"). I rest my case.}}

{{17m|text2=It's sad but ENX has a point, this Wiki is almost dead (personally, I didn't show up very much because I knew there wasn't gonna be much activity in here) and Mods and Admins's jobs are to keep vandals in line, which is almost never occurred in here.

And if we still decided to go along with this, I'd recommend Chitalian and EnglishJoker for Mod position based on activity.}}
{{SilverCrono|time=03:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)|text=<code>[22:40:58] <SilverCrono> "olos hi i'm inactive. ummmm dont make more mods. potatoes. kthxbai ::::D"</code>

...so yeah. Make more mods if you feel the need to, although I don't. As has been said, we get little to no vandals here and apparently KH3D isn't bringing in any notable new users, so we don't really need shiny new management or weapons. 

'''''are you happy now chitalian'''''}}

I hate to say it, <small>like, hardcore hate... <small>a pain unrivaled by even stepping upon a Lego...</small></small> but I feel as if making me staff any time soon would be a not so good idea, if I were to win an election.  I haven't been active, and I probably won't be too present here again until... sometime.  <small>Wow, I fail at being specific.</small>

ANYWAY.{{-}}
If there is to be a new moderator, I would say As If! or Chitalian, unless Chitalian has removed himself from the opportunity.  {{The Inexistentsig}} 04:15, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

{{neumannz|time=05:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)|angry=<big><big>'''GRAAAAUUUUGHNCK'''</big></big>

OK, time for me to have an opinion.

It is important for us to have a functional staff. This continues to be true even during a slow time.

<big><big>'''HOWEVER.'''</big></big> It seems to me that even if we do promote our editors, we have one or two underlying problems that need to be addressed. Biggest of which is how we currently treat the role of staff. While mods and admins certainly have a responsibility to handle vandals and newbies, <span style="color:red">'''''THIS SHOULD NOT BE THEIR PRIMARY ROLE.'''''</span> what their PRIMARY role should be is to oversee and encourage editing. And until we recognize that this is an under-served aspect of being a member of staff, and that this needs to change, we will continue to have this cycle of promoting people only to watch them slowly become another inactive staff member.

So what now, then. We can promote some of our reliable and consistent (and hopefully regular) editors to staff. But at that point we need to turn our focus on redefining our role as staff members, and if we can, give a much-needed boost to our activity. We cannot rely on the upcoming KH3D release being enough to do that. It should be our responsibility to keep things moving.

Obviously I am aware that we all have real lives, and the most responsible of us have other responsibilities that will interfere with their activity here. As staff, though, there's no reason why we can't cover for each other. The fact is, we have articles that need work, projects that need people, <span style="color:red">AND AS LONG AS WE STILL HAVE REGULAR EDITORS, THERE'S NO REASON WHY THESE CAN'T RECEIVE THE ATTENTION THEY NEED.</span> Staff needs to mobilize the common editors, because despite Doorsey's wonderful Homestuck reference, we staff are not gods by any definition/stretch of the imagination.

So let's promote someone we can REALLY use on staff, and then let's start some home improvement.}}

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{{SSC|time=4 hours 13 minutes from 05:54, 19 December 2011 (UTC)|talktext=<b>DEAR GOG, TO BE TOTALLY HONEST, I THINK WE ''DON'T'' NEED NEW ADMINS. REALLY, AS CRONO POINTED OUT AGES AGO, KH3D HASN'T EXACTLY DRAWN NEW USERS IN (THOUGH I'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO SEE WITH KARTABS AGES FROM NOW, HE'LL TELL ME WHAT'S UP) AND HARDLY ANY VANDALS POPPED UP AS ACCORDING TO HIM.

... ANYWAYS, IF WE WERE TO GET SOMEONE (OR A SELECT FEW) TO BE (A) NEW MODERATOR(S)/ADMINISTRATOR(S) FOR THIS HUMAN ENCYCLOPEDIA FOR THE HUMAN EQUIVALENT OF THE VIDEO GAME SERIES ''TROLLDOM SPADES'', I WOULD SAY CHOOSE THAT AS IF! HUMAN AND/OR THE CHITALIAN GUY.</b>}}
{{DTN|theme=vriska|time=06:20, 19 Decem8er 2011 (UTC)|text=<b>WH8T???????? Well, I see you have RET8RNED, Redglare. Nice to see that you are finally t8king this 8ig ordeal seriously! You brought your silly dr8gon c8ne and everything!!!!!!!! 8ut of course, how can we 8e sure that you are telling us 8y the 8ook--THE TRUTH???????? This could be J8ST L8KE WHEN you tried to 8l8me me for the m8rder of all of our troll fr8nds!

I 8el8ve the first and foremost import8nt role of an administr8tor should 8e to c8rry out missions of justice to S8VE 8V8RYONE! No matter how 8ig and powerful the opponent m8y 8e, the victor shall 8e mys--------er, the admininstr8tor! That's why I, the See--I mean, future administr8tors and moder8tors, are necessary to defeat <s>JACK NOIR</s> their opponents of justice!!!!!!!! ::::)

For this 8eautiful reason, I think we do need more st8ff m8m8ers!!!!!!!! As this human Neum8nnz fellow pointed out, they should 8e a tro--I mean user, who is active and encourages more editing. More editing can only lead to more growth, and th8n a 8ETT8R W8K8!!!!!!!!</b>}}

...okay guys, reading your HS reference shit makes me feel like a toddler with fetal alcohol syndrome getting kicked in the balls with combat boots. I don't even really get what just happened in the last three replies... It's like only one paragraph out of five actually said anything relevant. --{{SilverCrono/Sig}} 07:45, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

...stepped on a Lego? --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 21:13, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

{{Asif|sho=I agree with Crono's above statement. I also believe that we don't need any more staff than we currently have, for every reason Neumannz mentioned.}}

{{Maggosh|flint=What the ''f*ck'' is Homestuck?}}

{{ErryTalk|time=22:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC)|bayonetta=Staff is fine as it is. I now hate 8's, 3's and 4's with a passion.}}
{{HexedTalk|text=WH4T 1S TH1S TH1NG YOU HUM4NS C4LL L3GOS OR HOM3STUCK??? HUM4N CULTUR3 SUR3 1S W31RD!!! 1N TROLL CULTUR3, W3 H4V3 L3GRUBS, M4D3 FROM GRUBS WHO DID NOT M4TUR3 4ND 4R3 US3D BY YOUNG TROLLS TO M4K3 MOD3L H1V3S!!! W3 4LSO DO NOT H4V3 TH1S S1LLY HUM4N COM1C CALLED HOM3STUCK, W3 H4V3 4 MUCH B3TT3R COM1C C4LLED H1V3B3NT M4D3 BY TROLL 4NDR3W HUSS13. HOWEV3R, TH1S HOM3STUCK COM1C DO3S CONT41N D4V3 STR1DER, SUCH 4 HUM4N COOLK1D. FR4NKLY, YOUR D1SR3G4RD FOR OUR CULTUR3 S33MS 4LMOST CR1MIN4L! I C4N T4ST3 TH4T GU1LT UPON YOU 4ND 4S 4 L3G1SL4C3R4TOR 1T 1S MY DUTY TO BR1NG YOU TO JUST1C3!!! >:D}}
HHHHHHAAARRRRRGGGGG AIDKEWMJDFOILK GOD DAMN IT HEXED YOUR NOT EVEN CONTRIBUTING TO ANYTHING AT ALL. --{{SilverCrono/Sig}} 04:12, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

{{17m|text2=For the love of God stop with the h0m3stuck sp33k or whatever language you people are using.}}
{{DTN|theme=vriska|text=<b>SIL8NCE SILLY HUM8N WRIGGLER COMPL8N8RS!!!!!!!! As much as 8eing forced to agree w8th Redglare is a8horrent to me, I must agree that hum8n culture sure is weird! Wh8t are these toddlers you speak of? Are they 8kin to, s8y, a 8a8y wriggler troll? WR8GLLERS 8RE SO CUTE AS L8TTLE GRU8S!!!!!!!! And then wh8t a8out this 8lcohol thing you speak of? It sounds like a dis8se, like the c8ncer! Wh8re is our "8rave and fearl8ss" leader 8t???????? He knows all a8out the hum8n c8ncer!

I assume 8y "8alls" you are speaking of the silly hum8n reproduct8n cycle p8wers! I will not descri8e the reproduct8n of our race. It involves rather r8cy details, I didn't even expl8n it to that silly John hum8n!!!!!!!! Also, does the 8rry hum8n have flushed f8llings for the kismesitude of num8ers???????? Hum8n rel8tionships sure are weird!!!!!!!!

Also why is it that our troll speaking styles offend you? I mean, it's 8asically just the w8y we talk! Yeah sure we can turn it off if we really wanted to........ see, look!!! I'm beautiful and by the way using boisterous words with b's in them!!!!! And less than eight exclamations!!! 8ut that just feels weird!!!!!!!! It would 8e l8ke asking you hum8ns to speak in a differ8nt one of your speaking communic8tion fonts! You sure have a lot of those... silly wriggler hum8ns!!!!!!!!</b>}}
{{SSC|time=10 hours and 25 minutes before 05:26, 20 December 2011 (UTC)|text='''OKAY LET'S CUT WITH THE HOMESTUCK CRAP, HEXED AND DOOR, I THINK IT'S SERIOUSLY TICKING PEOPLE OFF. HERE I'LL START US OFF.'''

New staffers, meh. Don't think we need them because, again, whatever Crono said. I'm ok with it though.}}
{{Chitalian8|time=22:54, 20 December 2011 (UTC)|neku= So with the merger stuff happening, we'll be getting around double the staff members if it we do indeed merge. Should we still elect new staffers for here? Or should we just wait until whether the merge is a go or not?}}

{{Keyblade0|time=23:14, 20 December 2011 (UTC)|text= ASDSFKJNDAKLKLASJDLJAS:DAKFDKASJDLASKHD THIS HOMESTUCK LANGUARE IS TOO CONFUSING. PLEASE STOP USING IT. TH4NK Y0U. (Oh gosh, not me ._. ...)

Okay, time to give in mah penny. I think it'll be great to elect 2 adminds and 1 mod.

There.}}

{{Asif|sho=Chitalian's point also raises a good question: how should we deal with the merging of the wikis' staff?}}
{{Chitalian8|time=01:20, 21 December 2011 (UTC)|nekutalk= During the discussion yesterday, the two proposed courses of action for choosing the staff were either picking a new one from scratch, or merging the two. People seem to be leaning towards the latter option, since nobody wants anybody to lose a staff position. However, it was also noted that merging the two staffs would cause a slight overabundance of staffers. I assume we'll choose the course of action at the Roundtable.}}
{{Asif|shonormal=Okay, if we just merged the staff from each wiki, we would have sixteen staff members. If everyone was okay with that number (I, for one, think it is too large a number), we could just merge the staff as-is. However, if not, we could instead decide on an individual number of administrators and bureaucrats, then vote as to who out of the active ones we currently have should take the positions. We would also need to decide, should all three bureaucrats be reelected, whether we want three bureaucrats and if not which ones to keep. I know that my idea does not please everyone, but in this situation I'm not sure there is a way for that to happen.}}
:<s>Just a heads-up, there's actually 5 'crats between the two wikis.</s> Scratch that, didn't realize you were talking about the 3 'crats over at The Keyhole. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 03:41, 21 December 2011 (UTC)