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How do you merge an article anyway? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 06:33, January 16, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
How do you merge an article anyway? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 06:33, January 16, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
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== Question about the quote ==
== Question about the quote ==


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== Character ==
== Character ==


He is a character in KHI like Xehanort's Heartless. I mean we all know that Lingering Sentiment is Terra but with his soul but they are still diffrent. Sora's Heartless had Sora's Heart but covered with darkness. Its the same logic with Lingering Sentiment and Sora's Heartless. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:02, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
He is a character in KHI like Xehanort's Heartless. I mean we all know that Lingering Sentiment is Terra but with his soul but they are still diffrent. Sora's Heartless had Sora's Heart but covered with darkness. Its the same logic with Lingering Sentiment and Sora's Heartless. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:02, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11


Beside at that time in KHI when Sora created and become Sora's Heartless he was falling into darkness and Sora's Heartless took control until Kairi bring Sora back. Sora even commented to Kairi that when he falls into darkness he lost feeling, forget everything and etc. So this proves Sora's Heartless took control when Sora falls into darkness. So this proves that Sora's Heartless is a real character. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:02, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
Beside at that time in KHI when Sora created and become Sora's Heartless he was falling into darkness and Sora's Heartless took control until Kairi bring Sora back. Sora even commented to Kairi that when he falls into darkness he lost feeling, forget everything and etc. So this proves Sora's Heartless took control when Sora falls into darkness. So this proves that Sora's Heartless is a real character. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:02, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
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All I'm saying is that Sora and Sora's Heartless are diffrent character to each other simple as that. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:01, February 10, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
All I'm saying is that Sora and Sora's Heartless are diffrent character to each other simple as that. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:01, February 10, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11


<blockquote>Axel: There was a time he became a Heartless. And if one becomes a Heartless---  
<blockquote>
Larxene: They lose their minds and their feelings... They're consumed by the darkness. </blockquote>
Axel: There was a time he became a Heartless. And if one becomes a Heartless---
 
Larxene: They lose their minds and their feelings... They're consumed by the
darkness.
 
Axel: Right. But not Sora. He held on to his feelings, even as a Heartless.
And there's only one other man who's been able to do just that.
</blockquote>
 
Okay, Axel doesn't say the human form bit.
 
*Secret Ansem Report: Sora and Xehanort retained their selfhood even after becoming Heartless.
*Secret Ansem Report: Likewise, Roxas is Sora's Nobody, but was left behind because Sora's Heartless regained human form using Kairi's heart instead of his own.
 
However, it does seem clear that Sora neither regained his body, or Kairi's body - some weird light thing happened, and while he has human form, he is still in essence a being of the heart only. I would say that "pseudo-Heartless" would describe that pretty well. However, there probably is some source somewhere that explains what exactly Nomura calls this thing, so if someone finds that, we need to rewrite the page again.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:35, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
Look in coded it is revealed that he's a character even in KHI so please its a character not a form. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 06:16, February 10, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
::It is a ''Heartless form of Sora''.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:51, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 
Look how about makeing it he's a character in KHI and coded. But a form for Sora throughout KHI to KHII. I mean the real Sora's Heartless appeared in KHI and coded. But Sora at that time is a pseudo Heartless from KHI to KHII. So lets mention he's a character and a form for Sora at the same time. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 23:49, February 10, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
::I have absolutely no idea what you just said.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:12, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
I'm saying don't change "'''Sora's Heartless''' is the Heartless of Sora" --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 06:37, February 11, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
 
:We have to, circular definitions are not allowed. It doesn't explain anything. It's just like saying ''"A brain surgeon is a surgeon of the brain"'' - unless people do know, for example, what a surgeon is, and what a brain is, it's not going to explain anything. Similar case with this. We have to restructure the first sentence. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 07:33, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
Why the heck Xehanort's Heartless is an exception? Also its not just a frickin form its also a character and form. Sora's Heartless appear in KHI as a Shadow as a character and coded as a main antagonist. And your so called form appeared in KHI when Kairi bring Sora back to KHII. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 21:25, February 11, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
 
'''Sora's Heartless''' is the Heartless of Sora. This sentence isn't wrong it shows that Sora's Heartless's orginal form is Sora. I mean in Xehanort's Heartless, Xemnas to Saix. Roxas, and Naimine had "Name is the "creature" of Orginal being. Theres nothing wrong with it. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 21:42, February 11, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:On the contrary, Cococrash. "Sora's Heartless is the Heartless of Sora" is very wrong and redundant. Common knowledge will show you that with the two words "Sora" and "Heartless", you can safely assume that the article is about Sora's Heartless.
 
Also, about the whole "Name is the "creature" of Original being" is correct. Your talking about two different people, not forms. Plus that sentence isn't redundant. From the point of a reader/new user reading an article, a sentence saying "Roxas is the Nobody of Sora." explains alot (even if they haven't played the series). The sentence "Sora's Heartless is the Heartless of Sora." On the other hand does explain that the article of Sora's Heartless, but is very redundant and pointless. The user could figure what the article was about just by using the words "Sora's Heartless."--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 22:32, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
Does that applies to Xehanort's Heartless too? Also then why do you decided to change "Xehanort's Heartless is the Heartless of Xehanort"? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 22:56, February 11, 2010 (UTC) Cococrash11
 
I don't understand; I've read [[Xehanort's Heartless|his]] article and have yet to find the sentence "Xehanort's Heartless is the Heartless of Xehanort."--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 23:01, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
:@Xion:That's because it was recently changed.--'''''[[User:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Random!</span>]][[User talk:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkblue;">to a point!</span>]]''''' 23:04, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
Yes, it has been changed, and it should stay that way. Anything with circular definitions for opening sentences needs to be changed. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 00:49, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Character and Form ==
 
Look Sora's Heartless is a character in KHI because he appeared as a Shadow Heartless and he's not just a form he's also a character. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 01:04, February 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
 
Then what makes Lingering Sentiment so special? He's a character but not Sora's Heartless? I mean he's a discarded Armor. Also he can be a Pesuo Heartless form in KHI to KHII? He can be a form and a character at the same time. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 01:13, February 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
 
:The whole point about not making a character page is that there is too little to write about him as a character. If we do create the page, it'll only mean speculation. We know that in essence, it's Terra, so it should go on the Terra page for now. When we get more details with the English release, we'll see about it. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 01:32, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
Did you even read about Sora's Heartless as a form and a character? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 01:54, February 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:No, you made it too damn hard to decipher.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 02:09, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
Come on its not even that hard look at this Beside at that time in KHI when Sora created and become Sora's Heartless he was falling into darkness and Sora's Heartless took control until Kairi bring Sora back. Sora even commented to Kairi that when he falls into darkness he lost feeling, forget everything and etc. So this proves Sora's Heartless took control when Sora falls into darkness. So Sora's Heartless is a real character. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 02:18, February 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
 
That doesn't mean Sora was 100% gone. He obviously wasn't swallowed completely by his following comment "You saved me...'''the darkness almost swallowed me'''...but then I heard a voice- your voice, you brought me back. Sora's Heartless is not a character but a branch off of Sora.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 02:49, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
What about Xehanort's Heartless? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 03:09, February 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:Xehanort's Heartless has been swallowed, as you can see from the appearance, the Heartless symbol and the amber eyes. Yet, he maintained his willpower. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 03:17, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
So has Sora's Heartless he kept his feeling and will power. Beside what about Data Sora's Heartless he's a data version and the real version appeared in KHI as a Shadow Heartless. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 04:51, February 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:Data Sora's Heartless is Sora's Heartless reproduced. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 05:11, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
He is a character in KHI like Xehanort's Heartless. I mean we all know that Lingering Sentiment is Terra but with his soul but they are still diffrent. Sora's Heartless had Sora's Heart but covered with darkness. Its the same logic with Lingering Sentiment and Sora's Heartless. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:36, February 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
 
I agree with Coccrash on this one. If Sora's Heartless is such a major character in ''coded'', then I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be counted as a character (albeit a minor one) in KHI.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 06:19, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
::Except that the game makes it explicitly clear that Sora's Heartless ''is the Shadow you are playing as'', and is ''continuous'' with the Sora you play in later games. There is no magical switcheroo, excluding the fact that Roxas was spirited away - Sora becomes a Shadow, the Shadow tracks down Kairi, Kairi gives the shadow back its original appearance. Xehanort's Heartless is, as far as we know, different, in that there is no clear continuity shown between Xehanort and Xehanort's Heartless, though it ''is'' possible that it has the same continuity (However, that's speculation). What we ''do explicitly know'' is that there is clearly shown continuity for Sora's Heartless, and that it is '''not''' a "minor character", it IS THE PLAYER CHARACTER.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 11:58, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
:I agree with Kryten. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 12:15, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
You get to play as a Shadow Heartless it shows that you are playing as a diffrent character like Lingering Sentiment. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 23:20, February 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
::But the thing is that you are shown transforming back into Sora, with nothing added but light, and the canon seems to support this. And at a technical level, a Heartless ''is'' a form of its original being.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:20, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
 
No when Sora's Heartless was filled with light he dissapeared and Sora returned. He's a character in coded why isn't he a character in KH1? Beside he's just like Roxas he was complete when Kairi give him light and he become whole to become Sora and Sora's Heartless just dissapeared. Also @Xion4ever Sora was about 50% gone Sora is falling to the darkness and Sora's Heartless control for a time. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 02:13, February 13, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:'''No, no, a thousand times no.''' Just because you play as the Shadow doesn't make Shadow Heartless Sora a different character altogether. He's Sora ''almost'' falling into dark tendencies, just as you and Xion say. 50% gone does not mean totally gone. Think : would you have said the same thing if you were playing the Shadow Sora of KH1 ? <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 02:16, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
 
Yes, yes, and a thousand time yes I would think like that. What about in Terra's story when suddenly you play Lingering Sentiment instead of Terra? Its the same concept with Sora's Heartless and LS --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 03:39, February 13, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
 
You know what I will still debate that he's a minor character not a form in KHI. But what if Nomura said Sora's Heartless is a minor character in KHI what would you said? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 03:39, February 13, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:I would still say he is a branch of Sora. So he's Sora's Heartless. But be careful what you think : did Nomura ever explicitly state that Sora's Heartless is a minor character ? <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 04:05, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
 
First, lets be careful about our responses. We can express our opinions without bashing others. (just saying before something bad results).
 
About the whole 50% was Sora, 50% was Sora's Heartless. Thats a pitiful defense. Sora still had control over himself (evidenced in quote I listed earlier), but had taken on a new form. He was still Sora, just in the form of a Heartless.
Nomura has not declared Sora's Heartless a separate character. If you believe he has, then we need acurate, trustworthy proof! Also I love how after finding defeat in one standpoint you decide to create a new problem. -_-
Nomura has not declared Sora's Heartless a separate character. If you believe he has, then we need acurate, trustworthy proof! Also I love how after finding defeat in one standpoint you decide to create a new problem. -_-
Anyways, Sora's Heartless is just a branch of Sora. I won't waste time saying all these reasons to a headstrong user. But seriously, look at the facts.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 04:19, February 13, 2010 (UTC)�
Anyways, Sora's Heartless is just a branch of Sora. I won't waste time saying all these reasons to a headstrong user. But seriously, look at the facts.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 04:19, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


I said a frickin if!! Even if its a branch you can still call it a character just look at the nobdies Doesn't Xehanort's Heartless count as a branch of Xehanort. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:44, February 13, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
I said a frickin if!! Even if its a branch you can still call it a character just look at the nobdies Doesn't Xehanort's Heartless count as a branch of Xehanort. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:44, February 13, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
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In my opinion...this whole thing is getting dangerously close to edit-war territory. And frankly, after getting a good night's sleep and re-reading through all the comments, I frankly still don't understand all of the arguments. Cococrash, I think you're making too much of the whole transformation issue, and you seem to think all of the characters have to follow the same rules, storywise. Sora has proven time and again to be one of the characters who has proven to be an exception to many rules, particularly because of his status as a main character. I would consider his Heartless state as a form, since Sora has many states of existance. I also have to ask at this point, do we have any official translations of ''coded'' to rely on the term "character" versus "form?"
In my opinion...this whole thing is getting dangerously close to edit-war territory. And frankly, after getting a good night's sleep and re-reading through all the comments, I frankly still don't understand all of the arguments. Cococrash, I think you're making too much of the whole transformation issue, and you seem to think all of the characters have to follow the same rules, storywise. Sora has proven time and again to be one of the characters who has proven to be an exception to many rules, particularly because of his status as a main character. I would consider his Heartless state as a form, since Sora has many states of existance. I also have to ask at this point, do we have any official translations of ''coded'' to rely on the term "character" versus "form?"


I will be keeping a watch on this page and the article and there had better be some resolution to this ''very'' soon. Because if not, there will be pages locked and warnings handed out. {{User:BebopKate/Sig}} 18:49, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
I will be keeping a watch on this page and the article and there had better be some resolution to this ''very'' soon. Because if not, there will be pages locked and warnings handed out. {{User:BebopKate/Sig}} 18:49, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


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BOM BOM BBBOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!! Sorry, I really couldn't resist that one ^_^ 18:01, February 14, 2010 (UTC) [[User:ZexionTheGamer|Zexion]][[User Talk:ZexionTheGamer|The]][[User:ZexionTheGamer|Gamer]]
:Count on me for drumbeats, Zexion. Or explosions.� :P
:Count on me for drumbeats, Zexion. Or explosions. :P


:Meanwhile, thanks, guys, now that this issue is settled. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 01:45, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
:Meanwhile, thanks, guys, now that this issue is settled. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 01:45, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
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{{Saiyoku|time=06:09, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|riku=When you say Shadow Form, do you mean AntiForm? Or are we actually talking about a different subject?}}
{{Saiyoku|time=06:09, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|riku=When you say Shadow Form, do you mean AntiForm? Or are we actually talking about a different subject?}}
{{LapisScarab|time=06:12, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=We had a page titled "Shadow Form" for when Sora actually transformed into a Shadow and you could briefly control him. It was seperate from AntiForm.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=06:12, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=We had a page titled "Shadow Form" for when Sora actually transformed into a Shadow and you could briefly control him. It was seperate from AntiForm.}}


AAll right, let me gather everything to end this pointless circling debate once and for all. I believe, athat having considered this extensively, I can possibly shed new light on the subject. (The only time I ever played KH was a demo in 2004 in EPCOT. Thus, speculation and clarity is about all that I can provide.)
AAll right, let me gather everything to end this pointless circling debate once and for all. I believe, athat having considered this extensively, I can possibly shed new light on the subject. (The only time I ever played KH was a demo in 2004 in EPCOT. Thus, speculation and clarity is about all that I can provide.)
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It isn't a question of Forms or Characters, it more a case of alternate personalities. [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 02:40, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
It isn't a question of Forms or Characters, it more a case of alternate personalities. [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 02:40, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
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:Having said thus, Sora's Heartless should be left as it is. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 02:42, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
Exactly. But for everyone who argues, just consider this: What about reading an article about Multiple Personality syndrome, and applying it to Sora's situation (taking magic into account.) [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 02:54, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
:The whole thing that blew it all out of proportion was the fact that there are pages for Master Xehanort, Terra, Xehanort, Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas. And all of them are treated as separate characters. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 02:57, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
I won't press thing about whether Sora's Heartless is a character or a form. I still think he's a character. But the part about Sora being a Heartless throughout KHI to KHII doesn't make sense. I mean he regained his body by having Kairi's light. In this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVhAr5AVZ8g in 1:55 Aqua give some of her light inside Kairi. Maybe that light restored Sora to have a body in KHI to KHII. I think that make sense but the creator didn't even comment about it. So maybe we should wait for the BBS Ultima maybe it will explain things. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 03:06, March 10, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11
:True, we should wait for BBS' Ultimania. But wait ; I thought it should've been out a month after BBS' release ? o.O {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 03:21, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
@cococrash- the thing about personalities is that they can be either or. that's why I consider Sora's heartless to be a personality. Sora isn't any less Sora, he just has alternate personalities, alternate personas, of a sort. Roxas is an aspect of Sora, but he's his own character. Smae of Xion, and Sora's Heartless. thogh, to be fair, I consider Sora's heartless to have appeared only in Coded. No matter what, Sora became a heartless, and ceased to be one when Roxas merged with him. I personally just call that Sora is the dominant persona, and he became a heartless. But that's my belief. I see things as clear cut, but other people don't see those.  They see other stuff that I don't. So, To each his/her own. I will not argue. I just try to provide facts, and let people do with them as they will.
(I'm not trying to rant here, sorry if it comes off that way.) [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 03:33, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
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