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May I ask that you cite the source (an Ultimania guide interview, etc) where Nomura allegedly claimed that the sharing of the Paopu Fruit has no romantic connotations attached to it. This has been brought up before and has been debunked as a rumor.  The Japanese VAs of both Riku and Kairi in the KHII Ultimania Guide state that the scene was supposed to be romantic and according to their account, Nomura had created an alternate scene without the Paopu sharing because he didn't know to what extent he was ready to display Sora and Kairi's feelings. https://phoenix-downer.tumblr.com/post/183166367788/kingdom-hearts-3-ultimania-interview-with-the
May I ask that you cite the source (an Ultimania guide interview, etc) where Nomura allegedly claimed that the sharing of the Paopu Fruit has no romantic connotations attached to it. This has been brought up before and has been debunked as a baseless rumor.  The Japanese VAs of both Riku and Kairi in the KHIII Ultimania Guide state that the scene was supposed to be romantic and according to their account, Nomura had even created an alternate scene without the Paopu sharing at the time of recording because he wasn't sure to what extent he was ready to display Sora and Kairi's feelings for one another before he settled on the Paopu scene. Here is a translation: https://phoenix-downer.tumblr.com/post/183166367788/kingdom-hearts-3-ultimania-interview-with-the
 
== Hi ==
 
Hello
 
Thank you very much for your reply. I have read the translation and have the following to say:
 
It hints at a crush, but still not truly romantic feelings. I am also aware that there are two sharing scenes because Nomura wasn’t sure how to convey the feelings between them properly.
 
Miyano was also not involved in this scene and the translation gives more of a “teasing” vibe. "ohh I'm sure they were unaware but there's no wayyyyyy that heart-pounding scene wasn't romantic (lol)" is an alternate translation
 
The interview you linked is also pre KH3 and is the introduction to the Sora and Kairi VA stuff *we* use that *prompts* them to say that.
 
Besides I also wanted to point out that sharing a paopu fruit does not have to be with romantic intent. This is further proven by Kairi’s line “so we can stay connected, no matter what happens” and rather shows that she is scared of her friends, both Sora and Riku, drifting apart from her.
 
To the interview you have given me, the OP May know japanese but not how conversations work. And if you read through it, it has more personal comments and opinions and is not a 100% creditable source. I will be adding more to this but let me come back to you with some proper sources.
 
I also remind you again that according to the MOS, relationships aren’t part of someone’s personality.
 
 
[[User:Vanitus|Vanitus]] ([[User talk:Vanitus|talk]]) 17:22, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 
== May I also point out ==
 
That in the same interview the OP did not understand Miyano’s last response. It is an open question added with a tease and was also completely ignoring Kairi’s VA saying that it was “a heavy scene”. He wasn't explaining why it was romantic, he was saying "gee how could a scene that gets your heart going like this NOT be romantic even if the characters don't realize it?" By the way, here’s another translation of the same interview you’ve given me https://www.kh13.com/news/kingdom-hearts-iii-round-table-interview-with-miyu-irino%C2%A0miyano-mamoru-and%C2%A0risa-uchida-the-japanese-voice-actors-of-sora-riku-and-kairi-discussing-their-journey-over-the-past-17-years-and-how-the-series-have-shaped-their-lives-r2970/
[[User:Vanitus|Vanitus]] ([[User talk:Vanitus|talk]]) 17:25, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 
== Thanks for the reply ==
 
I appreciate that you took the time provide adequate sources for your rebuttal.  Very well, I'll relent on this issue.
 
== Why thank you  ==
 
I was very glad that we could talk like this! I hate getting into fights so I’m glad we could solve this politely! [[User:Vanitus|Vanitus]] ([[User talk:Vanitus|talk]]) 22:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

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May I ask that you cite the source (an Ultimania guide interview, etc) where Nomura allegedly claimed that the sharing of the Paopu Fruit has no romantic connotations attached to it. This has been brought up before and has been debunked as a baseless rumor. The Japanese VAs of both Riku and Kairi in the KHIII Ultimania Guide state that the scene was supposed to be romantic and according to their account, Nomura had even created an alternate scene without the Paopu sharing at the time of recording because he wasn't sure to what extent he was ready to display Sora and Kairi's feelings for one another before he settled on the Paopu scene. Here is a translation: https://phoenix-downer.tumblr.com/post/183166367788/kingdom-hearts-3-ultimania-interview-with-the

Hi[edit]

Hello

Thank you very much for your reply. I have read the translation and have the following to say:

It hints at a crush, but still not truly romantic feelings. I am also aware that there are two sharing scenes because Nomura wasn’t sure how to convey the feelings between them properly.

Miyano was also not involved in this scene and the translation gives more of a “teasing” vibe. "ohh I'm sure they were unaware but there's no wayyyyyy that heart-pounding scene wasn't romantic (lol)" is an alternate translation

The interview you linked is also pre KH3 and is the introduction to the Sora and Kairi VA stuff *we* use that *prompts* them to say that.

Besides I also wanted to point out that sharing a paopu fruit does not have to be with romantic intent. This is further proven by Kairi’s line “so we can stay connected, no matter what happens” and rather shows that she is scared of her friends, both Sora and Riku, drifting apart from her.

To the interview you have given me, the OP May know japanese but not how conversations work. And if you read through it, it has more personal comments and opinions and is not a 100% creditable source. I will be adding more to this but let me come back to you with some proper sources.

I also remind you again that according to the MOS, relationships aren’t part of someone’s personality.


Vanitus (talk) 17:22, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

May I also point out[edit]

That in the same interview the OP did not understand Miyano’s last response. It is an open question added with a tease and was also completely ignoring Kairi’s VA saying that it was “a heavy scene”. He wasn't explaining why it was romantic, he was saying "gee how could a scene that gets your heart going like this NOT be romantic even if the characters don't realize it?" By the way, here’s another translation of the same interview you’ve given me https://www.kh13.com/news/kingdom-hearts-iii-round-table-interview-with-miyu-irino%C2%A0miyano-mamoru-and%C2%A0risa-uchida-the-japanese-voice-actors-of-sora-riku-and-kairi-discussing-their-journey-over-the-past-17-years-and-how-the-series-have-shaped-their-lives-r2970/ Vanitus (talk) 17:25, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply[edit]

I appreciate that you took the time provide adequate sources for your rebuttal. Very well, I'll relent on this issue.

Why thank you[edit]

I was very glad that we could talk like this! I hate getting into fights so I’m glad we could solve this politely! Vanitus (talk) 22:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)