Talk:Infernal Engine

Speedrun Info?

Foremost, I want to apologize for my edit warring behavior in the past few days. I should have taken dispute to the talk page sooner, rather than quarrel via edit summaries. To provide context: a few days ago, an anonymous user made an edit to this article, citing the speedrun notes from an well-known Kingdom Hearts speedrunner named Drazerk. Here is the link he provided: http://pastebin.com/H8axKHBE However, I was unsure as to whether speedrun info was pertinent to this article's strategy section. The document the anonymous user cited contains very specific instructions, and require the player to be a certain level, to equip a certain Gear, and to have already played through the game a very specific way. Would a more general strategy (such as the current one) or a more technical one be more appropriate? Also, if speedrun info is indeed pertinent, should other articles on 358/2 Days bosses be edited to contain such specific info? DAnonymous318 (talk) 02:20, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

The ideal strategy should be whatever is cheapest, in terms of time, grinding, and in-game finances such as HP, items, or missables. If a certain strategy, even on a speedrun, requires you to have played the rest of the game a certain way, then the "time" it takes includes the rest of the game. If a certain strategy keeps you from taking damage, but requires playing the battle very tediously for an hour when accepting a few hits could have it over in minutes, it's really not worth it. It could certainly be mentioned, especially if it is efficient during the battle (lord knows that Days is pretty terrible for turning every boss into "just keep dodging and hitting it"), but it shouldn't replace a strategy that a normal player could apply without intense prior preparation. Conversely, if the boss battle can be easily won by spending just a few Ethers to immediately reuse Donald's Duck Flare, or hunting down four Balloon-type commands to create a deck in KH3D, those should be mentioned even though they require a small portion of grinding/spending. The ideal strategy should balance these many "costs" to achieve a strategy that is reliable, generic, and not boring for the user. (Ex: strategies that require you to exploit the Lingering Will's retaliation value by stringing a long series of combos may be successful and result in no damage, but require high levels of skill and can become tedious. Throwing several Duck Flare at him, on the other hand, is easy for the normal player and allows you to actually have some freedom in how you fight, as long as you keep Donald alive.)

However, I'm having trouble seeing what exactly you two are arguing about, or at least, the diffs don't paint a clear picture for me. Could you elaborate on what these specific instructions are, and why they are not applicable to a normal player?"We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 14:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

I edited because he edited out information on the assumption that RNG manipulation was impossible and that there was varies incorrect data such as when the boss uses the ram attack. The AI manipulation is specific to the fight and isn't effected by what you do previously to that fight. If this needs to be verified by a credible source one of us can message Grampaglasses who TAS'd the game and understands the manipulation or Drazerk whose notes I referenced. However I've done it myself during my last playthrough as it was easier to do the speedrun strategy which are consistent than deal with the hammer / barrels over and over and this was without the Phantom gear and being a much higher level. Given a speedrun is the most basic playthrough which skips the most content pretty much all of the strategies can be translated to a casual playthrough and turns day's bosses from dodging and attacking like you said to fairly quick and easy bosses. - Elussions