Editing Talk:Wisdom Form

{{TNE|time=02:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC)|attntext=There's too much trivia in this article, and one of it seems to be redundant. Problem is, I can't seem to be able to put it anywhere else in the article.

Any suggestions for new sections, people ?}}

{{Gohantalk|time=Whatever|text=If you think about it,all the forms have large amounts of Trivia.}}
{{TNE|time=02:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)|text=I know, but when I checked, for the other forms it's below the threshold of 7. We allow room for one more - a maximum of eight. But if it reaches nine, then we add the Trivia template and ask for the Trivia section to be reduced.

And this one's gone way beyond nine, I'm sure.}}

{{Gohantalk|time=Whatever|text=I just took a count it has 12 pieces of Trivia. That is alot.}}
{{TNE|time=03:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)|blahtext=Indeed. Now, suggestions for new sections ''s’il vous plaît'' ?}}

{{Xion4ever|sad= Umm..the sixth trivia piece (before wisdom form is obtained, merlin tells sora "think wisely"). It could probably be removed..Just a thought though.}}
{{TNE|time=03:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)|text=Or, that could fall under '''Acquisition.''' I played that section yesterday after finishing Timeless River and the "Think wisely!" quote was a cue for me to rejoice over Wisdom Form. Could be coincidence, or it could be because of the form Merlin gives Sora.

Let's see...

'''Acquisition''', what else ?}}

{{Gohantalk|time=Whatever|text=The ninth piece.}}

{{TNE|time=03:18, 23 July 2009 (UTC)|text=Okay, that'd be moved to Hints...}}

{{Xion4ever|sad= Couldn't the 5th one be moved to the introduction paragraph?}}

{{Gohantalk|time=Whatever|text=where did thus come from? GGU NEVER DIES YAYZ FOR OPEN PROXYS!!!!! It was at the bottom.}}

{{TNE|time=03:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)|happytext=@Xion4ever : Nice one. I'll get it moved.   

@Gohanrulez : That was a vandal. I managed to undo another change which was slit right in the middle of the article, no one would look at it at a glance.}}

{{Gohantalk|time=Whatever|text=Ok,so is it ok now?}}

{{TNE|time=03:31, 23 July 2009 (UTC)|text=Yep, but I think HeartofOblivion managed to detect one more page made by the vandal... I told Azul about it already.}}

{{Xion4ever|sad= Also, couldn't the fourth one (this is the only time when Sora's main style is long range) be removed as well? Once again, the introduction paragraph says that he "does not physically attack with the Keyblade, but instead shoots bullets of magic," etc.}}

{{TNE|time=03:33, 23 July 2009 (UTC)|text=Nice. You've really got a sharp eye.}}

{{Gohantalk|time=Whatever|text=I guess.}}

{{Xion4ever|sad= No problem, just doing my part to help the wiki. Thanks.}}

{{Gohantalk|time=Whatever|text=I'm going to check the Trivia for the other forms}}

{{Xion4ever|sad= It's down to nine now..is that low enough?}}

{{TNE|time=03:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)|text=The [[Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Manual of Style|MoS]] says '''seven'''. And since all of us agreed on the MoS while it was revised, we're all sticking to that seven-trivia-bit rule.}}

{{Gohantalk|time=Whatever|text=Could Piece 2 go under Helpful hints?}}

{{Xion4ever|sad= okay. Could the sixth one (advise how wisdom form could be used to beat bosses fairly easy), be moved to "helpful hints?"}}

{{TNE|time=03:48, 23 July 2009 (UTC)|text=Let's see... #6, yes, but #2, no. Because #2 talks about how Sora handles Wisdom Form.}}

== Keyblade increasing in leangth? ==

In trivia snipet #3 it says this, but for all I can tell it dosent change at all. (and quite frankly why would it?) I just wanted to check before changing it because I wasn't sure.[[User:Brago-77|Brago-77]] 15:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

== Missing Picture? ==

{{UE|time=17:34, June 25, 2010 (UTC)|text= This may be something small to note but, shouldn't there be another picture of Sora in Wisdom Form on the left hand side after the first section? I was looking at the other forms to see if those pages were following the same pattern. I noticed that this page wasn't like Valor, Master, and Final.}}

== Is this true? ==

{{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=16:03, July 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=Hey I noticed that the article mentioned that Wisdom form gets MP Hasteja when equipped with Ultima weapon. Is there even such thing as MP Hasteja? Also, the trivia states that Wisdom form holds the keyblade like Ven. I'm pretty sure that's not true. Sora just holds it behind his back. The only difference is he holds it with the teeth of the keyblade down instead of up. I'm gonna delete the trivia part but I think someone should back me up before I delete the MP Hasteja one.}}
:It has MP Hastega.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 23:21, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

== Mechanics and Tips ==

As with Valor Form and Anti Form, farm this for all info on the mechanics of Wisdom Form, put in "Mechanics Section", and clean through the tips to get rewritten and most recommended tips for these. Strike through (<nowiki><s></nowiki>) a line when you use it, or if you find it to be useless.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:21, August 14, 2010 (UTC)


This is the best forms for heavy magic users. Because of the fact that not only the fact that it increases Sora's magic strenght but also has MP Hastega, and since you use Magic bullets as attaks and mobile action as well so hit & run tatics have never been easier to use. So if you need the most out of your magic or just need some medium range attacks use Wisdom Form. 


Donald combines with Sora to represent his magical capabilities, and his potential to use powers other than just his strength.

Sora's Wisdom Form, unlike his [[Valor Form]], relies entirely on magic. This [[Drive Form]] is learned after Sora completes his adventure at the [[Timeless River]], and restores peace to [[Disney Castle]], also after hearing [[Merlin]] say, "Think wisely!" possibly inspiring the name. In order to obtain this form, Sora fuses with [[Donald Duck|Donald]]. While fighting in this form, Sora can use the ability called "Quick Run" to dash rapidly, which occasionally serves as an ability to dodge attacks or travel through areas quickly. In this form, Sora does not physically attack with the Keyblade, but instead shoots bullets of magic that home in on the enemy, making it very difficult for them to dodge. He does not walk either, but slides across the ground instead. Since Wisdom Form specializes in magical attacks, it is the weakest of Sora's Drive Forms in terms of attack power, but its spell casting should not be underestimated. Like [[Valor Form]], Wisdom Form consumes three Drive Bars.


Upgrading Wisdom Form is slightly harder than [[Valor Form]], as Wisdom's level is upgraded by the destruction of a Heartless in order to gain experience. One Heartless defeated in Wisdom Form equals one experience point.

The best place to level up Wisdom Form is within the [[Timeless River#Windows to the Past|Windows to the Past]]. There are many Heartless within each room, and they are all fairly weak. As an added plus, you are very close to the world exit, allowing you to fully refill your Drive Gauge. While the Dark City sections of [[The World That Never Was]] may seem like a good alternative, the enemies there are at a higher level, and take too long to materialize. Using [[Magnega]] will destroy many Heartless at once, allowing you to focus on any stragglers.
By leveling up the Wisdom Form, Sora will develop the ability [[Quick Run]], which allows him to move quickly over a short distance. Sora also gets MP Rage at level four Wisdom Form and MP Haste at level six.

It is recommended not to level up Wisdom Form in the residential area of [[Radiant Garden]], as groups of magic-resistant Heartless reside there.




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'''Pros'''<br />
*Good enhancements in Magic casting.
*Actions can be executed while moving around.
*Long range attacks, bullets slightly home.
*Hard for enemies to hit while moving around.
*Spells can be cast extremely quickly.
*Has the greatest magic haste of any form.
*Magic shot flies straight through frontal defenses, such as those of [[Large Body|Large Bodies]].
*MAX Quick Run is the second fastest movement Sora currently has (the first being using Aerial Dodge LV3 and quickly following with Glide LV3.
*Moving speed is enhanced, almost comparable to Valor Form.

'''Cons'''
*Hit and run tactics are needed when Sora is out of MP. Though with Wisdom's MP Hastega ability, this period is not overly long.
*Attacking is difficult when close up (midair, small enemies close to Sora, such as [[Rapid Thruster]]s).
*Wisdom is firmly planted on the ground; any form of attack will not help it stay in the air long.
*During Quick Run, Sora is vulnerable to attacks.

*As this form only levels when it defeats a Heartless, the best place to level it up is where there are many weak Heartless, close together. For example, the four scenes in Timeless River contain many Heartless that are weak to magic and can quickly be taken down with Thunder or Fire spells, in The World That Never Was there is an abundance of weak Shadows and Neoshadows where you can fight, The Great Maw next to the Crystal Fissure at Hollow Bastion and the door to Disney Castle can be used to immediately refill your Drive Gauge without having to go back to your Gummi Ship. Note to those who play ''Final Mix'': Shadows and Neoshadows are only available in the lower levels of The World That Never Was before saving clear data. Once clear data is saved, the enemies that appear in these areas are Nobodies, and so leveling up of Wisdom Form cannot be done in The World That Never Was.
*Alternatively, just as for [[Valor Form]], Wisdom Form can be leveled up by training in the [[Chasm of Challenges]] in [[Agrabah]]. The key is to defeat all Heartless within the time limit while in Wisdom Form. If your Drive Gauge is higher than 5, you may attempt the trials twice. Either way, once you are done, head to the nearby [[Save Point]], exit and re-enter the world using the same Save Point to replenish your Drive Gauge so that you may continue training.
*When releasing the Blizzard combo finish, it is better to be farther away from your opponent, as the shots begin homing after traveling some distance.
*Adding Ultima Weapon to Wisdom Form seems to only upgrade magic recovery to Hasteja, increasing it to two times (Haste, Hastera, Hastega, Hasteja). Circle of Life does something between 1.75 times and 2 times, and thus, would be a good alternative if you still do not have the Ultima Weapon.
* With its unending long range shots, quickness of casting magic (especially Reflega), and ability to dodge away at a high speed, Wisdom Form can be used to defeat some bosses cheaply.
* Also, you can level up quickly through Radiant Garden by starting at Merlin's House, and fighting to the start of the part, to the great maw. Make sure to stop by the restoration site because the [[Armored Knight]] give easy experience points. If your gauge stays at max most of the time, you should be able to rack up at least 70-80 kills.
* A good place to level up this form is [[Space Paranoids]], on the Solar Sailer.

*Wisdom Form is the only form with only one combo finisher.

http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/index.php?title=Wisdom_Form&curid=2237&diff=387880&oldid=372027

Because Wisdom Form only gains experience from Heartless, one of the best places to level it up is in the World that Never Was, in the Dark City, because of the large amount of Shadows that appear there.
Another way is to go to Hollow Bastion. Due to all the save points, you can defeat large amounts of Heartless, then before you revert back to normal, go to a save point, and go to world map. Return back and repeat this until you level up.

Wisdom Form is unlocked after completing Timeless River. Wisdom Form gains experience for every Heartless defeated. In Wisdom Form, Sora specialises in magic, with all of his spells becoming stronger. In Wisdom Form, the Attack Command changes from 'Attack' to 'Shoot'. This enables Sora to target enemies, and fire shoots at them from great distances. The strength of the shot, is based on Sora's Magic Value. The Growth Ability for Wisdom Form is Quick Run, which is helpful for dodging enemy attacks, or just moving around quickly. In Wisdom Form, Sora glides along the ground and moves 40% faster, the maximum ground combo is increased by 1, but Sora can not perform midair combo's. However Sora can use magic and items while moving.
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 {{Xion4ever|sad= It's down to nine now..is that low enough?}}
-{{TNE|time=03:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)|text=The [[KHWiki:Manual of Style|MoS]] says '''seven'''. And since all of us agreed on the MoS while it was revised, we're all sticking to that seven-trivia-bit rule.}}
+{{TNE|time=03:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)|text=The [[Kingdom Hearts Wiki:Manual of Style|MoS]] says '''seven'''. And since all of us agreed on the MoS while it was revised, we're all sticking to that seven-trivia-bit rule.}}
 {{Gohantalk|time=Whatever|text=Could Piece 2 go under Helpful hints?}}
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 As with Valor Form and Anti Form, farm this for all info on the mechanics of Wisdom Form, put in "Mechanics Section", and clean through the tips to get rewritten and most recommended tips for these. Strike through (<nowiki><s></nowiki>) a line when you use it, or if you find it to be useless.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:21, August 14, 2010 (UTC)
-When Sora enters Wisdom Form, the 'Attack' command becomes 'Shoot'. When choosing this command, Sora shoots magical bullets that have limited homing properties, and work similarly as [[Fire]] does in [[Kingdom Hearts (game)|Kingdom Hearts]]. Sora also begins gliding on the ground rather than walking.
-*Wisdom Form is useful for magic lovers who have yet to get Master Form or Final Form. Master Form is equal in magical prowress to Wisdom, and Final surpasses it.
 This is the best forms for heavy magic users. Because of the fact that not only the fact that it increases Sora's magic strenght but also has MP Hastega, and since you use Magic bullets as attaks and mobile action as well so hit & run tatics have never been easier to use. So if you need the most out of your magic or just need some medium range attacks use Wisdom Form.
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 Wisdom Form is unlocked after completing Timeless River. Wisdom Form gains experience for every Heartless defeated. In Wisdom Form, Sora specialises in magic, with all of his spells becoming stronger. In Wisdom Form, the Attack Command changes from 'Attack' to 'Shoot'. This enables Sora to target enemies, and fire shoots at them from great distances. The strength of the shot, is based on Sora's Magic Value. The Growth Ability for Wisdom Form is Quick Run, which is helpful for dodging enemy attacks, or just moving around quickly. In Wisdom Form, Sora glides along the ground and moves 40% faster, the maximum ground combo is increased by 1, but Sora can not perform midair combo's. However Sora can use magic and items while moving.
-Wisdom Form becomes nearly worthless after getting Ultima Weapon and Final Form, as these two combined are stronger both magically and physically than Wisdom.
-{{LightRoxas|young=I don't get it, I keep adding info to this article, but it keeps getting deleted and put here. Am I doing something wrong, or what?}}
-==Magic Mechanics==
-In this form, aside changing from attacking to shooting, Sora performs his magics differently with exception of [[Cure]] magic:
-*'''[[Fire]]''' - Sora can use this magic while moving thanks to Mobile Action ability, as the result, Sora can ram himself to the enemies without waiting them to come closer.
-*'''[[Blizzard]]''' - Sora can use the magic while moving, the finisher is different due of Magic Spice ability, Sora will shoot five directional ice blocks that home to the targeted enemy.
-*'''[[Thunder]]''' - Sora can use the magic while moving, as for the finisher Sora will cast multiple thunders to the enemies.
-*'''[[Reflect]]''' - Sora can use the magic while moving, also Sora can perform the magic faster than usual.
-*'''[[Magnet]]''' - The magnet orb will deal multiple hits to the sucked enemies.
-::This is all [[Magic Spice]] stuff. It might be relevant to give a short overview of how these can be used while in Wisdom Form (like one sentence, tops), but this passage should not be on the Wisdom Form page.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 14:53, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
-Should be mentioned on individual Magic pages as well, in my opinion.  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 00:05, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
-== Enemies (incl. Final Form) ==
-*Shenzi, Banzai, Ed<sup>Requires hacking, no access to Wisdom Form</sup>
-*Scar<sup>Requires hacking, no access to Wisdom Form</sup>
-*Scar's Ghost<sup>Requires hacking, no access to Wisdom Form</sup>
-*Lock, Shock, Barrel
-*Oogie Boogie
-*<s>Experiment</s>: Yes Wisdom (via anon, please check)
-*Beast<sup>Requires hacking, pre-wisdom form</sup>
-*Captain Barbossa
-*Captain Pete<sup>Requires hacking,pre-Wisdom Form</sup>
-*Pete
-*Cerberus<sup>Requires hacking, no Donald/Goofy, pre-wisdom form</sup>
-*Hydra<sup>Requires hacking,pre-Wisdom Form</sup>
-*Hades
-*Shan-Yu,<sup>Requires hacking, pre-wisdom form</sup>Hayabusa<sup>Requires hacking, pre-wisdom form</sup>
-*Ursula, Flotsam, Jetsam<sup>Requires hacking, no access to Wisdom Form</sup>
-*<s>Hostile Program</s>: No Wisdom (via anon and Chain)
-*Sark
-*MCP<sup>Requires hacking, requires Tron for kill</sup>
-*Jafar's Shadow<sup>Requires hacking, no Donald/Goofy</sup>
-*Jafar (Genie)<sup>Requires hacking, no Donald/Goofy</sup>
-*Honey Bee
-*Hayner<sup>Requires hacking, no Donald/Goofy</sup>
-*Seifer<sup>Requires hacking, no Donald/Goofy</sup>
-*Setzer<sup>Requires hacking, no Donald/Goofy</sup>
-*Sephiroth<sup>Requires hacking, no Donald/Goofy</sup>
-*Leon<sup>Requires hacking, durings cups the game don't give EXP</sup>
-*Tifa<sup>Requires hacking, durings cups the game don't give EXP</sup>
-*Yuffie<sup>Requires hacking, durings cups the game don't give EXP</sup>
-*Cloud<sup>Requires hacking, durings cups the game don't give EXP</sup>
-*Vivi<sup>Requires hacking, pre-wisdom form</sup>
-*Fake Vivi<sup>Requires hacking, pre-wisdom form</sup>
-*Shadow Roxas<sup>Requires hacking, pre-wisdom form</sup>
-*Absent Silhouettes (and if so, Larxene's clone, Vexen's antisoras, Zexion's books)
-*Replica Data <sup>Xemnas, Final Xemnas, Axel, Roxas require hacking, no Donald/Goofy</sup>
-*Riku-Ansem<sup>Requires hacking, no Donald/Goofy and pre-wisdom form</sup>
-*Lingering Will
-*Xemnas Gummi Bombs,<sup>Requires hacking, cannot access menu</sup> Gummi Speeders<sup>Requires hacking, cannot access menu</sup>
-*Xemnas Dragon (and if so, which components/forms)<sup>Requires hacking, cannot access menu</sup>
-:Some of them are impossible to do with fusions... so... how you will check them? And why there is Ursula, Flotsam and Jetsam there? Ursula is a "mini-game" boss, even with hacks I think is impossible to check her--[[Special:Contributions/170.244.153.233|170.244.153.233]] 21:44, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
-::Guys, I killed Data Replica Larxen with Final Form right now, and I can confirm she give EXP for the Final Form, so, she is a Nobody (and probably all the others Data Replica do the same)--[[Special:Contributions/170.244.153.233|170.244.153.233]] 18:13, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
-:::They're on there just in case.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
-::::The anon reminded us that you can confirm whether something is a heartless or not by dying to it. That would still leave it unconfirmed whether it is nobody or neutral, but should help clear up a bit of this list.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:13, 12 October 2018 (UTC)